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    #7534730 - 10/19/07 10:08 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

so whos ready to get fucked up by russia, china, and iran?

bush is preparing to get into yet another war before finishing his first 2 wars of lies...


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Re: ww3 [Re: fake estate]
    #7534882 - 10/19/07 10:56 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Are you kidding?


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Re: ww3 [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7535086 - 10/19/07 11:52 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

China's economy would crumble without ours


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Re: ww3 [Re: BrAiN]
    #7535998 - 10/19/07 03:34 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7116

the people didnt want to be involved in ww1 until we sent a cruiseliner full of americans into german occupied waters and had it blown up..

we didnt want in ww2 until we provoked the japense to attack pearl harbor and ignored warnings of a fleet headed toward hawaii from australi

and we dont want in a ww3..until they fake another terrorist attack and blame in on iran this time

its all about the money people...wars give the elite more money while our dumb asses are killed off left and right, yet none of us give a fuck and refuse to believe it till its too late


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Re: ww3 [Re: BrAiN]
    #7536008 - 10/19/07 03:36 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

not to say they wouldn't feel the pinch, but with europe and asia, China has plenty of people to peddle their wares to.


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Re: ww3 [Re: fake estate]
    #7536011 - 10/19/07 03:36 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

So why don't you invest in warmonger companies? You too can be a war profiteer. Oh yeah, and vote Rethugnican too. I'll see you at the club.


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Re: ww3 [Re: fake estate]
    #7536106 - 10/19/07 04:01 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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fake estate said:
so whos ready to get fucked up by russia, china, and iran?

bush is preparing to get into yet another war before finishing his first 2 wars of lies...




:confused:

I'm not sure what your angle here is, but I've heard bush preaching diplomacy towards all these countries (despite the occasional barb- but I don't think the man can help himself).

Besides, in the case of Iran, I do think there is a legitimate security risk justifying military action if the disarmament plans fail.  What would you have us do w/ a regime such as theirs who is developing missles and nuclear warheads capable of attacking us, our allies, and being funnled to groups willing to undertake hail mary suicide attacks which could signifigantly destabalize our country.


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Re: ww3 [Re: fake estate]
    #7536139 - 10/19/07 04:09 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7116

the people didnt want to be involved in ww1 until we sent a cruiseliner full of americans into german occupied waters and had it blown up..

we didnt want in ww2 until we provoked the japense to attack pearl harbor and ignored warnings of a fleet headed toward hawaii from australi

and we dont want in a ww3..until they fake another terrorist attack and blame in on iran this time

its all about the money people...wars give the elite more money while our dumb asses are killed off left and right, yet none of us give a fuck and refuse to believe it till its too late




on the ball.


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Re: ww3 [Re: johnm214]
    #7536160 - 10/19/07 04:16 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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fake estate said:
so whos ready to get fucked up by russia, china, and iran?

bush is preparing to get into yet another war before finishing his first 2 wars of lies...




:confused:

I'm not sure what your angle here is, but I've heard bush preaching diplomacy towards all these countries (despite the occasional barb- but I don't think the man can help himself).

Besides, in the case of Iran, I do think there is a legitimate security risk justifying military action if the disarmament plans fail.  What would you have us do w/ a regime such as theirs who is developing missles and nuclear warheads capable of attacking us, our allies, and being funnled to groups willing to undertake hail mary suicide attacks which could signifigantly destabalize our country.




my personal view is if one country has nukes then ever body should be able to have them, or prefarably no-body. iran would never have the capability to defeat america, israel, uk. its partially bully tactics you dont want somebody whos not in your control to have nukes because once they have them other country might have to take them seriously.

but i agree with another poster, alot of it will be "major theator wars" dont believe the propoganda, we have attacked alot more countrys than iran.
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"The PNAC program, in a nutshell: America’s military must rule out even the possibility of a serious global or regional challenger anywhere in the world. The regime of Saddam Hussein must be toppled immediately, by U.S. force if necessary. And the entire Middle East must be reordered according to an American plan. PNAC’s most important study notes that selling this plan to the American people will likely take a long time, "absent some catastrophic catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor." (PNAC, Rebuilding America’s Defenses (1997), p.51)"
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20040527220940331





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Re: ww3 [Re: johnm214]
    #7536819 - 10/19/07 07:11 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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johnm214 said:
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fake estate said:
so whos ready to get fucked up by russia, china, and iran?

bush is preparing to get into yet another war before finishing his first 2 wars of lies...




