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Is it necessary to eat bread (products)?
#7531436 - 10/18/07 02:23 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Cuz.. it's just a man-made thing from plants.
Sure, there are plenty of studies of healthy diets that show that people eating "fruits, vegetables, fish, omega-3 fats, and whole grains" do way better healthwise than those eating the Standard American Diet. But it's a real stretch to attribute those health benefits to the grains. In my opinion, if people were eating plenty of vegetables, fruits, omega-3 fats, and M&Ms they'd still be much healthier than most of America.
Jonny Bowden, Ph.D., C.N.S., The 150 Healthiest Foods on Earth
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Re: Is it necessary to eat bread (products)? [Re: JunkFood]
#7531827 - 10/18/07 03:49 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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While the quote is true, it's kind of misleading. Of course someone who eats plenty of vegetables, fruits, omega-3 fats and M&M's will be better off than most Americans, because most Americans eat M&M's, McFatty Burgers, Pizza, and Potatoes... er, chips that is.
Unprocessed whole grains are very healthy. A diet lacking these slow-digesting carbohydrates is lacking indeed.
Check out:
http://www.whfoods.com/foodstoc.php
It goes into detail about the numerous health benefits of various whole grains.
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Re: Is it necessary to eat bread (products)? [Re: JunkFood]
#7531913 - 10/18/07 04:11 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Whole grains certainly aren't bad for you, and they compliment an incredible amount of other foods. Not to mention that they're delicious. It might (I'm not sure) not be necessary to have grains in your diet, but unless you were allergic, why would you want to avoid them?
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Re: Is it necessary to eat bread (products)? [Re: lukeboots]
#7531920 - 10/18/07 04:13 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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The guy in the book says they're the same thing as refined grains: The only difference is that they have some fat and some nutrients.
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Re: Is it necessary to eat bread (products)? [Re: JunkFood]
#7532023 - 10/18/07 04:39 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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idk.
This is from a quick googling.
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A grain is considered whole when all three parts – bran, germ and endosperm – are present. Most people know that fruits and vegetables contain beneficial phytochemicals and antioxidants, but many do not realize that whole grains are often an even better source of these key nutrients. In fact, whole grains are a good source of B vitamins, Vitamin E, magnesium, iron and fiber, as well as other valuable antioxidants not found in some fruits and vegetables. Most of the antioxidants and vitamins are found in the germ and the bran of a grain.
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Re: Is it necessary to eat bread (products)? [Re: lukeboots]
#7532042 - 10/18/07 04:43 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well, he touts the health benefits of quinoa and crude groats, but says most bread products are crap.
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Re: Is it necessary to eat bread (products)? [Re: JunkFood]
#7532110 - 10/18/07 04:56 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'll ask you again: Why would you want to listen to that advice? Has [whole grain] bread harmed you or made you feel unhealthy?
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Re: Is it necessary to eat bread (products)? [Re: lukeboots]
#7532126 - 10/18/07 05:01 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well, I'm a sugar addict, and I experience sugar's ravaging effects; he's saying bread products are right up there with sugar, glycemically.
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Re: Is it necessary to eat bread (products)? [Re: JunkFood]
#7532376 - 10/18/07 05:55 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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It really depends on the type of bread. Sprouted wheat bread (made without flour) is extremely nutritious, and very low-GI (glycemic index). Wonder bread is crap, and very high-GI. There is no reason to eat white bread or breads made with the addition of unbleached all-purpose flour (aka white). Whole wheat bread is better, but not as nutritious as sprouted wheat bread.
You can certainly get the benefits of whole grains from OTHER grains, so it is not essential for you to eat bread. I love sprouted wheat tortillas for making veggie wraps & burritoes, and sprouted wheat toast with a little almond butter is a terrific breakfast. But each to his/her own.
