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How important is light?
    #7530819 - 10/18/07 10:58 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

How important is light. My monotub is starting to pin I was wondering can it just get 10 min of light a day and not have any different effect than having 12 hours of light. Will my outcome be that much better having 12hrs compared to 10 min of light a day.


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Re: How important is light? [Re: HUBSonDUBS]
    #7530980 - 10/18/07 11:51 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I read in a book that they need around 8 hours of light a day
some will disagree with this. also the amount of light needed is small
the book said if you can see in the room they have enough light.
it really doesnt need to be bright a desk lamp is more than enough light


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Re: How important is light? [Re: orchidfanatic]
    #7531018 - 10/18/07 12:03 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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I read in a book that they need around 8 hours of light a day
some will disagree with this. also the amount of light needed is small
the book said if you can see in the room they have enough light.
it really doesnt need to be bright a desk lamp is more than enough light




what orchid said

shrooms aren't about photosynthesis, like plants, the light is an idicator as to which direction to grow.


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Re: How important is light? [Re: jeetered]
    #7531032 - 10/18/07 12:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

well, while absolutely right about mushrooms not needing much light, they do benefit from a cool blue spectrum bright light, that adequately penetrates the casing layer effectively, causing more primordia to be formed.

in addition, while not needing a full 8 or 12 hours of light, it absolutely benefits the mushroom to have as close to a natural circadian rhythm as possible.


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Re: How important is light? [Re: jeetered]
    #7531033 - 10/18/07 12:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

There was a thread not so long ago about light's importance.. w/ almost this exact question...

check RR's posts, he had a very informative post on the importance of light.

8-12hrs/day of 5000k-7500k light is ideal, if i remember correctly.

Westinghouse and other companies make 6000k Aquarium lights for a fluoro as small as 18"...

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Re: How important is light? [Re: Yoschie99]
    #7531043 - 10/18/07 12:09 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

dead on accurate yoschie.
that post, in addition a couple books pinpoints optimal primordia formation at that intensity and length.


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Re: How important is light? [Re: orchidfanatic]
    #7531281 - 10/18/07 01:38 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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I read in a book that they need around 8 hours of light a day
some will disagree with this. also the amount of light needed is small
the book said if you can see in the room they have enough light.
it really doesnt need to be bright a desk lamp is more than enough light




Which is exactly why you must be careful with what you read around here, because that sentence is 100% wrong. There is a huge difference in a mediocre harvest, and a wall to wall flush. Search for your anwser. I refuse to type the whole darn thing all over again every week just because the thread is no longer on the front page.
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Re: How important is light? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7531336 - 10/18/07 01:55 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Roger.. there are lots of threads dealing with every aspect of the lifecycle. Someone should put together an in depth FAQ.. oh wait.. nevermind.. i found it...


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Re: How important is light? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7531370 - 10/18/07 02:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Quote:

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I read in a book that they need around 8 hours of light a day
some will disagree with this. also the amount of light needed is small
the book said if you can see in the room they have enough light.
it really doesnt need to be bright a desk lamp is more than enough light




Which is exactly why you must be careful with what you read around here, because that sentence is 100% wrong. There is a huge difference in a mediocre harvest, and a wall to wall flush. Search for your anwser. I refuse to type the whole darn thing all over again every week just because the thread is no longer on the front page.
RR




it was out of the book Psilcybin mushroom handbook by LG nicholas and Kerry Ogame

so I will search for this thread you mentioned RR


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Re: How important is light? [Re: orchidfanatic]
    #7531380 - 10/18/07 02:10 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

staments says 16 on 8 off..


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Re: How important is light? [Re: orchidfanatic]
    #7531492 - 10/18/07 02:36 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I say, if you have information then give it out freely, when was the last time you tried to search for something specific in the archives Roger?

It is absolutely overwhelming with incongruent facts.

It is not easy for a noob to find specific answers.

The FAQ could be updated big time!


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Re: How important is light? [Re: Captain Cubensis]
    #7531515 - 10/18/07 02:40 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Also, if the answer is always, search the boards, it is in there, then what are we doing on this message board?

To take the time to tell someone they are "100% wrong", then offer no correct answer seems...hmmm...unmoderatorish?

Why not just ignore the post, or say, "search this term".


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Re: How important is light? [Re: Captain Cubensis]
    #7531567 - 10/18/07 02:51 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I found this in half the time that it took you to compose your first post. Guaranteed.

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The outright disinformation being presented as advice in this thread is quite unbelievable.