:confused:

I'm not sure what your angle here is, but I've heard bush preaching diplomacy towards all these countries (despite the occasional barb- but I don't think the man can help himself).

Besides, in the case of Iran, I do think there is a legitimate security risk justifying military action if the disarmament plans fail.  What would you have us do w/ a regime such as theirs who is developing missles and nuclear warheads capable of attacking us, our allies, and being funnled to groups willing to undertake hail mary suicide attacks which could signifigantly destabalize our country.




iran isnt even looking to make fucking weapons they are trying to create energy, which russia is nice enough to be helping them with...if they wanted a god damned nuke putin could just fucking hand one over...

the matter of the fact is crazy bush is willing to set a pre emptive nuclear strike against someone "threatening the use of a nuclear weapon"...were the ones who shouldnt have the fucking technology, were the ones in the wrong..we need to get the cheney regime out and fucking 'get rid of' bush...


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Re: ww3 [Re: fake estate]
    #7537003 - 10/19/07 08:10 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I also find it funny that we are worried about a nation that **might** get a nuclear bomb. In the cold war, the Soviets had thousands of nuclear bombs, yet they didnt do shit. Also, china, pakistan, india, israel all have nuclear weapons. They aren't using them on anyone. And last time I checked, the USA was the only country to use them on another.

Also I dont think Iran (or any other nation) is stupid enough to fuck w/ the US. Even if Iran got 1 nuclear bomb, they wouldn't fuck w/ us, b/c we would retaliate and completely wipe them off the face of the earth. I think Iran just wants one, b/c their neighbors has some.

And here is a link that shows some nations w/ nuclear bombs:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons


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Re: ww3 [Re: fake estate]
    #7537230 - 10/19/07 08:54 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20060301faessay85204/keir-a-lieber-daryl-g-press/the-rise-of-u-s-nuclear-primacy.html

the authours of this link are nuts if you ask me...OTOH..someone on the far right that doesnt think their nuts..such as king george the decider..might read that shit and conclude that now would be a good time to start WW III...


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Re: ww3 [Re: afoaf]
    #7538448 - 10/20/07 07:48 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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not to say they wouldn't feel the pinch, but with europe and asia, China has plenty of people to peddle their wares to.





You think Europe would just sit there if we got in a war? the UK would come to help us.. and probably France now given the new president... lord knows how many other tiny countries


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Re: ww3 [Re: BrAiN]
    #7538759 - 10/20/07 10:11 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I was replying to your statement:

"China's economy would crumble without ours."

I disagree.


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Re: ww3 [Re: ElectricJW]
    #7538823 - 10/20/07 10:33 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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I also find it funny that we are worried about a nation that **might** get a nuclear bomb. In the cold war, the Soviets had thousands of nuclear bombs, yet they didnt do shit. Also, china, pakistan, india, israel all have nuclear weapons. They aren't using them on anyone. And last time I checked, the USA was the only country to use them on another.

Also I dont think Iran (or any other nation) is stupid enough to fuck w/ the US. Even if Iran got 1 nuclear bomb, they wouldn't fuck w/ us, b/c we would retaliate and completely wipe them off the face of the earth. I think Iran just wants one, b/c their neighbors has some.

And here is a link that shows some nations w/ nuclear bombs:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons




the soviets had an excellent incentive not to mess w/ us, and vice versa. But what happens when a holocaust-denying fruitcake gets them? Any reason for them to not spread the tech. on to other cracckpots, which he allready financially supports?