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Re: Is it necessary to eat bread (products)? [Re: Veritas]
#7532512 - 10/18/07 06:30 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Veritas said: It really depends on the type of bread. Sprouted wheat bread (made without flour) is extremely nutritious, and very low-GI (glycemic index). Wonder bread is crap, and very high-GI. There is no reason to eat white bread or breads made with the addition of unbleached all-purpose flour (aka white). Whole wheat bread is better, but not as nutritious as sprouted wheat bread.
You can certainly get the benefits of whole grains from OTHER grains, so it is not essential for you to eat bread. I love sprouted wheat tortillas for making veggie wraps & burritoes, and sprouted wheat toast with a little almond butter is a terrific breakfast. But each to his/her own.
Exactly! Most breads are crap. Even ones that say whole wheat are usually processed, stripped of nutrients, then "enriched" with artificial, inferior nutrients.
Sprouted grains FTW! Look in your grocer's freezer section for Ezekiel Bread. Healthy, low glycemic, complete protein... what more could you want? (except maybe a lower price)
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Re: Is it necessary to eat bread (products)? [Re: JunkFood]
#7532538 - 10/18/07 06:35 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wouldn't it be healthier to eat the plant from which the bread is made? Not tastier, but healthier
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Re: Is it necessary to eat bread (products)? [Re: JunkFood]
#7532557 - 10/18/07 06:38 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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With sprouted grains, you ARE eating the plant, as well as the beneficial oils & protein in the "seed" (grain kernel).
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Re: Is it necessary to eat bread (products)? [Re: Veritas]
#7532579 - 10/18/07 06:44 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've been eating nothing but sprouted grains (in terms of grains) for a while now 

The thing is, bread itself is a cooked product. So, this bread is like cooked, frozen vegetables, if you wanna compare it to vegetables, isn't it?
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Re: Is it necessary to eat bread (products)? [Re: JunkFood]
#7534676 - 10/19/07 09:48 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes, if you have to buy it frozen. My local co-op has a high enough turnover rate that they can sell it on the shelves. Even cooked, frozen veggies are an improvement over pure starch (white flour), though.
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Re: Is it necessary to eat bread (products)? [Re: JunkFood]
#7534686 - 10/19/07 09:51 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I agree with what Veritas said.
As for your question.. it's not necessary to eat bread.. but in my opinion no well balanced diet is complete without whole grains. It's the bottom of the food pyramid (however inaccurate it may be..) and been eaten since the dawn of time for good reason. It's an ideal source of carbs (energy).
The problem with most bread is that it is made with refined flours. Grains that have been stripped of the husk and germ, processed and bleached and contain virtually no nutrional content. So that all the life-giving properties of the whole grain are virtually removed.
Sprouted grains (and sprouts in general) are the best for you.. I believe I read somewhere that sprouts contain the highest concentration of nutrients as opposed to the full grown plant. A good example would be alfalfa sprouts. While alfalfa is extremely nutritious, alfalfa sprouts are even more packed with concentrated nutrients.
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Re: Is it necessary to eat bread (products)? [Re: Shroomism]
#7534720 - 10/19/07 10:03 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes, broccoli sprouts have 35 times more sulforophane (a potent antioxidant) by volume than full-grown broccoli. To put that in perspective, ONE broccoli sprout contains all the sulforophane that is present in an entire bunch of broccoli! They are delicious on sandwiches, or you can put them in mixed veggie juice.
Also, just to clarify my position on whole grains: there are many more grains besides wheat and brown rice, and it is worthwhile to investigate them & to vary the types you regularly consume. Wheat and rice are common allergens, as they are often fed too early to infants as "baby cereal." Allergic reactions can be subtle, especially if you've been experiencing them every day of your life, so pay attention to your mood and health during a 2-week wheat and rice "break." If you notice an improvement, it would be smart to eliminate these grains from your diet.
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Re: Is it necessary to eat bread (products)? [Re: JunkFood]
#7534818 - 10/19/07 10:37 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Carbohydrates are the preferred fuel of the body. whole grains are the best carbohydrates. You can live without them, but you will not be as healthy.
