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advanced fruiting chamber?
    #7530291 - 10/18/07 07:09 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

hi all,


so ive doing ym first grow, with pf-tek, im on my 2nd flush with 2 cakes and one has just gone in the frutiing chamber,  when those have finished, i want to do it on a  bigger scale, so i need to make a cheap automated incubtaor, as my dad has said i can do on a larger scale at his house instead of my GF :laugh:, which means Hpoo and WBS casing, and lots of cakes,

so i need a automatic fruting chamber, i already have a ultrasonic humdifier, so i belive it will have to be done in a think box

this is the ultra sonic himdifier i bought HERE

also ive been looking for c heap rubber maid boxes in the uk, anyone got any ideaS?

this need alot of planning, and you lot are so experianced im jelous :frown:


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Re: advanced fruiting chamber? [Re: 2play]
    #7530298 - 10/18/07 07:14 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

the ebay sale says it generates a coolmist, but its ultrasonic??

http://www.biotopes.fr/images/mat_brumisateur_exo_fogger2.jpg

theres a pic of the product and also the thing its self looks shit tbh


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Re: advanced fruiting chamber? [Re: 2play]
    #7530378 - 10/18/07 08:08 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Its fine.. Its ultrasonic. it will create a cool fog. It will rais humidity


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Re: advanced fruiting chamber? [Re: Slimz]
    #7530382 - 10/18/07 08:10 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

right so how cna i incorparate this into a fruting chamber, what cna i combine this with, so its fully sutomatic?


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Re: advanced fruiting chamber? [Re: 2play]
    #7530388 - 10/18/07 08:14 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

a programable timer one that you can set for duration of time for the fogger to be on and off. lights with a timer if needed .. if it is bright enough to see there is already enough light.

use the search engine for "martha" and read read read


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Re: advanced fruiting chamber? [Re: 2play]
    #7530390 - 10/18/07 08:16 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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2play said:
the ebay sale says it generates a coolmist, but its ultrasonic??

http://www.biotopes.fr/images/mat_brumisateur_exo_fogger2.jpg

theres a pic of the product and also the thing its self looks shit tbh



you are better off with an ultra sonic humidifier that you can pump the fog into the chamber by means of a hose.. the other fogger will work but requires either standing water in the chamber or a separte chamber with a fan to blow the fog into the FC


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Re: advanced fruiting chamber? [Re: 2play]
    #7530411 - 10/18/07 08:28 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

buy a greenhouse, some hose and a cheap coolmist humidifier. ultrasonic pieces like you bought are overboard and will require more work to get it to really do what you want. those don't provide FAE, a coolmist will. also, if you are doing casings then you won't need that much humidity anyway (and fuck cakes, waste of time). follow this link and look at the greenhouse setup, cost less than $100 and very effective.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/6406394/page/0/fpart/1/vc/1


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Re: advanced fruiting chamber? [Re: orchidfanatic]
    #7530420 - 10/18/07 08:32 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i was thinking about this:





i have my old bedroom at dad pratically its big, so size isnt a big issue. i was thinking about hooking it up to a timer so its automated, i was planning on using a pc case fan, how can i mod this to run off the ultra sonic or mains?


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Re: advanced fruiting chamber? [Re: 2play]
    #7530571 - 10/18/07 09:25 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

yeah that will work great someone posted a FC just like that how to make it it was a good tek ..


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Re: advanced fruiting chamber? [Re: orchidfanatic]
    #7530750 - 10/18/07 10:31 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

For a cheap automated Incubator all you need is a Fish Tank Heater and 2 tubs of the same size (big or small depending on how much your incubating at once). Fish Tank Heater goes on the bottom of the first tub with water in it, with the 2nd tub on top with a temperature gauge inside. 80-83 degrees fahrenheit is fine, dont get it too hot. Thats just to speed up colonization though.

My thoughts on moving on to a bigger scale:
Make Monotubs. All you need is a tub with 4-8 holes in it 1-2" in size, stuffed with polyfill. Of course the inside should be wiped down with rubbing alcohol then a new black trash bag placed on the bottom (easy cleanup). Then you add spawn (jars) and substrate. let colonize fully. case. colonize 3 days. expose to fruiting conditions (12/12 light schedule, and it wouldn't hurt to fan the terrarium if theres a ton of condensation.). Most people open monotubs 3 times and thats it, to spawn, case, and harvest. But I just leave 4 polyfill holes just above the casing layer and fan it anyways. Helps keep contaminations out and humidity around 90%+.

