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Farmers sue fed for right to grow hemp.
    #7535163 - 10/19/07 12:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/10/17/pip.hempregulation/index.html

The feds call industrial hemp a controlled substance -- the same as pot, heroin, LSD -- but advocates say a sober analysis reveals a harmless, renewable cash crop with thousands of applications that are good for the environment.

Two North Dakota farmers are taking that argument to federal court, where a November 14 hearing is scheduled in a lawsuit to determine if the Drug Enforcement Administration is stifling the farmers' efforts to grow industrial hemp. The DEA says it's merely enforcing the law.

Marijuana and industrial hemp are members of the Cannabis sativa L. species and have similar characteristics. One major difference: Hemp won't get you high. Hemp contains only traces of delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol, or THC, the compound that gets pot smokers stoned. However, the Controlled Substances Act makes little distinction, banning the species almost outright.

The February 1938 issue of Popular Mechanics magazine heralded hemp as the "new billion-dollar crop," saying it had 25,000 uses. Today, it is a base element for textiles, paper, construction materials, car parts, food and body care products.


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Re: Farmers sue fed for right to grow hemp. [Re: afoaf]
    #7535202 - 10/19/07 12:21 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Why not post the whole article?

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The feds call industrial hemp a controlled substance -- the same as pot, heroin, LSD -- but advocates say a sober analysis reveals a harmless, renewable cash crop with thousands of applications that are good for the environment.

Two North Dakota farmers are taking that argument to federal court, where a November 14 hearing is scheduled in a lawsuit to determine if the Drug Enforcement Administration is stifling the farmers' efforts to grow industrial hemp. The DEA says it's merely enforcing the law.

Marijuana and industrial hemp are members of the Cannabis sativa L. species and have similar characteristics. One major difference: Hemp won't get you high. Hemp contains only traces of delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol, or THC, the compound that gets pot smokers stoned. However, the Controlled Substances Act makes little distinction, banning the species almost outright.

Marijuana, which has only recreational and limited medical uses, is the shiftless counterpart to the go-getter hemp, which has a centuries-old history of handiness.

The February 1938 issue of Popular Mechanics magazine heralded hemp as the "new billion-dollar crop," saying it had 25,000 uses. Today, it is a base element for textiles, paper, construction materials, car parts, food and body care products.

It's not a panacea for health and environmental problems, advocates concede, but it's not the menace the Controlled Substances Act makes it out to be. Video Watch why a North Dakota official thinks the U.S. should be in the hemp business »

"This is actually an anti-drug. It's a healthy food," explained Adam Eidinger of the Washington advocacy group Vote Hemp. "We're not using this as a statement to end the drug war."

Rather, Eidinger said, Vote Hemp wants to vindicate a plant that has been falsely accused because of its mischievous cousin.

North Dakota farmers Wayne Hauge and Dave Monson say comparing industrial hemp to marijuana is like comparing pop guns and M-16s. They've successfully petitioned the state Legislature -- of which Monson is a member -- to authorize the farming of industrial hemp.

They've applied for federal permits and submitted a collective $5,733 in nonrefundable fees, to no avail, so they're suing the DEA.

North Dakota is one of seven states to OK hemp production or research. California would have made eight until Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger last week vetoed the California Industrial Hemp Farming Act, citing the burden on law enforcement which would have to inspect hemp fields to make sure they were marijuana-free.

Administration skeptical of initiatives


The DEA claims the farmers' lawsuit is misguided because the agency is obligated to enforce the Controlled Substances Act.

"Hemp comes from cannabis. It's kind of a Catch 22 there," said DEA spokesman Michael Sanders. "Until Congress does something, we have to enforce the laws." The difference between marijuana, industrial hemp »

Asked if the DEA opposes the stalled House Resolution 1009, which would nix industrial hemp from the definition of marijuana, Sanders said the Justice Department and President Bush would make that call.

"When it comes to laws, we don't have a dog in that fight," he said.

The Justice Department has no position yet on the resolution, said spokesman Erik Ablin. The White House Office of National Drug Control Policy, however, is skeptical because of the burden hemp would place on law enforcement resources. Also, hemp advocates are regularly backed -- sometimes surreptitiously -- by the pro-marijuana movement, the office alleges.