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Re: Is it necessary to eat bread (products)? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
#7535619 - 10/19/07 01:51 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Atkins diet is satan.
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Re: Is it necessary to eat bread (products)? [Re: Shroomism]
#7536174 - 10/19/07 04:21 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Atkins diet is indeed foolish, and that mercola guy is a quack.
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Re: Is it necessary to eat bread (products)? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
#7536184 - 10/19/07 04:22 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Why do you say that?
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Re: Is it necessary to eat bread (products)? [Re: JunkFood]
#7536356 - 10/19/07 04:59 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/mercola.html
http://www.casewatch.org/fdawarning/prod/2005/mercola.shtml
some of the things he may be saying are true, like about vaccinations for instance or fallacies in modern medical treatment. I can consider that. But you really need to be wary of anyone who tries to sell you all these wierd supplements. Some of them, you can really use. But generally, this is a niche that's been created in the health food and naturopath industry that deceives the simple minded.
Here's a fact: You are going to die. And nothing you do is going to change that. Stop stressing and take care of your body the most reasonable you can, and then let it go. It's not that complicated. People don't understand that our genetic information is the biggest cause of bad health. No vitamin you can take will ever heal this. Take as many as you want, it won't do anything. Our genetic information gets worse and worse with every generation do to copying errors and other types of mutations.
Dr. Mercola I believe is just another snake oil salesman. He also promotes the atkins diet, or his own slant on it. It is obvious to me that his whole program is about instilling fear in people as much as he can and directing them towards his website to buy his products.
He apparently had one popular book, " the no grain diet", which I havn't read, and don't intend on doing. The only way to get the carbs you need without eaating grains, is to eat sugars, like fruits. You can do it, and live, but it's not as healthy as eating whole grains and those types of sugar will actually make you gain more weight. The meat industry loves it though. More room for meat, which will cause a host of problems on it's own. There are many people who have gone on about how atkins diet is nonsense. It has caught peoples attention because it's so different. People don't normally think about it because it's not natural or healthy. Alot of people are looking for that magical cure they never thought of before. But there is no magical cure.
Heres a review from amazon from the latest book he's pushing on his wbsite " Dr. Mercola's Total Health Program: The Proven Plan to Prevent Disease and Premature Aging, Optimize Weight and Live Longer"
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Even though the book is not very expensive through Amazon, it really doesn't have much to offer. It's main purpose, in my opinion, is to introduce the reader to the products that Mercola sells through his website. He may claim that he's only offering important health products to his readers, but he's making a lot of money selling these things (just check out the outrageous "shipping and handling" charges added to each order). His newsletter is basically marketing for these products. I hate to admit it, but I fell for one of his pitches regarding a chocolate bar that is actually good for you. I paid over $40 for a dozen 2 ounce bars only to be told a couple of weeks later that they were contaminated with lead (some health food!). It's now been over two weeks and I'm still trying to get the information from them on how to send this item back at their expense. Do yourself a favor and buy "Protein Power" or "Neanderthin" instead. They are better books and they won't hit you with constant marketing to get you to buy their "healthy" products.
A lot of people like to take advantage of people's lack of knowledge and this is in all areas. it doesn't matter if it's more natural. it's all about money.
Just eat complex carbs for your main energy and eat with moderation and diversity, and if you don't feel like superman, don't get upset just move on.
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Re: Is it necessary to eat bread (products)? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
#7536413 - 10/19/07 05:14 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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jonathan_206 said: The only way to get the carbs you need without eaating grains, is to eat sugars, like fruits.
No, people like Jonny Bowden (person who I quoted in my first post) and Joseph Mercola regard vegetables as the primary source of carbs.
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Re: Is it necessary to eat bread (products)? [Re: JunkFood]
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Thank you for informing me.
I think that is unreasonable, and alot of people agree with me. I thought of fruits, mainly because trying to get all of your energy from vegetables is harder, much harder.