Monotubs are the cheapest to make if you want an advanced fruiting chamber. You'll get alot more for less with a monotub. As long as you sterilize/pasteurize correctly and provide the right conditions you'll be fine.

The other option is the martha, which is not stealthy enough for my likings but your situation may differ. If you have a closet in your room it can easily be transformed into a grow closet. I would stack monotubs on racks but I'd have to leave my door closed all the time. Much rather keep them on the side of my bed or up high.

as for rubbermaid tubs, wal-mart has them here in the US, try looking at any stores like that (Krogers, for example). I prefer all clear ones, foil and duct tape added to the outside to prevent side-pinning.

Or get some online, expensive but I was dumb enough to order 2 tubs and they work fine after I drilled 8x 2.25" holes in the sides and used a sawzall to cut out most of the lid. duct tape and saran wrap used to make the top see-through. Opaque Tubs work too, you just need a friend with power tools and some ingenuity.

I wouldn't even use the humidifier unless theres a martha to hook it up to. I had nothing but trouble with them in the past. either use perlite, geolite, or go bulk and your casing will provide the humidity. When the humidifier runs out of water it pumps dry air into the FC, lowering R/H. Also unless you have a HEPA filter, its going to pump moist unfiltered air in there 24/7 (Tropicaire system does this... SHITTY system).


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Re: advanced fruiting chamber? [Re: ButterWeasels]
    #7530763 - 10/18/07 10:37 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

where can i get a HEPA filter from in the uk?


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Re: advanced fruiting chamber? [Re: 2play]
    #7530768 - 10/18/07 10:41 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

you dont need a hepa for the FC just polyfill will work


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Re: advanced fruiting chamber? [Re: 2play]
    #7530770 - 10/18/07 10:42 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

usually they come with the humidifier, or at least mine did. it goes in the back and filters out contams etc. from blowing into your FC/Martha. I would honestly just start a few monotubs and forget about the humidifier for now until you're experienced at growing in bulk, then get a martha and hook the humidifier up to it. Up to you though, I like to work my way up that way I dont bite off more than I can chew.


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Re: advanced fruiting chamber? [Re: 2play]
    #7530786 - 10/18/07 10:47 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Also unless you have a HEPA filter, its going to pump moist unfiltered air in there 24/7




That really isn't a problem, you know. The more FAE the better.

My 5 tier greenhouse is run by a single coolmsit on a timer. The coolmist is inside the GH on the bottom shelf with the intake facing out the rolled up bottom of the flap.

The more air (filtered or not) you can blow into an FC without lowering RH the better. You have a ton of mold spores in your grow area, but mold wants stale air to germinate, hence FAE!

For my money and time I think a few greenhouses is a WAY better growing system than monotubs. I've used both, but IME the greenhouse is more effective, efficient, cheaper, and WAY easier to clean than a butt-load of monotubs.


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Re: advanced fruiting chamber? [Re: ButterWeasels]
    #7530798 - 10/18/07 10:51 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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usually they come with the humidifier




You mean those little filters that fit into the intake? I'm pretty sure they're useless. I remove mine to increase output of the unit.


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Re: advanced fruiting chamber? [Re: simplemachine]
    #7530813 - 10/18/07 10:56 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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That really isn't a problem, you know. The more FAE the better.

My 5 tier greenhouse is run by a single coolmsit on a timer. The coolmist is inside the GH on the bottom shelf with the intake facing out the rolled up bottom of the flap.

The more air (filtered or not) you can blow into an FC without lowering RH the better. You have a ton of mold spores in your grow area, but mold wants stale air to germinate, hence FAE!

For my money and time I think a few greenhouses is a WAY better growing system than monotubs. I've used both, but IME the greenhouse is more effective, efficient, cheaper, and WAY easier to clean than a butt-load of monotubs.




Eh very true. When I ramble on I tend to make mistakes lol. But yea I agree with you, that is why I open my monotubs during pinning/fruiting. Mist the casing layer indirectly before pinning, spray side walls when pins form, I stop misting altogether 1-2 days into fruiting and just fan it, it stays humid as hell in there by itself.


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