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Is it necessary to eat bread (products)?
    #7531436 - 10/18/07 02:23 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Cuz.. it's just a man-made thing from plants.

Sure, there are plenty of studies of healthy diets that show that people eating "fruits, vegetables, fish, omega-3 fats, and whole grains" do way better healthwise than those eating the Standard American Diet. But it's a real stretch to attribute those health benefits to the grains. In my opinion, if people were eating plenty of vegetables, fruits, omega-3 fats, and M&Ms they'd still be much healthier than most of America.

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Re: Is it necessary to eat bread (products)? [Re: JunkFood]
    #7531827 - 10/18/07 03:49 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

While the quote is true, it's kind of misleading. Of course someone who eats plenty of vegetables, fruits, omega-3 fats and M&M's will be better off than most Americans, because most Americans eat M&M's, McFatty Burgers, Pizza, and Potatoes... er, chips that is.

Unprocessed whole grains are very healthy. A diet lacking these slow-digesting carbohydrates is lacking indeed.

Check out:

http://www.whfoods.com/foodstoc.php

It goes into detail about the numerous health benefits of various whole grains.


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Re: Is it necessary to eat bread (products)? [Re: JunkFood]
    #7531913 - 10/18/07 04:11 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Whole grains certainly aren't bad for you, and they compliment an incredible amount of other foods. Not to mention that they're delicious. It might (I'm not sure) not be necessary to have grains in your diet, but unless you were allergic, why would you want to avoid them?


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Re: Is it necessary to eat bread (products)? [Re: lukeboots]
    #7531920 - 10/18/07 04:13 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

The guy in the book says they're the same thing as refined grains: The only difference is that they have some fat and some nutrients.


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Re: Is it necessary to eat bread (products)? [Re: JunkFood]
    #7532023 - 10/18/07 04:39 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

idk.

This is from a quick googling.

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A grain is considered whole when all three parts – bran, germ and endosperm – are present. Most people know that fruits and vegetables contain beneficial phytochemicals and antioxidants, but many do not realize that whole grains are often an even better source of these key nutrients. In fact, whole grains are a good source of B vitamins, Vitamin E, magnesium, iron and fiber, as well as other valuable antioxidants not found in some fruits and vegetables. Most of the antioxidants and vitamins are found in the germ and the bran of a grain.




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Re: Is it necessary to eat bread (products)? [Re: lukeboots]
    #7532042 - 10/18/07 04:43 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Well, he touts the health benefits of quinoa and crude groats, but says most bread products are crap.


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Re: Is it necessary to eat bread (products)? [Re: JunkFood]
    #7532110 - 10/18/07 04:56 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I'll ask you again: Why would you want to listen to that advice? Has [whole grain] bread harmed you or made you feel unhealthy?


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Re: Is it necessary to eat bread (products)? [Re: lukeboots]
    #7532126 - 10/18/07 05:01 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Well, I'm a sugar addict, and I experience sugar's ravaging effects; he's saying bread products are right up there with sugar, glycemically.


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Re: Is it necessary to eat bread (products)? [Re: JunkFood]
    #7532376 - 10/18/07 05:55 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

It really depends on the type of bread.  Sprouted wheat bread (made without flour) is extremely nutritious, and very low-GI (glycemic index).  Wonder bread is crap, and very high-GI.  There is no reason to eat white bread or breads made with the addition of unbleached all-purpose flour (aka white).  Whole wheat bread is better, but not as nutritious as sprouted wheat bread.

You can certainly get the benefits of whole grains from OTHER grains, so it is not essential for you to eat bread.  I love sprouted wheat tortillas for making veggie wraps & burritoes, and sprouted wheat toast with a little almond butter is a terrific breakfast.  But each to his/her own. :shrug:


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Re: Is it necessary to eat bread (products)? [Re: Veritas]
    #7532512 - 10/18/07 06:30 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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It really depends on the type of bread.  Sprouted wheat bread (made without flour) is extremely nutritious, and very low-GI (glycemic index).  Wonder bread is crap, and very high-GI.  There is no reason to eat white bread or breads made with the addition of unbleached all-purpose flour (aka white).  Whole wheat bread is better, but not as nutritious as sprouted wheat bread.

