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OfflineHelloInsomnia
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Financial startup question
    #7531695 - 10/18/07 03:16 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Hi, I just moved back home with my dad and have internet again. My dad is going on a series of 5 vacations and work related trips. Basically I have the house to myself for the next 3 months. I have done a bit of research on mushrooms before and tried growing once. The first time I grew them my jars got contaminated before colonization. I bought a kit off e-bay (I was young, and stupid). Spent over $100 bucks too on it. My question is how much money will I need to start from scratch excluding money for spores, I have those. Just to build a terrarium and acquire the rest of the materials. I would like to try and grow about 1-2 ounces before my dad gets back so I don't have to worry about growing more for a long time.


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Re: Financial startup question [Re: HelloInsomnia]
    #7531728 - 10/18/07 03:25 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

tough to answer..
generally, the less you put into it, the less you will get out of it.
i've seen ppl spend under $100, and have OK results.. but this isn't exactly a cheap hobby, nor does everyone get it right on the first try..

it might be worth your while to just source out some finished product, in my opinion of course.


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Re: Financial startup question [Re: soul_psychonaut]
    #7531822 - 10/18/07 03:49 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

That is a good idea soul, however, I would like to learn the process it seems interesting. Purchasing 1-2 ounces in my area would cost much more than growing. I do not like talking about drugs with other people especially in person. I would rather it be more of a covert thing where I have control over it.


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Re: Financial startup question [Re: HelloInsomnia]
    #7532137 - 10/18/07 05:02 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I do not beleive in growing illegal mushrooms in a parents house, especially while they are away unless you live in a country where cultivation is allowed, in the eye's of the law. In the united states the police can seize your parents house for something "you" are doing without their knowlege and I doubt you want that to happen.

Unless your parents give you permission and know what can happen then dont cultivate :smile: Just my two cents for you see'ing is i doubt your over 18 but thats just me being a idiot, anywho.

Tier greenhouse $40

Coolmist humidifer $65     

Humidity gauge $20

Space heater $75

Timer $15

Preasure cooker $100

The preasure cooker is most importent $100 will get you a 22qt mirror stove top model or you can go with a more expensive model like a AA

Estimated cost is in the $275 range and thats including your jars/grains/silicone ect ect ect


Ive spent a good $600-700 on this hobby in my time and im just a crappy home cultivator.

Its gotta be the love for it :smile:


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Re: Financial startup question [Re: Pr0_X]
    #7532220 - 10/18/07 05:20 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

The investment:return ratio is great though, because you only need to buy the shit once. And with even one grow, it pays off usually.


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Re: Financial startup question [Re: AlCapwn]
    #7532232 - 10/18/07 05:22 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

AlCapwn said:
The investment:return ratio is great though, because you only need to buy the shit once. And with even one grow, it pays off usually.




spoken like a mobster lol. i personally think selling drugs is wrong, share with your close friends and thats it imho


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Re: Financial startup question [Re: Pr0_X]
    #7532238 - 10/18/07 05:23 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

If you do PF jars you can have 12 1/2 pint cakes and a shotgun fruiting chamber for less than $75 if you already have the spores and a few other household items. After a few flushes you'll have plenty for personal use. Considering that you only have 3 months I assume that's what you're looking for.


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Re: Financial startup question [Re: futurewolf42o]
    #7532285 - 10/18/07 05:32 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, I don't sell. I just meant that you get a lot more mushrooms for a lot cheaper than buying them.


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Re: Financial startup question [Re: Pr0_X]
    #7532352 - 10/18/07 05:51 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

coolmist humidifier $4 at goodwill
humidity gauge: unnecessary for a barebones setup
space heater: unnecessary. Keep your house about 72, and you'll be fine
timer: unnecessary if you just leave the coolmist on for FAE all the time.
Pressure cooker: unnecessary. Use the PF method with more jars. If you have a set timeframe I'd not recommend fucking around with bulk substrates; they're considerably more complex.
The tier greenhouse/humidifier could simply be replaced with an aquarium and perlite ($15 combined).

Only you forgot spores ($20), and jars ($20 for quite a few), and substrate (BRF/verm, probably, at $20). I'd say soul's estimate is far more accurate.

And he's also right; my parents chewed me out some 10 years ago for growing weed on their property. If you get caught (and you're in high school, trust me...you're likely to), and invaded by some backwater police force, your parents will be forced to pay legal fees and indeed risk forfeiture of their house. To say nothing of what it would do to their circle of friends who would assume they condoned your activity. Wait a while; it's worth it.