Take a look at the carbs for vegetables:
http://www.iloveindia.com/nutrition/carbohydrates/carbohydrates-in-vegetables.html
Now take a look at carbs for fruit:
http://www.weightlossforall.com/carbohydrates-fruit.htm
Big difference isn't there?
Mercola even advises against starchy tubers like carrots, and even beans.
It is extremely expensive, and aside from the carbs, there are other aspects to eating grains that are tailored to our needs, I believe.
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Grains are the seeds of plants. When whole, they include the bran, germ and endosperm — all of which contain beneficial nutrients.
• Bran. Forming the outer layer of the seed, the bran is a rich source of niacin, thiamin, riboflavin, magnesium, phosphorus, iron and zinc. The bran also contains the majority of the seed's fiber.
• Germ. The part from which a new plant sprouts, the germ is a concentrated source of niacin, thiamin, riboflavin, vitamin E, magnesium, phosphorus, iron and zinc. The germ also contains protein and some fat.
• Endosperm. Also called the kernel, the endosperm makes up the bulk of the seed. It contains most of the grain's protein and carbohydrates and has small amounts of vitamins and minerals.
Refined grains, such as white rice or white flour, have both the bran and germ removed from the grain. Although vitamins and minerals are added back into refined grains after the milling process, they still don't have as many nutrients as whole grains, and they don't provide the fiber.
Identifying whole grain products is not always that simple. It's easy to be deceived by breads labeled "nine-grain," "rye bread" or "made with whole grain."
Whole grain products should list a whole grain ingredient, such as "whole wheat," "whole rye," "whole-oats" as the first ingredient on the label.
They contain magnesium, vitamin E and some B vitamins, and are an excellent source of fiber, something Americans under consume. The good news is that there are a number of delicious and nutritious non-wheat grains available.
http://www.thefactsaboutfitness.com/news/grain.htm
This seems to me a healthy perspective about no grain diet :
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But there’s a whole movement against grain out there. It’s the latest trend. The author of the "No-Grain Diet" is the same person who claims that the coconut oil he sells on his site will: "Reduce the risk of heart disease; Lower your cholesterol; improve conditions in those with diabetes and chronic fatigue (is there a connection?? BCG); Improve Crohn's, IBS [Irritable Bowel Syndrome], and other digestive disorders; Prevent other disease and routine illness with its powerful antibacterial, antiviral and antifungal agents; and (my favorite!) "The fatty acids in coconut oil can kill herpes and Epstein Barr viruses …. They kill Candida and giardia. They kill a variety of other infectious organisms, any of which could cause chronic fatigue." He serves on the board of directors of one of the most anti-vegetarian organizations on the planet, the Weston A. Price Foundation. On his diet regime you are supposed to eat no grains (except a little bit of sprouted grain cereal, on the theory that whole grains contain too many phytates which will block absorption of minerals, a theory easily disproved), no sugars, no simple starches (potatoes, carrots, etc.), certain fruits only, most vegetables unless very starchy, meats, fish and poultry (organic and preferably "wild")- preferably organic, butter, cream and cheese; and he barely mentions exercise!
On the strict version of his diet, you are also to avoid beans; on less strict versions you can have some, but you must add other proteins! He writes: "If you have high insulin levels, you will want to avoid beans until you have normal insulin levels." Just the opposite of the results Dr. Neal Barnard's new study on diabetes. (His new book will be out in February 07, and I did the recipes for it. Beans were #1 on the list of foods to use!)
