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Captain Cubensis
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Re: Placing the Casing right in the FC? *DELETED* [Re: monstermitch]
#7543375 - 10/21/07 03:55 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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monstermitch
Growing in Bags Doesn't Work



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if what you are saying is true, this whole planet would suffocate in co2. it would sink to the surface and kill us all. if the air was completely still, you might have an argument, but it's not.
so we can agree to disagree on this one.
as for the standing water: we can agree to disagree on that too. aside from the RH disagreement, what about it being a blatant breeding ground for mold and bacteria? peroxide won't stop that. so what do you plan on using? bleach or iodine is a better choice for you.
and about perlite: you don't have to use perlite. you can use geolite or lava rocks. perlite is superior because of it's vast surface area...
you know what... you sound like a monotub kind of guy. why not stop complaining and fighting the advice you're getting about building a proper pmp... and make monotubs??!!??
no perlite, no humidification substance, no fanning, no worries. sounds like your kind of operation to me.
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mycocurious
Mike O. Kuerias



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Re: Placing the Casing right in the FC? [Re: monstermitch]
#7544301 - 10/21/07 07:48 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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CO2 only filters out of the air in still-air environments where there are no air currents whatsoever to mix it up...
As for the technical-grade (35%) H2O2 you're using, it might seem all cool and super effective but the first time you get a chemical burn from the shit you'll get over it real++ quick. You also have to have a HazMat license to ship or transport it so it tends to be annoying getting it after a while - or you get raped on the shipping.
As for the standing water, you results may vary and you may have great faith in it but I personally would not ever allow any standing water in my greenhouse or terrarium. Several inches of well drained perlite has always been more than effective for me and it requires no standing water.
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Don't mistake my tone for a "matter-of-fact" attitude. I'm just presenting what I believe to be correct, until I'm corrected... - How Myco-Curious Prepares Coir & Compost Substrates - How Myco-Curious Builds A Bulk Humidifier - How Myco-Curious Builds An Automated Greenhouse ------------------------------------ figgusfiddus said: Keep in mind that inoculating or whatever in front of a flow hood won't help your bad substrate, your bad inoculant, your bad sterile procedure, etc. etc. etc. It's not a +3 flowhood of magic, it's just a tool.
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Captain Cubensis
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Re: Placing the Casing right in the FC? *DELETED* [Re: mycocurious]
#7544656 - 10/21/07 09:12 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Post deleted by Captain CubensisReason for deletion: noob ignorance
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nw_shroomy
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Why do you ask a question if you think you already know the answer? Just by reading some of your threads ,it seems like you are just trying to argue why your right and everyone else's ways are wrong. Mushrooms can be grown under many different perimeters.As long as you are happy with your results.I just hope some other noobs dont read this and think "this is the best way to grow".Standing water.lol Hopefully this will be the end of another one of your debates about who's ways better.GL
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shroomerite
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Re: Placing the Casing right in the FC? [Re: nw_shroomy]
#7544951 - 10/21/07 10:27 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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You achieve a high RH by water evaporating into the air. If you use standing water then your surface area of water/air contact is limited to only the surface of the standing water. Rinsed, well drained perlite allows for a much larger surface area of water/air contact thus getting a higher evaporation rate, achieving a higher humidty level without standing water. I know you feel this will work, but the best advice I can give is "experiment". When ever you cant find the answers from someone giving them to you then by all means, find out for yourself what works best for you. Nothing more definite than trial and error.
Also standing water allows for a still enviorment beneth the waters surface. This is why contams are proned to grow in it as opposed to perlite which gets more air exhange through evaporation. This makes it less contam prone.
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Captain Cubensis
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Re: Placing the Casing right in the FC? *DELETED* [Re: shroomerite]
#7544971 - 10/21/07 10:32 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Post deleted by Captain CubensisReason for deletion: Lame
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xaxphaanes
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What was the point of this thread if all you are going to do is argue. All we are saying is that standing water is more "prone" to "contam".Perlite doesnt contam since it doesnt have any nutes and there is a constant evaporation going on with standing water "most" of it just sits there and waits for bacteria to move in.
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mycocurious
Mike O. Kuerias



