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Which poisonous mushrooms fit the exact same ID criteria as P. cubensis?
    #7528172 - 10/17/07 03:18 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

just for informative reasons, which would probably be saving someones life, i need to know what mushroom fits all the exact same criteria as a cubensis
1. golden top
2. bruising.
3. purple spores
4. dung or straw habitat

and is deadly poisonous.
if there is such a mushroom this neeeds to be stickied.

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Re: Which poisonous mushrooms fit the exact same ID criteria as P. cubensis? [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #7528224 - 10/17/07 03:34 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

If it grew from dung, bruises an obvious blue, has a "golden top", a purple/brown veil, and brown gills... It's a cube.


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Re: Which poisonous mushrooms fit the exact same ID criteria as P. cubensis? [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #7528234 - 10/17/07 03:36 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

None. Purple spores and blue bruising are the defining characteristics.

There are some look alikes like C. molybdites, some Agaricus and a stropharia or two, I think that's about it.


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Re: Which poisonous mushrooms fit the exact same ID criteria as P. cubensis? [Re: LouiseLouise]
    #7528269 - 10/17/07 03:42 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

so if i asked an expert mycologist they would say the same?


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Re: Which poisonous mushrooms fit the exact same ID criteria as P. cubensis? [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #7528379 - 10/17/07 04:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

if they didn't, I woudn't call them an expert. Show me a mushroom that exhibits all the same criteria, yet is poisonous, and I'll stop hunting mushrooms immediately.


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Re: Which poisonous mushrooms fit the exact same ID criteria as P. cubensis? [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #7528396 - 10/17/07 04:12 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

It defiantly sounds like a cube, and yes I'd agree there isn't a poisonous mushroom that exhibits those characteristics. Providing your not misidentifying those characteristics of course.


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Re: Which poisonous mushrooms fit the exact same ID criteria as P. cubensis? [Re: PinheadX]
    #7528445 - 10/17/07 04:27 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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if they didn't, I woudn't call them an expert. Show me a mushroom that exhibits all the same criteria, yet is poisonous, and I'll stop hunting mushrooms immediately.





same here.


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Re: Which poisonous mushrooms fit the exact same ID criteria as P. cubensis? [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #7528721 - 10/17/07 05:48 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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so if i asked an expert mycologist they would say the same?




Yep. There is an either Agaricus or Stropharia that grow in the same habitat and can look very similar (I'd hafta do a little research on that) Yessup has some pics of these somewhere.
Though, I do not think they are poisonous. Wine caps come to mind (they are edible).
None of these mushrooms will bruise blue, but green gills can stain green and be deceptive to somebody hopeful and inexperienced.


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Re: Which poisonous mushrooms fit the exact same ID criteria as P. cubensis? [Re: LouiseLouise]
    #7528736 - 10/17/07 05:52 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

One time I was hunting in a cow pasture in Gainesville Florida with the Shroom Wizard and friends, and on the way out of the field (in an open pasture) I started finding some type of Stropharia mushrooms growing directly from dung. The first few I actually put in my bag because I thought they were Cubes. Then I found more and realized they had no signs of blue staining on them, but I've never seen a mushroom mimick Cubensis so well. I never saw them growing again in any other pastures either. They sure fooled me at first, and I had plenty of Mushroom Hunting experience under my belt at that point. I wish I could have took pictures of them. I also found a few real Cubies growing in close proximity... I am unsure of the identity and edibility of the Stropharia I speak of.


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Re: Which poisonous mushrooms fit the exact same ID criteria as P. cubensis? [Re: GGreatOne234]
    #7528815 - 10/17/07 06:22 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

for my first shroom hunt, a supposed "good friend" took me hunting in a pasture, in a town where actives dont usually grow on dung(neither of us probably knew this at the time). he ended up handing me a giant chlorophyllum molybdites, saying how they were active because of the green. he also said "you get the days finds", "since its your first time hunting"

i spent a few days in a hospital bed with a bag tied around my waist like a feedbag to catch the explosive (and i mean 2-3ft squirts) contractions of blood and diarrhea, as well as a full-on flush with activated charcoal and tubes running down my throat...
not to mention i felt as if i hadnt slept in days, it was exhausting and painful.

