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OfflineMadtowntripper
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Turkey Approves Military Action Against Iraqi Kurds.
    #7534670 - 10/19/07 09:47 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

This is actually a few days old now, but I wanted to see what the general consensus was on it anyway.

If you aren't aware, the Turkish Government has always been somewhat wary of the armed autonomy of the Kurdish majority in the Northern Part of Iraq, around Kirkuk. My understanding is that there is a large Kurdish minority in the far eastern parts of Turkey, and that the Turks feel that a push by Iraqi Kurds for outright independence might lead to the same desires among the Kurds living in Turkey.

The current situation is a result of a group of Kurdish fighters in Iraq that are launching cross-border raids on the Turkish Government. Or its the other way around, depending on which side you talk to. The other day, the Turkish Parliament authorized the Turkish military to launch cross-border attacks into Iraq on the Kurds there.

I'm not sure how the US government is going to go on this. On one hand, if the Kurdish fighters with the catchy acronym that I can't remember at the moment really are launching attacks against Turkey, that makes them terrorists, right? And if you buy the (idiotic) logic that we traveled thousands of miles across the ocean to fight terrorists in Iraq, how can you begrudge the Turks for fighting them in their own backyard?

On the other hand, maybe the Turks are just pissed because we're threatening to call them on their mass slaughter of Armenians early in the last century. Or maybe they really are nervous as hell about some kind of minority revolution in their country. But do we really want attacks on the Kurds in Iraq? They have been some of the staunchest supporters of whatever we're trying to do over there, and they have a very tight grip on their part of the country. I dont think we've had to send very many troops up there at all, and with things stretched pretty tight all over Iraq, having to put more up there now to quell any kind of unrest would not be an ideal situation. Not to mention needing to stringently avoid any kind of shooting accident with Turkey...

I'm of the opinion that its all posturing and they (Turkey) really wont do anything. I dont think they really want to inflame the United States, but we are doing our best to piss them off right now, so what actually happens is anyone's guess...

Thoughts?


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Edited by Madtowntripper (10/19/07 09:52 AM)


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Re: Turkey Approves Military Action Against Iraqi Kurds. [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7535071 - 10/19/07 11:49 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

The Kurds are getting uppity trying to kickstart a struggle that has deep roots but had been previously stifled by Saddam.

Seems to me that Turkey has a right to repel foreign invaders, no?


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Re: Turkey Approves Military Action Against Iraqi Kurds. [Re: afoaf]
    #7535089 - 10/19/07 11:53 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Turkey Approves Military Action Against Iraqi Kurds. [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7535101 - 10/19/07 11:56 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I'm not sure what to think. It sounds really complicated to analyze. social science and culture that westerners cannot grasp, I think if they did, they would feel a lot less willing to fight this war. It's just a mess over there, and I try not to get too involved. But If what you're saying is implemented, it seems to mean a conflict between the u.s. and Turkey is possible, as it would be a big hindrence to setting up a democracy (puppet) in Iraq.

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On one hand, if the Kurdish fighters with the catchy acronym that I can't remember at the moment really are launching attacks against Turkey, that makes them terrorists, right?




When will people understand that terrorist to one person is a freedom fighter to another. This war could have been solved a long time ago, if we have tried to see things from their perspective for a moment.

Now America will pay dearly.


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Re: Turkey Approves Military Action Against Iraqi Kurds. [Re: afoaf]
    #7535107 - 10/19/07 11:57 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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afoaf said:
The Kurds are getting uppity trying to kickstart a struggle that has deep roots but had been previously stifled by Saddam.

Seems to me that Turkey has a right to repel foreign invaders, no?




Sure, if thats actually whats happening.

But alot of people feel that they are just trying to put a stop to the Kurdish Independence Movement in Iraq, for fear that that independence of those Kurds would make Turkish Kurds want the same thing.

So if they're trying to secure their own borders, more power to them. But if they are trying to interfere with the politics of another country with military force, well, not so much.


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Re: Turkey Approves Military Action Against Iraqi Kurds. [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7535197 - 10/19/07 12:18 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Or maybe they really are nervous as hell about some kind of minority revolution in their country.




Well, they could always gather together individuals based solely on their ethnicity and send them on death marches to concentration camps, treating them miserably and ensuring a lot of them die.

It wouldn't be the first time. :shrug:


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Re: Turkey Approves Military Action Against Iraqi Kurds. [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7967589 - 02/02/08 03:31 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Madtowntripper said:
Quote:

afoaf said:
The Kurds are getting uppity trying to kickstart a struggle that has deep roots but had been previously stifled by Saddam.

Seems to me that Turkey has a right to repel foreign invaders, no?




Sure, if thats actually whats happening.

But alot of people feel that they are just trying to put a stop to the Kurdish Independence Movement in Iraq, for fear that that independence of those Kurds would make Turkish Kurds want the same thing.

So if they're trying to secure their own borders, more power to them. But if they are trying to interfere with the politics of another country with military force, well, not so much.




Well you are right on this subject since turkey is trying to strengthen its borders and just trying to keep its own peace , but as a u.s.a citizen i would like you to think the last sentence that you have just typed .
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Re: Turkey Approves Military Action Against Iraqi Kurds. [Re: afoaf]
    #7967705 - 02/02/08 06:07 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

afoaf said:
The Kurds are getting uppity trying to kickstart a struggle that has deep roots but had been previously stifled by Saddam.

Seems to me that Turkey has a right to repel foreign invaders, no?




Thats how I feel, if the PKK is firing rockets across the Turkish border and killing their people, they not only have the right, they have the obligation to strike back and to secure their border.


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Re: Turkey Approves Military Action Against Iraqi Kurds. [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #7968080 - 02/02/08 10:12 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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MadtownTripper Said:
So if they're trying to secure their own borders, more power to them. But if they are trying to interfere with the politics of another country with military force, well, not so much.




Wait a minute....


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Re: Turkey Approves Military Action Against Iraqi Kurds. [Re: SoY]
    #7968129 - 02/02/08 10:33 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Hmmm?

I know what you're going to say...


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