Here's a review of the "No-Grain Diet" on amazon which I think is very to-the-point: "We all agree that refined grains are not health foods, so the only question pertains to whole grains. But Mercola doesn't address it. Yes, there is an epidemic of heart disease, obesity, and diabetes, but it certainly is not due to whole grains, because, for the most part, people are not eating them, and certainly not obese people. Mercola's case centers around insulin, and a train of havoc that follows from its release. However, in his rant ravings, Mercola makes a flying leap from what is, in fact, normal physiology (the metabolism of carbohydrate by the human body) to disease. The whole idea that I eat potato, or a bowl of brown rice, and therefore alarms go off inside my body, my blood sugar goes soaring out of control, and metabolic mayhem follows is pure fantasy. The burning of carbohydrate as fuel is as natural for a human being as breathing air (in fact, it's the main reason you need to breathe air). In the topsy-turvey world of Mercola, plain carrots are fattening. That's right, they raise your triglycerides and get deposited all over your body as fat. Haven't you noticed that among carrot eaters? But whole raw milk, with that rich, thick layer of cream on top, that's not fattening. Like other newsletter writers, Mercola picks and chooses articles from the medical literature which he thinks supports his position, while glibly ignoring the ones that contest it, like for instance the myriad of studies which show that increasing whole grains in the diet promotes slenderness, arterial health, and protection from diabetes. I am a 52 year old man. I am 5'6" and I weigh 135 pounds. My body fat percentage is very low. I eat a diet that is high in fruits, starchy vegetables, whole grains, and nuts. I eat practically no animal food of any kind. I am practically a total vegan. My blood cholesterol last checked was 150. My triglycerides were 35! (Normal triglyceride according to Medicine is supposedly 75 to 150) My blood sugar was 84. These results are totally in contrast to what Mercola's ideas would predict. And believe me, there is nothing special about me. It has nothing to do with me having some unique metabolic type or other fanciful notion from the mind of Mercola. I do not think that grains are as valuable as fruits and vegetables, nor do I think they should be given as much importance in the diet. Yet, leading nutritional doctors whom I respect (including Dean Ornish, John McDougall, Andrew Weil, Michael Klaper, Neil Barnard, and others) all believe there is a place for whole grains in a healthy diet. The Egyptian workers built the Pyramids on a grain-based diet. The Roman Army conquered the world on a grain-based diet. There are many causes of degenerative disease in modern life, but eating whole grains is not one of them." Ralph C. Cinque (Buda, Texas)
Then there's the argument that allergies to grain (especially wheat) are rampant, so we should all avoid them, just in case. Now, I understand that those with celiac sprue disease cannot eat anything with gluten, but they can still safely eat (according to celiac.com) rice, buckwheat, wild rice, corn, amaranth, quinoa, millet, teff, and Job's tears. And I know that there are some people who are allergic or intolerant to grains, but that only affects a small percentage of the population (excluding celiacs, wheat allergy, for instance, is estimated at 0.5% of the population and wheat intolerance at 15% of the population).
Many people say they are “allergic” to wheat, but a true wheat allergy is very rare and can cause extreme reactions, such as anaphylaxis. What more likely is actually occurring is intolerance, which is the inability to digest wheat protein properly, and which can cause bloating, cramps, etc.. Grain intolerance is most common among young children, the majority of of whom will outgrow it within 5 years, especially if that grain is totally avoided for a time. (This happened with my oldest grandson, now 16, who was intolerant to corn, but now is not and he eats tortilla chips regularly!) If either of these conditions applies, there are other grains than the one(s) you are allergic/intolerant to that will be perfectly fine for you.
Despite these facts, people keep buying these books (like the one mentioned above) claiming that you will lose weight AND cure all of your ills if you just stop eating grains! You WILL most likely lose weight because you’ll be cutting calories! But, if you aren't losing on Dr. Mercola's diet, guess what? You should go on a 1000 calorie a day diet...something only to be attempted by very, very petite, inactive women! (It's hard to get enough nutrients with less than 1200 calories a day.) Most of the people who bought that books in an effort to lose weight will be on some other diet a few months from now, no doubt.
Grains, primarily wheat, rice, and corn, have sustained mankind for 12,000 years, and allowed civilizations to flourish.
Let's not "throw the baby out with the bathwater". Instead of saying “no grain”, why not “whole grain”? You'll probably lose some weight, save some money, and have far less risk of diabetes, constipation, degenerative dieases, gallstones, and stroke. (See this article about wheat, for instance, and their entries on other grains.)