Light has absolutely NOTHING to do with telling the mycelium that it has reached the surface. The increased fresh air, with the corresponding drop in CO2 levels sends the mycelium that message.

Light is also NOT just to establish the direction the fruits grow. In fact, air currents have a greater effect on direction of growth than light. If you doubt this, place a fan on your crop and watch.

A few seconds of light per day will NOT help to generate a good pinset. In fact, light is a secondary pinning trigger, but an important one. The difference between three or four pins, and hundreds of pins on a substrate can be directly correlated to the length, intensity, and frequency of the light applied, provided the primary pinning triggers have been fulfilled.

The light needs to be intense enough to penetrate 1/2" into the substrate. Not all pins form on the surface. Many originate from deeper in the substrate or casing layer.

Higher frequency light above a color temperature of 5,000 Kelvin will generate far more pins than a 'red' source of light such as incandescent lamps.

Fungi is a living organism that is much more closely related to mammals such as humans, than to plants. People need to quit looking at mycelium as a different kind of plant, which it isn't. Mycelium has been shown to have circadian rhythms just like mammals, and this is the reason that 12/12 light cycles work best. This planet, and all surface life on it are based on the 24 hour day. For best results, learn to work with nature rather than against it. Mycelium has an amazing ability to cope with less than optimal conditions, and will often fruit when a grower does everything wrong. However, do everything right and watch your performance go through the roof.
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Re: How important is light? [Re: Bacchus]
    #7531580 - 10/18/07 02:54 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

True enough, but all he had to say was 12/12, which would have been even quicker yet than any of these posts.


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Re: How important is light? [Re: Captain Cubensis]
    #7531671 - 10/18/07 03:10 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I'm sure you would have found a reason to complain.


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Re: How important is light? [Re: Captain Cubensis]
    #7531752 - 10/18/07 03:30 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Also, if the answer is always, search the boards, it is in there, then what are we doing on this message board?

To take the time to tell someone they are "100% wrong", then offer no correct answer seems...hmmm...unmoderatorish?

Why not just ignore the post, or say, "search this term".



I agree completely,  today he seems "grumpy"  :whack:


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Re: How important is light? [Re: orchidfanatic]
    #7532252 - 10/18/07 05:25 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I am grumpy today. I'm sick with the flu. :mad2:  However, the boards are here to study and learn.  They're not here to spoon feed each and every step of the way to those with no desire to learn.  I've long recommended to every new grower to spend a few hours, reading back twenty to fifty pages in this forum.  If you'll do that, you will learn more in an afternoon than you could learn in a month of asking questions one at a time.

Light is extremely important to good mushroom formation, and it's nothing to do with which way is up.  Gravity takes care of that function.  The post quoted above is only one of many times I've typed that.

The problem is every time this question gets asked, people repeat the same 'stuff they've read' and thus if one of us fails to catch the misinformation, then somebody gets a grow compromised by using a desk lamp or some other less than desirable lighting source, rather than the best possible lighting.

There's enough confusing points in mushroom growing to keep a board like this busy forever. Ask about things you're not sure of, or of the details you don't understand after searching. However, for the basic questions, the answers are all right here at your fingertips.  Good luck to all.  I'll try to be less pissy.
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Re: How important is light? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7532301 - 10/18/07 05:37 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

hope you start feeling better soon RR .
you made a lot of good points too.


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Re: How important is light? [Re: Captain Cubensis]
    #7532756 - 10/18/07 07:26 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

you're all nitpicking RR's post, or lack of.. it's all null.. the info was given already .. just not in great specifics (in this thread)...

"search" is a valid answer when it's quite apparent that no independent studying was done, IMO... if everyone did that, it would make for a lot less BS to wade through for those who do search.

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Re: How important is light? [Re: Yoschie99]
    #7532790 - 10/18/07 07:38 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Idea:

Make a sticky on light (and ALL the other basics)

Maybe it's just me but when coming here and learning this all for the 1st time it was hard because there weren't many sources that gave an overview of the basics - it's just all a bunch of teks mishmashed together.

Stickies on the basic concepts of cultivation would eliminate a ton of noob posts, including some of mine most likely


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Re: How important is light? [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7532894 - 10/18/07 08:06 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Doesn't anybody want to learn any more?Everybody wants instant gratification.If you cant take the time to search then maybe you need an easier hobby,like learning how to navigate forums.:rolleyes:
What we need is a sticky that tells all new ppl not to ask any questions until you search first.
BTW this wasn't meant to single any one person out,it was an observation.:runaway:


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