Just cuz others have nucs doesn't mean it is in our best interest to let others have em.


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Re: ww3 [Re: johnm214]
    #7541819 - 10/21/07 08:10 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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the soviets had an excellent incentive not to mess w/ us, and vice versa. But what happens when a holocaust-denying fruitcake gets them? Any reason for them to not spread the tech. on to other cracckpots, which he allready financially supports?

Just cuz others have nucs doesn't mean it is in our best interest to let others have em.




so because we are the "goodies" and other people who we want to control, the "badies" anyone who thinks about makeing nuke reactors for energy we should attack/bomb?.

lets see what the people in power now said in 2000. in the Project for the New American Century they wrote - "The report builds upon the 1992 draft document "Defense Planning Guidance," which claimed that the U.S. must "discourage advanced industrial nations from challenging our leadership or even aspiring to a larger regional or global role" they also say - "Increasing military pressure on China: "it is time to increase the presence of American forces in southeast Asia" which will lead to "American and allied power providing the spur to the process of democratisation in China" and not to mention - " The U.S. must "fight and decisively win multiple, simultaneous major theatre wars" as a "core mission". so lets see who this project for a new american century was produced for - "The group's core ideas are expressed in a September 2000 report produced for Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Jeb Bush, and Lewis Libby entitled Rebuilding America's Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources For a New Century. The Sunday Herald referred to the report as a "blueprint for U.S. world domination." http://home.earthlink.net/~platter/neo-conservatism/pnac.html

so what im saying is its massively contradictory to call some other nations "terrorists" when if you look at our track record (u.s) you will see that in the past 100 years we have either tryed to over throw or attack over 50 nations. maybe we point the others out as behing terrorists when the reason the u.s is only doing that is too spread propoganda so we can go in all guns blazeing, and take over yet another country.

i mean its "genius" the way they want to keep us safe, because that way is wipe out anyone who might slightly become more powerful/self reliant.


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Re: ww3 [Re: peter19]
    #7542137 - 10/21/07 10:25 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Linkee no workee. So, I'll do you a favor and link the actual New American Century website, which is now inactive but a useful archive of what they actually did espouse in it's complete form. Earthlink? Who knows.
http://www.newamericancentury.org/

Let's see, hmmmmm, one of the world's largest producers of crude oil NEEDS nuclear power for electricity. Meanwhile, they have to ration gasoline because they can't build refineries. But there's billions to build reactors. And mine uranium, which they are not exactly awash in. Electricity my ass. I'm not that stupid.


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Re: ww3 [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7544140 - 10/21/07 07:15 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

world war 3 isn't going to happen. period. end of story.


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Re: ww3 [Re: fake estate]
    #7544502 - 10/21/07 08:32 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I predict a massive world conflict in 15-20 years. It is NOT going to happen tommorro, next week, next month, or even next year.


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Re: ww3 [Re: fake estate]
    #7553204 - 10/23/07 10:49 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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iran isnt even looking to make fucking weapons they are trying to create energy, which russia is nice enough to be helping them with...if they wanted a god damned nuke putin could just fucking hand one over...





My major concern in this whole "debate" is that the issue is a false one. Like fake estate said, its about energy.

Iran can't burn their own oil. They need to sell it, its their only cash cow. If they are going to power infrastructure, they need a reliable and long lasting power source. And unlike us, they have made the right power choice in wanting to go nuclear.

Somehow this issue is never brought up. Conservatives (and the weak willed libs) have pushed this issue off the table. So we're left to either say that we should use diplomacy to disarm the unarmed or we should be using bombs to disarm the unarmed.

So choose fake option A or fake option B.


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Re: ww3 [Re: johnm214]
    #7553318 - 10/23/07 11:43 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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the soviets had an excellent incentive not to mess w/ us, and vice versa. But what happens when a holocaust-denying fruitcake gets them?



Ahmadinejad is not a holocaust denier, please get your facts straight.