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Re: Financial startup question [Re: CaptainLinger]
    #7532396 - 10/18/07 05:59 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

You could go with a cheaper pressure cooker, even one that holds only a few quart jars is sufficient for just personal use.


And WBS is like a dollar a bag or something ridiculous---once you get a few big things out of the way it isn't a big cost.


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Re: Financial startup question [Re: kraj]
    #7532428 - 10/18/07 06:09 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

my auto set up was $200


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Re: Financial startup question [Re: BUDDHA_702]
    #7532446 - 10/18/07 06:14 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

a coolmist retail from target by kaz and it works well is only 25 bucks and a rubermaid can sufice instead of a greenhouse or w/e instead of 45 its like 7 bucks for a tub


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Re: Financial startup question [Re: HelloInsomnia]
    #7532479 - 10/18/07 06:22 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

honestly if you had to you could prob get away without even having a humidifier, if you use geolite/perlite and mist it with just a spray bottle but not directly on them. that and you would need to manually fan. the heater on the other hand i feel is more of a necessity as you want it to colonize as quickly as possible.


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Re: Financial startup question [Re: relativexistance]
    #7532660 - 10/18/07 07:02 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

my total setup, including spores, pc, jars, and substrate/casing, plus terrarium cost $45. ask me how.


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Re: Financial startup question [Re: mr.shankly]
    #7532752 - 10/18/07 07:25 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i heating pad in a small area will raise the relative temp. to like 4-5 degrees higher anda pad is usally cheaper then a space heater


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Re: Financial startup question [Re: HelloInsomnia]
    #7532872 - 10/18/07 08:01 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

12 Pint Jars: $10 at Wal*Mart.
Vermiculite: $12 at Home Depot for more than you'll ever need.
Brown Rice Flour: Roughly $5 at any health food store.
Micropore Tape: $3 at CVS.
Aluminum Foil: $2 at CVS/Wal*Mart/Publix
Perlite: $4 at Home Depot for a small bag.
Pressure Cooker: $60 at Wal*Mart for a 16qt. (Not necesscary, just easier)
2 Gallons of Distilled Water: $3
Rubbing Alcohol: $1

Exactly $100.

Simple PF-Tek.


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Re: Financial startup question [Re: HelloInsomnia]
    #7532880 - 10/18/07 08:02 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Broken down, here's what I've spent(Newbie2)
Plastic containers $25
Submers heater $20
Mason jars and lids $15
Pressure cooker $30
Small HEPA filter unit $30
Verm $10
Perlite $10
BRF $5
Distilled/Spring water $2
That's just for PF tek.


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Re: Financial startup question [Re: resptodd]
    #7532953 - 10/18/07 08:18 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

With the knowledge i have gained through my experience I think i would be able to do it from beginning to fruit in hand for dirt cheap. But i have spent over 1,000 in this hobby in less than a year and I don't regret any of it. This really is a neat hobby and i wish i could make it my life now. But i think with anything you get what you put into it. I put less than 100$ into my first grow and got, well, pretty shitty results by today's standards. Just be sure to dunk and roll your cakes. Mushrooms are 90% water (don't quote me on that) so the cakes will need as much as they can get.


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Re: Financial startup question [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #7533038 - 10/18/07 08:38 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Even though it won't save you much you can also get straight long grain brown rice at any grocery store and grind it up in a blender to make your own flour. Thats like less than a doller for one bag and thats pretty damn close to what it would be if you payed 8 and got premade flour. If you want 1-2 ounces in three months though you will need alot of cakes unless you do casings. But either way it really just depends on wether you want some for just yourself or for alittle more. My opinion though and I'm in no way saying you should not try it or that you won't have good results but on average you usually end up failing a few times before you understand why completly. I still say go for it just don't go in it with ultra high expectations. Better to be surprised because it worked than surprised if it doesn't.


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Re: Financial startup question [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #7533053 - 10/18/07 08:43 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Thank you for the responses. I want to assure you all that all security measures will be taken; the mushrooms are for personal use, I intend on sharing them with one person who will have no knowledge of the grow. I am over 18 pro_x I just moved back from an apartment for a few months before I move to the other side of the country.


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Re: Financial startup question [Re: HelloInsomnia]
    #7533077 - 10/18/07 08:50 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I grow portabella, and I love cooking and eating them. Shiitake are good too. But if you really want to impress your friends try and grow some Maitakes, they don't taste as good as ports or shit but the medicinal benefits are phenomenal!