An interesting take on this comes from “The Second Seasonal Political Palate” by the Bloodroot Collective, a feminist vegetarian collective that runs a well-known restaurant in Bridgeport, Connecticut, and writes vegetarian cookbooks. (Quite interesting ones with very opinionated articles in them!. The books and restaurant are not vegan, but have vegan options.) “Grains have been associated with the earth’s abundance or what patronizing writers call fertility goddesses. Grains are our mothers. Demeter and wheat and the corn mother are but two examples. All over the earth, oldest images of both mother and food are personified in Goddesses of grain...Now the latest wrinkle is allergies to wheat, corn, and fermentation...We prefer to remember the value of grains, legumes (“that which is gathered”), fruits, whether fresh or fermented, yeasted, brewed, in all stages from seed to decay. These are what sustain us.”
I think mercola has his own agenda. I support eating a more natural diet, but he just goes too far.
a few more reviews and then I'm done:
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Do we really need another "expert" making money off of people by promoting fears about food and insisting that their's is the "right" weight loss plan? Take a long look around. None of the ideas promoted by the weight loss industry have worked long term, have they.
Canada has a national program guideline called Vitality. The concepts are: Eat well. (To me that means concentrate on real foods for the majority of my meals.) Live actively. (What do I enjoy doing that gets me moving around?) Think well of yourself. (Accepting yourself as you are right now is how long lasting changes have a chance to begin.)
Do you think you could live the rest of your life eating well, living actively and thinking well of yourself (and others)? How about making our own choices instead of following someone else's rigid plan? Please listen to your own body. Pay attention to how you feel when you eat this or that. This is what I chose to do. Now the extra weight and inches are beginning to come off of me on their own.
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As a previous patient of Dr. Mercola, I experienced being put on a program which basically drained me financially. A high number of tests were recommended and taken, and one treatment ended up being very painful for me, which I later found out was completely unnecessary. Needless to say, I had a very bad experience at his clinic, spent lots of money (nothing was covered by insurance), and got no better. It's difficult for me to trust what this person says or writes. Also, the products he recommends are the same ones he sells via certain manufacturers/distributors through his website. He's a business like any other business, and what is the bottom line for most businesses? I'm sure we all know that one...
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You may lose weight following this diet. But, at what cost? No Pizza. No Beer. No fun.
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I browsed this book in 10 seconds on a shelf. Not a very good basis for a review huh? Why did I put it back so quick and feel compelled to write here? I flicked to a page supposedly "exposing myths". "Myth #1" was about exercise and high carb diets. He brushes aside the importance of "excess calories" claiming the effect of "carbs turning to fat" is more important! It is at that point I realised the author is probably very rich, smiled and put the book back on the shelf. The authors whole premise, is partly based on something that hardly happens. And this has been known since about 1982!! The author ends up trying to debunk a possibly sound dieting approach by himself regurgitating a complete myth. He says "The body has limited capacity to store carbohydrates so it converts them into fat". He's wrong. Several studies have shown this happens in such small amounts that it is insignificant and that the body can store lots of carbs.
I'm not saying excess carbs dont contribute to getting fatter - they do by promoting storage of dietary fat and reducing the burning of body fat - and the author is right about that, but wrong about carbs turning to fat.
An oversight, you might say? Now if the author can get such a well know thing (amongst REAL nutritionists) wrong, which is, presumably, at the core of his entire book, and has been known for over 20 years, what does that say about his whole approach. Some things he says are right?, others wrong ?, and all he's looking for is a new angle/fad to part you from your money.
It's simple , eat less , eat more real food , cut out processed foods ,cut out emotional eating, get more excercise, rinse and repeat.
The "Diet Book" thing is an industry. Plain and simple. Spend the money on some real food.
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"1982 Acheson KJ, Flatt JP, Jequier E."