"ONDCP cautions that, historically, the hemp movement has been almost entirely funded by the well-organized and well-funded marijuana legalization lobby," said spokesman Tom Riley. "All we do is ask people not to be naive about what's really going on here."

Often, the hemp movement -- like hemp legislation -- is inextricably tied to marijuana. Pot advocates like actor Woody Harrelson and activist Jack Herer have double or ulterior agendas when they expound the virtues of hemp.

Not so with Monson, 57. The assistant GOP leader in the state House, who returned to the family farm where he was reared in 1975, said he became interested in hemp in 1993 when scab, or Fusarium head blight, devastated his wheat and barley crops.

What Is It Good For?


Hemp's handiness can be traced back hundreds of years. Here are a few examples of its myriad applications:

• Paper -- The plant's long, strong fibers make it an alternative to timber for paper. The Declaration of Independence and first Gutenberg Bibles were drafted on hemp.
• Construction -- Hemp's woody core makes a good source of boards for construction materials.
• Auto parts -- The plant's fiber can be crafted into a composite that is used for interior automobile parts typically made of fiberglass or other materials.
• Textiles -- For centuries, hemp fibers have been used for fabrics, both fine and coarse.
• Body and health care products -- Oil from the seeds is used in lotions, balms and cosmetics.
• Food -- The seeds and oil are high in protein and essential fatty acids and are used in a variety of edibles.
• Ethanol -- Though the technology is embryonic at best, hemp's high cellulose content makes it a good candidate for biofuel production.

Source: Vote Hemp, Hemp Industries Association

Monson grows canola, too, but wants another crop in his rotation. Soybeans are too finicky for the weather and rocky soil. Monson also tried pinto beans, fava beans and buckwheat with no luck.

"None of them seemed to really be a surefire thing," he said. "We were looking for anything that was potentially able to make us some money."

Hemp, said the lifelong farmer, seemed an apt fit. It likes the climate, its deep roots irrigate soil, it doesn't need herbicides because it grows tall quickly and it breaks the disease cycles in other crops, Monson said.

States follow Canada's lead

About 20 miles north of Monson's Osnabrock farm lies the Canadian border, the hemp dividing line. Just over the border in Manitoba, farmers have been reaping the benefits of hemp since 1998, when Health Canada reversed a longtime ban.

In a Vote Hemp video, Shaun Crew, president of Hemp Oil Canada Inc., a processing company in Sainte-Agathe, praised Canada's foresight in differentiating between hemp and marijuana.

While marijuana THC levels can range between 3 and 20 percent, Canada demands its hemp contain no more than 0.3 percent. In some hemp, the THC levels can sink as low as one part per million, Crew said.

"There's probably more arsenic in your red wine, there's more mercury in your water and there's definitely more opiates in the poppy seed bagel you ate this morning," Crew said on the video.

The North Dakota Legislature is convinced, as are the general assemblies in Hawaii, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, Montana and West Virginia.

With his state's blessing, North Dakota Agriculture Commissioner Roger Johnson is backing the farmers and has proposed modeling North Dakota's hemp laws after Canada's strict regulations.

"We weren't just going to tell the DEA to take a hike," Johnson said. "We're serious about this, and we want to do it in concert with the DEA."

In a March 27 letter to Johnson, Joseph Rannazzisi of the DEA's Office of Diversion Control, said the permits were denied because the state hadn't satisfied the agency's security and logistical requirements.

Security aspects require careful evaluation because "the substance at issue is marijuana -- the most widely abused controlled substance in the United States," Rannazzisi wrote.

Hemp wasn't always banned in the U.S. Jamestown Colony required farmers to grow it in 1619. Even after Congress cracked down on marijuana in 1937, farmers were encouraged to grow the crop for rope, sails and parachutes during World War II's "Hemp for Victory" campaign.

Jake Graves, 81, heeded the call. Graves, whose father grew hemp in both world wars and whose grandfather grew it during the Civil War, was a teen when his father died in 1942. At the time, Graves' family was growing hemp for the Army.

The Graveses continued growing hemp on their 500-acre Kentucky farm until 1945, when the market dried up after the advent of synthetic fabrics and the post-war reinvigoration of international trade.

But Graves stands by the crop and its versatility and says that by lumping hemp in with marijuana, lawmakers "threw the baby out with the wash."

