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boomer q
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Re: Save the Shrooms! [Re: jet li]
#7530444 - 10/18/07 08:42 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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jet li said: If they were legal, more people would have a shroom education.
? i dont even know what this means... they were legal, and the dopey girl wasent smart enough to educate herself about what she was putting in her body... thats a failing on her part
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Re: Save the Shrooms! [Re: boomer q]
#7530486 - 10/18/07 08:56 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think as far as "shroom education" goes, most people get all the facts throughout their drug using. I mean there's not too many people who live a straight and sober life, and one day out of the blue, they see someone selling shrooms and devour the whole bag on instinct.
Most people hear "stories" and warnings from shrooms prior to eating them, or even finding them, I mean, how else would you become interested in them?
In my opinion people choose not to listen to what people say, and only hear what they want to hear. Then when they have the almighty mushrooms engulfing their senses they wern't as perpared as they thought.
All this ban is going to do is give police more reason to harass, and give people access to "harder" not as available drugs......I mean what "drug dealer" sells nothing but mushrooms?
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Re: Save the Shrooms! [Re: boomer q]
#7530494 - 10/18/07 08:59 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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And more than that... how can one expect for freedom on one hand, and on the other expect that "they" should educate people on how to use mushrooms... which means that we need a baby sitter. Freedom comes with personal responsibility and just because certain individuals are irresponsible doesn't mean that something should be interdicted.
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AlteredAgain
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MushroomTrip said: just because certain individuals are irresponsible doesn't mean that something should be interdicted.
precisely. when a person causes a car accident for example then he is held personally accountable, and not the rest of the drivers on the road.
this legal philosophy that "if one person screws up then everyone else will be punished" is exactly why the law system has become so complex nowadays.
seeing cases like this i often think that laws ought to apply to the individual and his history instead of having them automatically be extended to the rest of the citizenry.
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I'm assuming the letter isn't to be delivered in English. If so, I'd change the word 'shrooms' to 'mushrooms' and not talk of 'illegalize', but use instead the correct term of 'criminalize'.
The article I read said a girl had jumped out a window, thinking she could fly, and somebody else had driven his/her car wildly, nearly hitting several people.
It seems that good approach to take if this is the 'evidence' they give of mushroom's danger would be to research drunken driving and other alcohol related accidents during the same time period. I would assume there has been a hundred times as many deaths and injuries due to alcohol, yet no drive is underway to criminalize possession/use of booze. A case could then be made that the ban on mushrooms is purely political, thus should be defeated. RR
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AlteredAgain said: precisely. when a person causes a car accident for example then he is held personally accountable, and not the rest of the drivers on the road.
Or the vehicle. 
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this legal philosophy that "if one person screws up then everyone else will be punished" is exactly why the law system has become so complex nowadays.
This is intimidation, but something that stands in one's power to disallow. From what I observed, many people actually feel guilty for using drugs so what laws do is that they adapt to this general psychology to be more efficient. So changing the way we think will automatically make the laws change as well.
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shakercee
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The ban culture seems to be catching on...
The Government of TamilNadu in South India just banned the use of camera phones, ipods, etc. in schools upto 12th grade. The reason given is it would distract students from their studies. 
I say governments all over seem to be caught in a time wrap.
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Re: Save the Shrooms! [Re: afoaf]
#7530957 - 10/18/07 11:39 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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afoaf said: Please note the reason they are attempting to pass these types of laws is to keep idiot Americans from visiting for the sole purpose of getting stoned out of their gourd and falling off bridges.
I'm not going to note something that has no basis in reality.
The 17 year old girl was French, and she was also drunk at the time. While I cannot be certain, common sense implies that most of the foreign drug tourism in Amsterdam is from European countries, such as France and Britain (Britian being the main cause of concern).
Health concerns and suicide as a result of mushrooms is an extremely isolated occurence. When 500,000 doses of mushrooms are sold in a year, and there are 128 or so ambulance calls relating to mushrooms, that is statistically insignfigant. In fact, that is .0003%.