Conclusion These ***findings challenge the common perception*** that conversion of CHO[carbs] to fat is an important pathway for the retention of dietary energy and for the accumulation of body fat.
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"2001 Regina M McDevitt, Sarah J Bott, Marilyn Harding, W Andrew Coward, Leslie J Bluck and Andrew M Prentice"
Conclusion: De novo lipogenesis[carbs turning to fat] increases after overfeeding with glucose and sucrose to the same extent in lean and obese women ***but does not contribute greatly to total fat balance.***
Google for "de novo lipogenesis" for more [Note you may find a link to the last study at Atkins website where they completely ignore the conclusion because it disputes some of their principles too. This is an indictment of the diet-industry in general]
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As a member of the Chiropractic profession, I know that Dr. Mercola is widely respected. Which is why it brings me great dismay to learn that he is an advocate of "foods" such as beef, no matter how it is fed. Upon simply analyzing the enzymes and simple physiology of humans versus every carnivore in the animal kingdom, let alone looking at it's effects on human health, it is obvious that humans were designed to eat a diet that is without any animal products, period. The healthiest program one can follow is a diet based on living foods, period.
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I have read several of Dr Mercola's unscientific remarks on diets and he has paid no attention to the global consequences of his advice. Just as crazy at the Atkins Diet which will increase colon cancer, coronary artery disease not to mention hemorrhoids and gout, this kind of nonsense will pan out in about 2010 and then everyone will realize just how ridiculous we were to even listen! I'm a physician and I know, just like Dr Spock and Dr Osche that only a vegetarian diet will make you live the healthiest and the longest and the happiest. I would love to give you more proof here but I would urge all potential 'sucked-in' consumers to do their homework and research Mercola, Atkins and all the other flim-flam artists before they buy into their latest snake-oil remedy. It's you're choice but please ask yourselves: do you feel lucky?
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Re: Is it necessary to eat bread (products)? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
#7536752 - 10/19/07 06:50 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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p.s. I do not at all support the whole bit about demeter and grain mother godess junk.
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Re: Is it necessary to eat bread (products)? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
#7536918 - 10/19/07 07:43 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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jonathan_206 said: Atkins diet is indeed foolish, and that mercola guy is a quack.
I agree about the atkins diet thing, but what I've read from Mercola I really like and agree with... maybe there's something I don't know?
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Re: Is it necessary to eat bread (products)? [Re: boxcarguy07]
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Re: Is it necessary to eat bread (products)? [Re: JunkFood]
#7536934 - 10/19/07 07:46 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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^^ I'll read it when I get a chnace. Thanks, jonathan.
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Re: Is it necessary to eat bread (products)? [Re: JunkFood]
#7537321 - 10/19/07 09:16 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I wonder if it'd be possible to make a flour from wheat and hempseed/bud? Now that would be one nutritious loaf.
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Re: Is it necessary to eat bread (products)? [Re: Visionary Tools]
#7537348 - 10/19/07 09:24 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah, they have hemp bread, rice bread, spelt bread, kamut bread, you name it.
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Re: Is it necessary to eat bread (products)? [Re: JunkFood]
#7537442 - 10/19/07 09:53 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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the bible does say something about "our daily bread"
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Re: Is it necessary to eat bread (products)? [Re: JunkFood]
#7537496 - 10/19/07 10:21 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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boxcarguy07 said: maybe there's something I don't know?
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7536356#Post7536356
Gah whoops didn't look on the second page!
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Re: Is it necessary to eat bread (products)? [Re: JunkFood]
#7537959 - 10/20/07 12:59 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Whole grains contain many nutrients your body NEEDS to function properly. That said, wheat, barley, and rye contain a peptide called gluten that is very difficult to digest. We humans were never intended to consume gluten, and cereal grains were bread in a very unnatural progression, causing excessive levels of this peptide.