"We've been terribly brainwashed as a society," Graves said. "Man didn't use it for all those hundreds and hundreds of years without knowing what they were doing."

In the U.S., tapping hemp's versatility relies on imports. The DEA clamped down on most hemp imports in 1999 and 2001, but relented after a Canadian company sued, saying the ban violated its rights under the North American Free Trade Agreement.

Though advocates considered it a victory, Johnson said hemp won't be fully utilized until it can be grown and researched stateside.

"For us to grow it isn't enough. You have to build that infrastructure," Johnson said. "None of those uses is really going to develop to any great degree until we're able to grow this commodity."
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Johnson said the farmers' Vote Hemp-funded lawsuit has no hidden agenda. It's aimed solely at allowing farmers to grow hemp -- without going to jail because federal law says hemp and marijuana are the same.

"I've got a state Legislature saying they aren't and the entire world saying they aren't. This is about a crop that is a legitimate crop every place else in the world," Johnson said. "It's not a crusade thing. It's a crop. Let farmers grow it. We don't want anyone to be growing drugs."




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Re: Farmers sue fed for right to grow hemp. [Re: afoaf]
    #7535205 - 10/19/07 12:23 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Technically, in this menage a trois of the branches of government, the legislative passes laws and the executive takes the money given to them to accomplish this task. The judicial is not your 5th grade algebra teacher or your 9th grade english teacher, they are not there to look for math errors or correct spelling or correct an unscientific viewpoint in a law.


In the Raich case, the court said the law defined Cannabis as a container of a drug (THC) had no medical value.

The Court finds issues with laws in our society that break the higher laws, the constitutions of states and of the nation.

If someone can find a clause in the Constitution that says, "Marijuana has medical value, and hemp has none", that would be fucking GREAT.

But until that happens, all this case is, is HYPE.


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Re: Farmers sue fed for right to grow hemp. [Re: afoaf]
    #7535761 - 10/19/07 02:29 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

This issue has always been asinine to me. Hemp is cheaper to grow, crops can be rotated more quickly and makes an even STRONGER grade of cotton and paper, and we can produce it right here, and export it for trade as well.

The logging industry is lobbying to keep hemp out of the competition. Not sure what sort of research it would take to find out who's pockets are being lined to keep industrial grade hemp illegal here.

Ron Paul introduced a bill last February that would allow Americans to grow hemp. It apperars some North Dakota farmers have a permit from the DEA to grow it.


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Re: Farmers sue fed for right to grow hemp. [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #7535776 - 10/19/07 02:33 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Hemp for victory!

Also if they were so concerned with lessening the amount of marijuana being grown, as they claim - massive hemp fields is the obvious choice. It is a well known fact that hemp plants can pollinate and ruin quality outdoor marijuana from even hundreds of miles away.


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Re: Farmers sue fed for right to grow hemp. [Re: Shroomism]
    #7536961 - 10/19/07 07:58 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Ethanol from hemp cellulose isn't as far away as it seems...


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Re: Farmers sue fed for right to grow hemp. [Re: Chesh]
    #7537118 - 10/19/07 08:34 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

it also will not likely be more than a niche solution to a very large problem.


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Re: Farmers sue fed for right to grow hemp. [Re: YidakiMan]
    #7539381 - 10/20/07 01:46 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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YidakiMan said:
Technically, in this menage a trois of the branches of government, the legislative passes laws and the executive takes the money given to them to accomplish this task. The judicial is not your 5th grade algebra teacher or your 9th grade english teacher, they are not there to look for math errors or correct spelling or correct an unscientific viewpoint in a law.


In the Raich case, the court said the law defined Cannabis as a container of a drug (THC) had no medical value.

The Court finds issues with laws in our society that break the higher laws, the constitutions of states and of the nation.

If someone can find a clause in the Constitution that says, "Marijuana has medical value, and hemp has none", that would be fucking GREAT.

But until that happens, all this case is, is HYPE.