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Re: Financial startup question [Re: HelloInsomnia]
    #7533088 - 10/18/07 08:55 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I grow portabella mush' I love eating them as often as possible. Shiitake are very good too, but if you really want to impress your friends grow some Mai takes they don't taste as good as ports or shit but the medicinal benefits are phenomenal.


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Re: Financial startup question [Re: HelloInsomnia]
    #7533104 - 10/18/07 08:58 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

yeah when I was living at home I set up a pretty decent stealth op for about 110 with spores... Just use the pear lite and BRF cakes and you'll be fine, I think I ended up with a little over 2 Oz's but it was hard to keep track of because each week a new flush popped up and me and my friend dosed 'em haha I think we only dried out a 1/2 ounce total but we tripped every weekend for the whole summer!!!


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Re: Financial startup question [Re: HelloInsomnia]
    #7533986 - 10/19/07 02:52 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I think I spent somewhere around $100 for my first grow, give or take $20, not sure since it wasn't done all at once. Some of that was reusable for fufture attempts. I'd say go bare-bones, simple PF Tek until you get some results. It shouldn't cost you more tahn $100 do a dozen (maybe 2 dozen) PF half pints, start to finish.

If that works out okay for you, and you get a feel for the process and want to step it up, get a PC and move on to WBS or rye quarts the next time. But you can get VERY nice results from perlite humidification and hand misting (no humidifier) and PF-style BRF jars (no PC needed). Incubation can be at room temp, or perhaps above a radiator or atop a refrigerator for a few extra degrees, and you can be creative when constructing or salgaving a fruiting chamber or terrarium.

Bottom line: pick a simple, highly-rated tek for your first grow, get to know it before you begin, and follow the steps exactly.


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Re: Financial startup question [Re: Mepher]
    #7534269 - 10/19/07 06:24 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

my friend spent about $75 including 2 spore syringes from a sponsor


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Re: Financial startup question [Re: HelloInsomnia]
    #7534853 - 10/19/07 10:47 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

No sense in buying a pressure cooker if this is a temporary thing.

I'd do up 10 PF jars and spawn them to two monotubs of coir. YOU can grow a whole lot quickly

BRF and verm: more than enough for $10
1/2 pint Jars: $4
Coir: two bricks for $10
Tubs: two for $15
Polyfill: $3
Foil: $2
Micropore tape: $2

That's less than 50 dollars, no PC, no perlite, no terrarium.

You've already got the spores, you can probably find a large boiling pot somewhere.


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Re: Financial startup question [Re: veilbreaker]
    #7553918 - 10/24/07 07:13 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Instead of starting a new thread ill just post my other question in here. Has anyone used a 'Crockpot' to sterilize the jars? I have a Crockpot and would rather use that than going out and purchasing a pressure cooker. The settings are low med high so I figure if usable put it on high for about an hour? Any information would be helpful.


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Re: Financial startup question [Re: HelloInsomnia]
    #7553964 - 10/24/07 07:49 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

1 pressure cooker, 100 bux
2 cases of pint jars 20 bux
10lbs of rye grains 7 bux
u already have spores.
40 filter patch bags, 20 bux
50lbs of pre past ordered manure @120 bux

return: you'll never need cultivate again.

so about 260bux.


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Re: Financial startup question [Re: HelloInsomnia]
    #7553966 - 10/24/07 07:51 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Just steam sterilize the pf jars in a normal saucepan.

The reason we use pressure cookers is not that it is a fancy way to cook the substrates but because the high pressure inside the cooker allows for higher than 100ºC temperatures which allow us to sterilize the substrate.

So while you can use both a pressure cooker and a crockpot to make a stew you CAN'T use a crockpot to sterilize jars, as the crockpot will never go over 80-90ºC.

Just read any of the pf tek cultivation guides on the main site and they all explain how to boil the jars for 90 minutes to achieve sterilization.

This only works consistently with pf-tek jars, as bigger amounts need the high temperatures of a pressure cooker to be completely sterilized.

I repeat once again DON'T USE THE CROCKPOT, or you will loose most or all jars to contaminations.


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Re: Financial startup question [Re: Nibin]
    #7554077 - 10/24/07 08:29 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I think my [proposed] setup will be considered kinda ghetto by some...but here goes:

$35 - Spore Print + postage
$12 - 1ft x 1ft x 1ft plastic container [2 gallons]
$02 - Brown Rice
$02 - Coir brick
$02 - Syringe

$53 - Total.

I'll probably just go with a monotub design: crumble the BRF cakes, and spawn straight to coir. Set and forget design, no wuckin' forries! :laugh:


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