Many products are labeled "gluten-free" due to the fact that many people are wising up to this. Aside from celiac disease, IBS, gluten sensitivity, and other intestinal disorders, gluten-free diets are frequently used in the treatment of behavioral and developmental disorders like autism and ADHD. Even if you DON'T have one of those disorders, gluten is still hard for the body to digest due to its glue-y texture.
The main reason for the growing number of gluten-sensitive people is that we overuse wheat. Just look at the ingredient list of almost ANY food you eat...it's in there! It also goes by some sneaky names like "modified food starch," "vanillin," "mono- and diglycerides," and about 20 others.
While it's hard to do, there are ways to supplement your diet with other grains while avoiding gluten. Corn, quinoa, rice, and a number of other grains are gluten-free and can be used as flour to make all kinds of goodies.
This, believe it or not, is the short answer. For a better understanding on the subject, you'll have to do some research. Type in "Celiac disease" "gluten-related disorders" or some variation into Google or Yahoo! and you'll get a whole slew of hits regarding your question.
But whole grains are still infinitely better for you than processed, refined flours. Anything made with "reduced iron" or "refined white or wheat flour" is not only devoid of nutrients but also robs the body of its existing ones.
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Re: Is it necessary to eat bread (products)? [Re: MK Ultra]
#7537973 - 10/20/07 01:05 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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MK Ultra said: Whole grains contain many nutrients your body NEEDS to function properly
You can get em' all from vegetables, though, can't you? Also, does not wheat in its plant form, wheatgrass, contain all the nutrients in wheat (and then some)?
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Re: Is it necessary to eat bread (products)? [Re: boxcarguy07]
#7538248 - 10/20/07 03:54 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I eat more brown rice than bread.
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Re: Is it necessary to eat bread (products)? [Re: JunkFood]
#7538591 - 10/20/07 08:57 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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You can get em' all from vegetables, though, can't you? Also, does not wheat in its plant form, wheatgrass, contain all the nutrients in wheat (and then some)?
wheatgrass? you mean that stuff they sell in the little containers in health food stores? That's not wheat.
edit: it is wheat..but it's not the seed, it contains vitamins and nutrients..but I don't know if it contains all the ones you need. That's fine if it does. I'm not trying to be a what nazi. I just don't like people like mercola who say wheat is bad. If wheat is bad, how much more then is meat? But he sits on one of the comiteee of one of the biggest pro meat, anti vegetarian groups of the planet. That's why I said amoung other reasons, he has an agenda.
mk ultra,
I can consider what you're saying about gluten being harder to digest. I think that's just natural, honestly. True allergy to gluten is in reality very very rare.It has to have to some truth to it that people are just eating too much. That what one of my posts pointed out in one of the previous posts in this thread.
I can see how people might originally have lived off of a fruitarian/vegetarian diet (esp cause I'm a Christian)..but I have to think that there must have been more to it than that, something we people today are just plain missing today, something that grains help to fill in. Even animals will choose grains over anything else, they know what's good.
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Re: Is it necessary to eat bread (products)? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
#7538623 - 10/20/07 09:15 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Here is an interesting pdf for firefighters about carbs "carbohydrates are the preferred fuel for firefighters"
http://cityofgainesville.org/webportal/portals/lq/docs/Nutrition_CarbohydratesArePreferredFuelInFireFighting.pdf
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Adequate carbohydrate intake also helps prevent protein from being used as energy. If the body doesn’t have enough carbohydrate, protein is broken down to make glucose for energy. Because the primary role of protein is as the building blocks for muscles, bone, skin, hair, and other tissues, relying on protein for energy (by failing to take in adequate carbohydrate) can limit your ability to build and maintain tissues. Additionally, this stresses the kidneys because they have to work harder to eliminate the byproducts of this protein breakdown.
http://sportsmedicine.about.com/od/sportsnutrition/a/Carbohydrates.htm
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Re: Is it necessary to eat bread (products)? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
#7540452 - 10/20/07 07:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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fuck a nigga named bread
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