I'm not to interested in the topic of ww3, as it's already history. Don't you all remember?: Bush referred to the wars in Iraq and Afgahnistan as ww3 a long time ago, in attempts to recruit allies with hype.

Now again, Bush warns of ww3. He seems pretty eager to get this thing started, so why does he try to point the finger at Iran?

Are there any empty-headed dupes out there who've actually bought the line that Iran is pursuing a nuke? If there are, I say to them: you're the blight of the world.


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Re: ww3 [Re: Disco Cat]
    #7555439 - 10/24/07 03:20 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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johnm214 said:
the soviets had an excellent incentive not to mess w/ us, and vice versa. But what happens when a holocaust-denying fruitcake gets them?



Ahmadinejad is not a holocaust denier, please get your facts straight.




http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/12/14/iran.israel/

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"They have invented a myth that Jews were massacred and place this above God, religions and the prophets," Ahmadinejad said in a speech to thousands of people in the Iranian city of Zahedan, according to a report on Wednesday from Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting.




I doubt he was misquoted.
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I'm not to interested in the topic of ww3, as it's already history. Don't you all remember?: Bush referred to the wars in Iraq and Afgahnistan as ww3 a long time ago, in attempts to recruit allies with hype.

Now again, Bush warns of ww3. He seems pretty eager to get this thing started, so why does he try to point the finger at Iran?

Are there any empty-headed dupes out there who've actually bought the line that Iran is pursuing a nuke? If there are, I say to them: you're the blight of the world.




Right, the nation with one of the largest oil reserves and relatively little uranium reserves needs nuclear power for electricity. Billions and billions for reactors and not one cent for refineries. Because they need electricity. Can you put together a puzzle that has more than twelve big wooden pieces?


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Re: ww3 [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7555960 - 10/24/07 05:05 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

China's economy would not crumble; they just wouldn't make as much money because dumbass consumers like us wouldn't be shelling out thousands of dollars for products that cost less than a hundred to produce.

How do foreign based companies (China) still manage to make a killer profit by dropping prices 50% on some products?


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Re: ww3 [Re: Nephlyte]
    #7556050 - 10/24/07 05:21 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I think it's fairly obvious that we (the United States) are trying to fund a war in the Middle East. We have sold weapons to both Saudi Arabia (who hates Israel just as much as anyone else) as well as Israel, we are about to engage in a new conflict with Iran, and we still want all of their oil.

I honestly don't think we're going to stop for anything until we control the Middle East. It may sound like a conspiracy theory, but put two and two together and do a little research, it's pretty scary what you'll come up with.


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    #7556163 - 10/24/07 05:46 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Ahmadinejad is not a holocaust denier, please get your facts straight.




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"They have invented a myth that Jews were massacred and place this above God, religions and the prophets," Ahmadinejad said in a speech to thousands of people in the Iranian city of Zahedan, according to a report on Wednesday from Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting.




I doubt he was misquoted.




No, maybe not in Farsi, but was he mistranslated or misunderstood, just as he was in the "wipe israel from the map" comment?

Did you never read the Columbia University transcripts, or watch the lengthy 60 minutes interview that happened right before his trip to the US? He called the claims that he was a holocaust denier, and others, incorrect, and affirmed that it happened. I believe I posted on the subject before either of these two press events even occured, correcting the false-hype over both the "wipe israel from the map" and holocaust denying rumours - and then, once again, my claims were subsequently further reinforced, and by his own words. How coincidental that should happen.


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Right, the nation with one of the largest oil reserves and relatively little uranium reserves needs nuclear power for electricity. Billions and billions for reactors and not one cent for refineries. Because they need electricity. Can you put together a puzzle that has more than twelve big wooden pieces?




You probably shouldn't even try to mock, you simply don't possess the needed skills, and it just comes back at you.
It has nothing to do with need. More electricity to export, more money to be made, more regional power, stabilization for the future as their gas resources start to wane... there's not a single bad aspect to it for them, unless you count Western discord, which is irrational and not to be heeded if it is truly empty.


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