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Captain Cubensis said: Yeah I see your points but, it seems like you are saying this:
1/2 inch of water = contamination problem 1/2 inch of wet perlite = no contamination problem
Does the perlite have an antiseptic property?
In a fashion, yes. The hundreds pico-liter sized nooks and crannies that a single piece of perlite has are all too small to hold both water _and_ and a contaminate. Should a contaminate land on one of those areas and - almost immediately - begin to germinate it will quickly run out of it's water supply and die/go dormant.
Ultimately, while perlite does not have an antiseptic nature, the degree of isolation it creates between the millions of water droplets it can "hold" *is* is helping to prevent contaminations from spreading. It's also why everyone tells you to keep your substrates/cakes off and away from the perlite.\
--- And for the record, anything less than 4" of perlite is likely going to be too little to properly humidify your terrarium/greenhouse - but I'm sure that was for the sake of the argument and nothing more.
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Don't mistake my tone for a "matter-of-fact" attitude. I'm just presenting what I believe to be correct, until I'm corrected... - How Myco-Curious Prepares Coir & Compost Substrates - How Myco-Curious Builds A Bulk Humidifier - How Myco-Curious Builds An Automated Greenhouse ------------------------------------ figgusfiddus said: Keep in mind that inoculating or whatever in front of a flow hood won't help your bad substrate, your bad inoculant, your bad sterile procedure, etc. etc. etc. It's not a +3 flowhood of magic, it's just a tool.
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Captain Cubensis
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Re: Placing the Casing right in the FC? [Re: mycocurious]
#7546646 - 10/22/07 12:16 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Are you saying that the nooks in perlite are so small the only one molecule can fit in them?
Mold spores are less then 3 microns across aren't they?
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mycocurious
Mike O. Kuerias



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Captain Cubensis said: Are you saying that the nooks in perlite are so small the only one molecule can fit in them?
Mold spores are less then 3 microns across aren't they?
I was trying to give you a relative unit of measure rather than an absolute. But since we're going to be splitting hairs...while I can't find the precise "molecule count" of a picoliter of water it's still going to be several thousand water molecules in size.
picoliter = 10-12 of one liter... or 0.00000000001th of one liter, whichever is easier to read.
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Don't mistake my tone for a "matter-of-fact" attitude. I'm just presenting what I believe to be correct, until I'm corrected... - How Myco-Curious Prepares Coir & Compost Substrates - How Myco-Curious Builds A Bulk Humidifier - How Myco-Curious Builds An Automated Greenhouse ------------------------------------ figgusfiddus said: Keep in mind that inoculating or whatever in front of a flow hood won't help your bad substrate, your bad inoculant, your bad sterile procedure, etc. etc. etc. It's not a +3 flowhood of magic, it's just a tool.
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Captain Cubensis
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Re: Placing the Casing right in the FC? [Re: mycocurious]
#7547061 - 10/22/07 02:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I get you, no need to split hairs.
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Captain Cubensis
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Case and Place with no incubation [Re: monstermitch]
#7945861 - 01/28/08 03:39 PM (16 years, 4 days ago) |
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Let's update this thread, cause really man, if you search on it, you will find 99% Hyphae's, and a mixed bag of peeps who don't incubate, patch, and place, just case and place.
What are people doing now? Teks evolve, ideas change, is Hyphae's still the only way to go? Or should I say, can you skip the incubate and patch stage, since aggressive myc will enter the casing layer in 3-5 days in an FC or an incubator.
Say you spawn 2 quarts of rye to 4 quarts of coir/verm+.
What are your experiences with placing the cased substrate directly into an FC without any incubation period.
The casing layer is 50/50+, and maybe 1/4 inch thick on average.
The FC is a Shotgun style with perlite.
Edited by Captain Cubensis (01/28/08 03:47 PM)
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psilonaut2000
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Re: Placing the Casing right in the FC? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#9998358 - 03/18/09 10:46 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Captain Cubensis said: No one seems to know?
This exact question has been answered so many times that nobody wants to type it all over again. The search function is your friend. You can learn way more in a shorter period of time following searches, then you can by asking each question that comes to mind. RR
RR your the man however, sometimes the lack of intelligence the "search" engine is instilled with, makes it difficult for the average shroomery enthusiast to use with helpful results! I cant remember how many times I spent hours trying to find answers and teks and the most ridiculous search results came up. Then when I finally found someone who asked my same question, everyone dissed them and said " learn how to use the search engine, that question has been answered a billion times."
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freespeech
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Re: Placing the Casing right in the FC? [Re: psilonaut2000]
#9998461 - 03/18/09 11:04 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Captain Cubensis said: No one seems to know?
This exact question has been answered so many times that nobody wants to type it all over again. The search function is your friend. You can learn way more in a shorter period of time following searches, then you can by asking each question that comes to mind. RR
RR your the man however, sometimes the lack of intelligence the "search" engine is instilled with, makes it difficult for the average shroomery enthusiast to use with helpful results! I cant remember how many times I spent hours trying to find answers and teks and the most ridiculous search results came up. Then when I finally found someone who asked my same question, everyone dissed them and said " learn how to use the search engine, that question has been answered a billion times."
So now that you've figured out how to search, how much time are you going to spend reviving old dead threads?
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psilonaut2000
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Re: Placing the Casing right in the FC? [Re: freespeech]
#10042652 - 03/25/09 11:01 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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do my actions bother you, you seem to have replied to a reply to a dead thread so.............I was drunk whats your excuse
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