Raich did not turn on whether marijuana had medical value, nor whether it was scientifically sound or whatever.
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the fact that marijuana is used “for personal medical purposes on the advice of a physician” cannot itself serve as a distinguishing factor. 352 F.3d, at 1229... Indeed, most of the substances classified in the CSA “have a useful and legitimate medical purpose.” 21 U.S.C. § 801(1). Thus, even if respondents are correct that marijuana does have accepted medical uses and thus should be redesignated as a lesser schedule drug,37 the CSA would still impose controls beyond what is required by California law.... Accordingly, the mere fact that marijuana–like virtually every other controlled substance regulated by the CSA–is used for medicinal purposes cannot possibly serve to distinguish it from the core activities regulated by the CSA.




The raich case was about whether congress had jurisdiction plain and simple. Under long standing (but clearly wrong, imo) precedent, it was decided they did.

Moreover, it is not the court's role to correct unscientific laws. How much evidence is their that any law is effective? Really their is hardly any. Some, like injection needle sales restrictions, have been proven to have a negative effect, yet the law stands, as the judiciary doesn't correct wrongheaded laws.

Your post seems to express a lack of understanding.

Also, as I posted in another forum, the DEA's position is contradicted by its conduct:

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Asked if the DEA opposes the stalled House Resolution 1009, which would nix industrial hemp from the definition of marijuana, Sanders said the Justice Department and President Bush would make that call.

"When it comes to laws, we don't have a dog in that fight," he said.

The Justice Department has no position yet on the resolution, said spokesman Erik Ablin.




That's interesting. The DEA comes off as impartial in this news article, but every chance they get they support continued prosecution of users. I don't know how they can say they are just inforcing the law, and have no "dog in the fight" when the following is contained on their website:


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The campaign to legitimize what is called "medical" marijuana is based on two propositions: that science views marijuana as medicine, and that DEA targets sick and dying people using the drug. Neither proposition is true....
Legalization of marijuana, no matter how it begins, will come at the expense of our children and public safety. It will create dependency and treatment issues, and open the door to use of other drugs, impaired health, delinquent behavior, and drugged drivers.




http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/marijuana_position.html


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Re: Farmers sue fed for right to grow hemp. [Re: johnm214]
    #7541869 - 10/21/07 08:33 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Is it a FEDERAL law that makes hemp illegal to grow? I've got a he,p necklace someone made for me once...

If it's illegal to grow then where did it come from? Canada?


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Re: Farmers sue fed for right to grow hemp. [Re: BrAiN]
    #7546163 - 10/22/07 09:41 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

well under the controlled substance act, any growing cannabis sativa is marijuana, even if it has no thc. The mature and processed parts of the plant are treated sepperatly though (interestingly with no requirment for max thc level).

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(16) The term ''marihuana'' means all parts of the plant Cannabis sativa L., whether growing or not; the seeds thereof; the resin extracted from any part of such plant; and every compound, manufacture, salt, derivative, mixture, or preparation of such plant, its seeds or resin. Such term does not include the mature stalks of such plant, fiber produced from such stalks, oil or cake made from the seeds of such plant, any other compound, manufacture, salt, derivative, mixture, or preparation of such mature stalks (except the resin extracted therefrom), fiber, oil, or cake, or the sterilized seed of such plant which is incapable of germination.




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Re: Farmers sue fed for right to grow hemp. [Re: johnm214]
    #7546247 - 10/22/07 10:16 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

So that means the hemp in my necklace probably was grown somewhere else like Mexico or Canada and then imported?


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Re: Farmers sue fed for right to grow hemp. [Re: BrAiN]
    #7546370 - 10/22/07 11:02 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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So that means the hemp in my necklace probably was grown somewhere else like Mexico or Canada and then imported?




The hemp twine I bought at Walmart for making necklaces says it's a product of Hungary.


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    #7546431 - 10/22/07 11:22 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I'm Hungary for some Hemp

nyuk nyuk nyuk... waka waka waka

Get it? Get it?

(taps his mic)

Is this thing on?

whew.. tough crowd.


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Re: Farmers sue fed for right to grow hemp. [Re: BrAiN]
    #7548231 - 10/22/07 06:35 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Well I know you theoretically can grow marijuana in the US (for hemp or whathaveyou) but I'm not aware of anyone being allowed to do so for hemp on any sort of scale- but maybe someone has the permits.

anyways the usdoa has information on the role of hemp and regulations surrounding its use in the us

http://www.ers.usda.gov/Publications/AGES001e/


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