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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Question about death.
    #7533167 - 10/18/07 09:15 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Does this statement make sense to anyone but me and if so explain yourself.

"We are both running from death and struggling to die."


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Question about death. [Re: Icelander]
    #7533230 - 10/18/07 09:35 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

The craving for existence and the craving for non-existence.

We want to be done (in a sense), but because we are unskillful in both thought and action, we do not know the means to become satisfied with each moment presented to us.

In order to die complete, you must live completely. In order to live complete, you must completely die.


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my wick will burn out.
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Re: Question about death. [Re: psyka]
    #7533319 - 10/18/07 09:53 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I once ate a whole pizza by myself. :yesnod:


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Re: Question about death. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7533329 - 10/18/07 09:56 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

:mustardaccident:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Question about death. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7533331 - 10/18/07 09:56 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

The next stage is to deep fry the pizza.


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Re: Question about death. [Re: Icelander]
    #7533351 - 10/18/07 09:59 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Never cared for mustard as all I had was that over-vinegarred, yellow-dyed mustard. Than I had some fresh ground garlic mustard in Napa Valley with cheese and crackers along with my chardonnay. I became a 'convert'.


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Re: Question about death. [Re: psyka]
    #7533371 - 10/18/07 10:02 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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psyka said:
The next stage is to deep fry the pizza.




That may tilt the balance too much towards the death part of the equation. Bet it's really good, though...


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Re: Question about death. [Re: Icelander]
    #7533759 - 10/19/07 12:31 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I just run.


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Re: Question about death. [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #7534292 - 10/19/07 06:42 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Maybe, when we are born, we notice the difference between life and non-life (death?), and from then on, we are are contemplating between the two option... We are curious about life, but don't know if it is good enough for us... But we want to figure out so we don't want to die either. We got limited time...


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Re: Question about death. [Re: Icelander]
    #7534314 - 10/19/07 06:57 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

For a large part of my day I am either consciously or unconsciously wishing I could just lie in the corpse position on my yoga mat and stop feeling. And in fact, that's what I do for a large portion of my day - that, or just sit silently doing nothing. These are the things I do which are reflective of my will towards non-existence; everything else as far as I can tell is reflective of my will towards avoiding the inevitability of non-existence. But those things can be very fun anyway.


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: Question about death. [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #7534568 - 10/19/07 09:11 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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MushmanTheManic said:
I just run.




Get good track shoes with adequate arch supports. You'll need em.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Question about death. [Re: Lion]
    #7534574 - 10/19/07 09:12 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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bug said:
For a large part of my day I am either consciously or unconsciously wishing I could just lie in the corpse position on my yoga mat and stop feeling.  And in fact, that's what I do for a large portion of my day - that, or just sit silently doing nothing.  These are the things I do which are reflective of my will towards non-existence; everything else as far as I can tell is reflective of my will towards avoiding the inevitability of non-existence.  But those things can be very fun anyway.


:D


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Question about death. [Re: Icelander]
    #7534812 - 10/19/07 10:34 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

have you ever wanted to know a secret...yes, but not that strongly

how about when theyre about to tell you it and change their mind?


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Re: Question about death. [Re: Icelander]
    #7534817 - 10/19/07 10:37 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Quote:

MushmanTheManic said:
I just run.




Get good track shoes with adequate arch supports. You'll need em.




I'm gonna have a six pack. :crazy2:

"We need to have a reality show on what lengths people will go to escape death.  If the world population watched it, they would realize that each and every day of their lives they go to lengths to escape death.  Once this fact sinks in, society might actually take it seriously.  Very seriously."


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Re: Question about death. [Re: fake estate]
    #7534820 - 10/19/07 10:37 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

sometimes i get this feeling like i dont want to be alive in that moment. It makes me feel like going to sleep. Sometimes life is such a forced thing and it makes me wish i didnt exist. But non-exsistence is unfathomable.


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Man is timid and apologetic; he is no longer upright; he dares not say "I think," "I am," but quotes some saint or sage. He is ashamed before the blade of grass or the blowing rose.Man postpones or remembers; he does not live in the present, but with reverted eye laments the past, or, heedless of the riches that surround him, stands on tiptoe to foresee the future. He cannot be happy and strong until he too lives with nature in the present, above time
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Re: Question about death. [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #7534837 - 10/19/07 10:42 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

MushmanTheManic said:
Quote:

Icelander said:
Quote:

MushmanTheManic said:
I just run.




Get good track shoes with adequate arch supports. You'll need em.




I'm gonna have a six pack. :crazy2:

"We need to have a reality show on what lengths people will go to escape death.  If the world population watched it, they would realize that each and every day of their lives they go to lengths to escape death.  Once this fact sinks in, society might actually take it seriously.  Very seriously."




It's an interesting idea but from experience I find that people almost never connect the dots that leads back to them personally.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: Question about death. [Re: Jack Albertson]
    #7534839 - 10/19/07 10:43 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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ts727 said:
sometimes i get this feeling like i dont want to be alive in that moment. It makes me feel like going to sleep. Sometimes life is such a forced thing and it makes me wish i didnt exist. But non-exsistence is unfathomable.




I know what you mean. Very good response IMO.:thumbup:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Question about death. [Re: Icelander]
    #7534840 - 10/19/07 10:43 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I think most people can relate to the quote.

Life is difficult and according to bhuddism, life is suffering. So it is natural to sometimes think, 'I wish I could die right now and end it all,' and in that way we are 'struggling to die.'

Yet, life can be fun and entertaining and puzzling. Many people like to plan their lives out figuring how they can make life better for people who come after us. So we are 'running from death' because we have things we want to do, things we need to do, and there is only so much time in our lives to complete these tasks.


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Re: Question about death. [Re: vitadura]
    #7535568 - 10/19/07 01:42 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

according to bhuddism, life is suffering.


I think that's a misunderstanding. It's attachment to the impermanent which is suffering, not life itself. I know many Buddhists who love life!


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: Question about death. [Re: Lion]
    #7535581 - 10/19/07 01:44 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

That's correct.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: Question about death. [Re: Icelander]
    #7537279 - 10/19/07 09:06 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Does this statement make sense to anyone but me and if so explain yourself.

"We are both running from death and struggling to die."




Sure.  Makes tons of sense to me.  Here is my explanation:  I think we all fear death, in a form of separation anxiety from what we identify as the Self.  This is the absolute most frightening thing there could be, to die.  But we know that dying to the Self is a return to the unity that we all crave and desire, regardless if we recognize it or not.

Eventually, this death occurs anyways, and we find that we don't die, we only transcend what we thought was our Self and begin to identify with a higher Self.  This can be taken to refer to the physical death and extinction of "life", or of an ego-mind death, or body-mind death, etc.

That's just what your statement meant to me.  :shrug:


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Re: Question about death. [Re: jonathanseagull]
    #7539082 - 10/20/07 12:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Right on.:thumbup:

Many folk here have responded in variations of this idea and all are great posts and good insight.:sun:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Question about death. [Re: Icelander]
    #7540686 - 10/20/07 08:16 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

"i don't want to live, but i sure don't wanna die"


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Re: Question about death. [Re: demiu5]
    #7541818 - 10/21/07 08:10 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Which song/group? I can't remember at the moment.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: Question about death. [Re: Icelander]
    #7542735 - 10/21/07 01:09 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Try some ginkgo biloba...


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Re: Question about death. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7542838 - 10/21/07 01:34 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

ginkgo biloba...


Are you sure?:confused: Yeah! You're right, that was them!:thumbup: I can't believe I forgot my favorite group.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


Edited by Icelander (10/21/07 01:34 PM)


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