i approached that kid a few days after i got out and told him what happened and he could have cared less, ever since then ive been hunting and ID'ing shrooms for people and friends who want to know if its safe to eat what they have.
not to mention i jumped out of a car with a 2x4 and broke that kids arm with it one day when i saw him walking down the street, told him ide gladly do it again for every person who he gives random mushrooms too, and left him there. never saw him in that town again.

even if u dont know every single mushroom, as long as u know what all the desired ones look like, their poisonous lookalikes, and how to tell them apart by certain features, its fairly easy to guide people and yourself safely.

if theres any deadly lookalikes, they are usually mentioned here all the time.

and it all comes down to one rule, if your not 100% sure what you have is ok to consume, simply dont consume it. even taking someone else's word could spell trouble, the best thing u can do is educate yourself.


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Re: Which poisonous mushrooms fit the exact same ID criteria as P. cubensis? [Re: GGreatOne234]
    #7528819 - 10/17/07 06:23 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Stropharia hornemanni?, it looks very similar to cubensis.


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Re: Which poisonous mushrooms fit the exact same ID criteria as P. cubensis? [Re: CptnGarden]
    #7528940 - 10/17/07 07:02 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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for my first shroom hunt, a supposed "good friend" took me hunting in a pasture, in a town where actives dont usually grow on dung(neither of us probably knew this at the time). he ended up handing me a giant chlorophyllum molybdites, saying how they were active because of the green. he also said "you get the days finds", "since its your first time hunting"

i spent a few days in a hospital bed with a bag tied around my waist like a feedbag to catch the explosive (and i mean 2-3ft squirts) contractions of blood and diarrhea, as well as a full-on flush with activated charcoal and tubes running down my throat...
not to mention i felt as if i hadnt slept in days, it was exhausting and painful.

i approached that kid a few days after i got out and told him what happened and he could have cared less, ever since then ive been hunting and ID'ing shrooms for people and friends who want to know if its safe to eat what they have.
not to mention i jumped out of a car with a 2x4 and broke that kids arm with it one day when i saw him walking down the street, told him ide gladly do it again for every person who he gives random mushrooms too, and left him there. never saw him in that town again.





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Damn! You did the right thing.  :whack:


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Re: Which poisonous mushrooms fit the exact same ID criteria as P. cubensis? [Re: falcon]
    #7529066 - 10/17/07 07:40 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Good call :cool:
To the Cap'n and Falcon.
Stropharia hornemanni do look alot like cubes, of coarse they would not bruise blue.
These weren't the ones Yessup and I had talks about, those strike me more as agaricus, I'll see if I can find some pics.


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Re: Which poisonous mushrooms fit the exact same ID criteria as P. cubensis? [Re: GGreatOne234]
    #7529076 - 10/17/07 07:43 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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One time I was hunting in a cow pasture in Gainesville Florida with the Shroom Wizard and friends, and on the way out of the field (in an open pasture) I started finding some type of Stropharia mushrooms growing directly from dung. The first few I actually put in my bag because I thought they were Cubes. Then I found more and realized they had no signs of blue staining on them, but I've never seen a mushroom mimick Cubensis so well. I never saw them growing again in any other pastures either. They sure fooled me at first, and I had plenty of Mushroom Hunting experience under my belt at that point. I wish I could have took pictures of them. I also found a few real Cubies growing in close proximity... I am unsure of the identity and edibility of the Stropharia I speak of.




I have found a mushroom that matches a cube perfectly but no sign of bruising occurs. My friend had also had found one that did not bruise even hours after being picked, but otherwise looked like a cube. The ones I found were growing out of dung.


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Re: Which poisonous mushrooms fit the exact same ID criteria as P. cubensis? [Re: Cow Shit]
    #7529078 - 10/17/07 07:44 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Ive found strophiara that looked quite similar to cubes. Im pretty sure they had a purple spore print too. But no bruising. And they were not growing out of feces.


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