Anyone who has attained a reasonable, rudimentary understanding of the real situation knows that the decision to plan on criminalizing mushrooms has nothing to do with any problems relating from mushrooms. Politicial pressure from other European Union countries (Britian is a likely culprit), coupled with a prevalence of Christian conservatism is the underlying reasons for the call for the ban. Media hysteria plays a role as well I'm sure, just like it has in Britian, regarding all of the hysteric propaganda regarding super skunk.
The mayor of Amsterdam proposed a three day waiting period before the transaction could be completed, as well as education materials being given out in the mean time, as well as an age limit. Clearly, as a man responsible for the budget for the city, he knows just how important tourism is to Amsterdam's economy. If you think this has anything to do with ridding the city of drug tourists, then you might as well eat that serrano up another's asshole.
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This petition is applicable to the 1% of active board members whom actually live in Holland.
Are you retarded, or simply incredibly short-sighted? If some kind of physical limitation is responsible, then I apologize. Drug policy affects our community in a very real manner, no matter where the matter has sprung up. In fact, considering that we are talking about the Netherlands here, criminalization of mushrooms poses a serious threat to the hope for progress and sanity in regards to drug use everywhere, as the Netherlands is traditionally and widely recognized as the most liberal country regarding drug usage. There is too many organizations and politicians that are going rabid waiting for the opportunity to proclaim "See? Legalization didn't work there, and they tried it for so long! Drugs need to be criminalized".
Let's try to use our brains here, please.
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You'll have as much luck affecting this vote by putting a serrano up your pooper and praying to the flying spaghetti monster.
Apparently the fervant feedback they have been receiving is having its influence. A friend of a friend has spoken with people in smartshops, and apparently they've been informed that there will be at least two more weeks before a decision is going to be made. Clearly there is an incredible amount of resistance to this baseless political maneuver, and the resistance has on its side intelligence, cold hard facts, and the backing of a lot of money from tourism. Maybe we can focus on supporting a worthy and crucial cause, instead of being ignorant fools.
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In addition, I'm sure a few thousand people canceling travel plans to A-dam would speak as loud or louder than anything else. Money talks. RR
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i visit amsterdam 2-3 times a year but i only come for the weed, i never bothered to buy mushrooms there. there something that doesnt appeal to me by selling mushrooms the way its done there. i prefer go hunting for them. making sacred mushrooms to this commercial thing i dont know.. but hey, who am i to judge, i signed the petition anyways.
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Re: Save the Shrooms! [Re: shamantra]
#7531642 - 10/18/07 03:04 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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http://www.expatica.com/actual/article.asp?subchannel_id=19&story_id=44974
Protest against ban on magic mushrooms
AMSTERDAM – Roughly ten thousand Dutch citizens have sent an e-mail to the government via the website www.reddepaddo.nl (Save the Magic Mushroom). In their e-mails the protesters called on the government to not ban the sale of hallucinogenic mushrooms. The action group that set up the website on Friday reported this on Monday. People visiting the website can send an e-mail to Justice Minister Ernst Hirsch Ballin, Health Minister Ab Klink and the political parties that are in favour of banning the sale of magic mushrooms.
The government announced on Friday that it wants to ban the sale of the drug.
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Re: Save the Shrooms! [Re: Asante]
#7531948 - 10/18/07 04:20 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I hope they don't make it illegal in Holland.
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Re: Save the Shrooms! [Re: nushroom]
#7532058 - 10/18/07 04:46 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Signed.
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Re: Save the Shrooms! [Re: FecalDildo]
#7532749 - 10/18/07 07:25 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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FecalDildo said: I found it weird that dutch kids speak english with a TV american accent. It was kind of sad.
The Dutch are useless.
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Re: Save the Shrooms! [Re: Icelander]
#7532965 - 10/18/07 08:21 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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They build good windmills.
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Re: Save the Shrooms! [Re: Icelander]
#7532984 - 10/18/07 08:26 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Oh, really?!

Nevermind. I keep forgetting your age. My bad.
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FecalDildo
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Yuck.
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Icelander
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I have something she can put her tulips around.
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Re: Save the Shrooms! [Re: FecalDildo]
#7533237 - 10/18/07 09:35 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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FecalDildo said: Yuck.
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