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E.T. and the elements of the earth.
#7527716 - 10/17/07 01:12 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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So after doing myself in last week I have finally made it out of a semi coma and are back alive for the most part. <grin>
During my downtime I had a lot of time to think and one of the shows that I was watching while laid up in bed was The History Channel and UFO's.
There they talk about some of the people who say they have held in their hands various things like the metal from downed space craft and additionally doing tests on them.
One of the prevailing things from Roswell is that the metal cannot be destroyed, not by cutting, burning, bending or by any other means. They say the metal is nothing they have ever seen before.
Okay, assuming that guys on other shows on the same channel on "how the earth was made" and what various other scientists seem to agree; are right, we know how all matter clumps together after a super nova explosion or whatever, clumping of iron, nickel, ice, etc. into these huge balls of heat that turns to lava that cools then may or may not establish conditions for life.
Okay, assuming they are right then we should theoretically already know of all the metal types that are out there because we know what our planet is made up from tests done here and what all the other planets are made up of from exploration and scientific tests....
So how is there a metal that is unidentifiable? Unless it's not metal, or not real of course. But I mean, if the Universe is one big thing then all things should be made of the same stuff, including what advanced civilizations are capable of creating.....
Or maybe there are other dimensions that have "other" stuff that make them up, I dunno. String Theory?.....I do not understand. duh....
What do you guys think?
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Re: E.T. and the elements of the earth. [Re: Army of None]
#7527738 - 10/17/07 01:17 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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synthetic metal?
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Re: E.T. and the elements of the earth. [Re: Army of None]
#7527747 - 10/17/07 01:19 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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A look at the periodic table will show that we aren't missing any major metals. On the atomic scale, an element is defined by the number of protons it has in its nucleus. This is the very definition of a particular element. Iron, by definition, is an atom with 26 protons.
The periodic table works its way through the elements in a logical progressive manner. Each element has one more proton than the one before it, so and on and so forth, all the way down to where we are now, which I think is about 118. This isn't to say that there is nothing above 118. There certainly is. I will guarantee you that there are elements with 119 protons in their nucleus, but there is non sitting around. Even the things from 90 or so up are extremely rare, and not natural. They just aren't stable at the pressures and temperatures on Earth. You cannot make something out of them, or even keep them somewhere to study.
Now, this isn't to say that we wont be able to work with them at some point in the future, or that some super-smart Alien being isnt using them to make strange compounds today.
But there is no common element that we are not aware of. You cannot have something with 26.5 protons. It doesnt work that way.
I hope that helps.
Maybe.
I'm rambly today.
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Re: E.T. and the elements of the earth. [Re: Madtowntripper]
#7527814 - 10/17/07 01:32 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
Madtowntripper said: A look at the periodic table will show that we aren't missing any major metals. On the atomic scale, an element is defined by the number of protons it has in its nucleus. This is the very definition of a particular element. Iron, by definition, is an atom with 26 protons.
The periodic table works its way through the elements in a logical progressive manner. Each element has one more proton than the one before it, so and on and so forth, all the way down to where we are now, which I think is about 118. This isn't to say that there is nothing above 118. There certainly is. I will guarantee you that there are elements with 119 protons in their nucleus, but there is non sitting around. Even the things from 90 or so up are extremely rare, and not natural. They just aren't stable at the pressures and temperatures on Earth. You cannot make something out of them, or even keep them somewhere to study.
Now, this isn't to say that we wont be able to work with them at some point in the future, or that some super-smart Alien being isnt using them to make strange compounds today.
But there is no common element that we are not aware of. You cannot have something with 26.5 protons. It doesnt work that way.
I hope that helps.
Maybe.
I'm rambly today.
It does, I don't exactly understand completely what you said but I do remember some of the stuff from science class in high school. But you do make an interesting point in that there are no common elements that we are not aware of. However, there are maybe other elements above the 119 that we simply cannot use or make stable, but maybe and advanced society could....and maybe that's what created that crazy metal.
Thanks, this has been informative.
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Re: E.T. and the elements of the earth. [Re: Army of None]
#7527828 - 10/17/07 01:36 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sure, its possible.
Like I said, even those above 90 or so we have to create in a lab. We can make Ununbium, number 119, in a lab. But it involves smashing a whole bunch of other things together in a particle accelerator.
And when we do create it, its radioactive and not stable, so it decays in an incredibly short time. 1/10000 of a second.
If you could find way to keep it stable, who knows what you could do with it.
-------------------- After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action. If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it. - Ernest Hemingway If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it. In the law courts, in business, in government. There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent. -Cormac MacCarthy He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God. - Aeschylus
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