You can certainly get the benefits of whole grains from OTHER grains, so it is not essential for you to eat bread.  I love sprouted wheat tortillas for making veggie wraps & burritoes, and sprouted wheat toast with a little almond butter is a terrific breakfast.  But each to his/her own. :shrug:




Exactly! Most breads are crap. Even ones that say whole wheat are usually processed, stripped of nutrients, then "enriched" with artificial, inferior nutrients.

Sprouted grains FTW! Look in your grocer's freezer section for Ezekiel Bread. Healthy, low glycemic, complete protein... what more could you want? (except maybe a lower price)


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Re: Is it necessary to eat bread (products)? [Re: JunkFood]
    #7532538 - 10/18/07 06:35 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Wouldn't it be healthier to eat the plant from which the bread is made? Not tastier, but healthier :grin:


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Re: Is it necessary to eat bread (products)? [Re: JunkFood]
    #7532557 - 10/18/07 06:38 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

With sprouted grains, you ARE eating the plant, as well as the beneficial oils & protein in the "seed" (grain kernel).


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Re: Is it necessary to eat bread (products)? [Re: Veritas]
    #7532579 - 10/18/07 06:44 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I've been eating nothing but sprouted grains (in terms of grains) for a while now :grin:



The thing is, bread itself is a cooked product. So, this bread is like cooked, frozen vegetables, if you wanna compare it to vegetables, isn't it?


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Re: Is it necessary to eat bread (products)? [Re: JunkFood]
    #7534676 - 10/19/07 09:48 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Yes, if you have to buy it frozen.  My local co-op has a high enough turnover rate that they can sell it on the shelves.  Even cooked, frozen veggies are an improvement over pure starch (white flour), though.  :shrug:


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Re: Is it necessary to eat bread (products)? [Re: JunkFood]
    #7534686 - 10/19/07 09:51 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I agree with what Veritas said.

As for your question.. it's not necessary to eat bread.. but in my opinion no well balanced diet is complete without whole grains.
It's the bottom of the food pyramid (however inaccurate it may be..) and been eaten since the dawn of time for good reason. It's an ideal source of carbs (energy).

The problem with most bread is that it is made with refined flours. Grains that have been stripped of the husk and germ, processed and bleached and contain virtually no nutrional content. So that all the life-giving properties of the whole grain are virtually removed.

Sprouted grains (and sprouts in general) are the best for you.. I believe I read somewhere that sprouts contain the highest concentration of nutrients as opposed to the full grown plant. A good example would be alfalfa sprouts. While alfalfa is extremely nutritious, alfalfa sprouts are even more packed with concentrated nutrients.


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Re: Is it necessary to eat bread (products)? [Re: Shroomism]
    #7534720 - 10/19/07 10:03 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Yes, broccoli sprouts have 35 times more sulforophane (a potent antioxidant) by volume than full-grown broccoli.  To put that in perspective, ONE broccoli sprout contains all the sulforophane that is present in an entire bunch of broccoli!  They are delicious on sandwiches, or you can put them in mixed veggie juice.

Also, just to clarify my position on whole grains: there are many more grains besides wheat and brown rice, and it is worthwhile to investigate them & to vary the types you regularly consume.  Wheat and rice are common allergens, as they are often fed too early to infants as "baby cereal." :tongue:  Allergic reactions can be subtle, especially if you've been experiencing them every day of your life, so pay attention to your mood and health during a 2-week wheat and rice "break."  If you notice an improvement, it would be smart to eliminate these grains from your diet.


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Re: Is it necessary to eat bread (products)? [Re: JunkFood]
    #7534818 - 10/19/07 10:37 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Carbohydrates are the preferred fuel of the body. whole grains are the best carbohydrates. You can live without them, but you will not be as healthy.


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Re: Is it necessary to eat bread (products)? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
    #7535619 - 10/19/07 01:51 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Atkins diet is satan.


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Re: Is it necessary to eat bread (products)? [Re: Shroomism]
    #7536174 - 10/19/07 04:21 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Atkins diet is indeed foolish, and that mercola guy is a quack.



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Re: Is it necessary to eat bread (products)? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
    #7536184 - 10/19/07 04:22 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Why do you say that?


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