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Dishez
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Regarding Gyms...
#7525744 - 10/16/07 09:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm calling upon all of us who have had experiences with the controversial mammoth wood-lover "Big Laughing Gym". My goal is to have the forums come together and clarify three essential factors...
1. Is psycho activity limited exclusively to specimens that stain blue/green.
2. Does psycho activity range between specimens from the same "flush" "troop" "crop" (whatever you chose to call it), or can one expect to experience similarities in potency based on locale.
3. Are there distinct differences between.[image] [/image].. .. And[image] [/image] (other than morphological features.
To start things off, I will add all of the info I can offer.
Point 1: I have experienced very clear activity in BLG that absolutely did NOT bruise blue/green what-so-ever. Likewise, I have experienced effects ranging from sheer nothingness, to nausea after experimenting with BLG with of same non bruising nature. (I will talk more about this when I get to point 3.) MY hypothesis is that B/G Bruising definitely DOES indicate activity, but activity is not always indicated via B/G bruising.
Point 2: My experiences allow me to offer that proximity to active specimens does NOT indicate activity throughout the entire locale. The aforementioned non bruising actives were found in a matter of feet from there non active brethren. Unfortunately, I neglected to record the exact location of each specimen from the harvesting area. I therefore combined all specimens with in a 30 square foot area. Needless to say, substrate types probably had a lot to do with variations in active compound levels.
Point 3: In my opinion, this is the most crucial point regarding bruising and activity. I have found specimens of both morphologies... I will approach the stated problem by forming an initial definition of each of the two morphologies. (type A is the first pic, Type B is the second)
Morphology A: Flesh softer, less pliable. growing in a more upright fashion, caps more likely to be fibrous, rings more pronounced, flesh less moist than type B. In my experience this type has a much less pronounced odor than type B. Ive also found that Type A does does not produce spores in the same unimaginable quantity that type B does.
Morphology B: Flesh thick and very pliable. Stalks seem to droop more readily. flesh is EXTREMELY moist. Odor is beautiful, but is strong enough to cause one to become sick. Type B seems to fruit individual mushrooms more readily than type A. Drops spores to an insane degree; The tops are often completely caked with them,(the spores make a nice watercolor paint )
...Observations... I have found specimens of Type A that bruised B/G. They were active. I have also found specimens of type A that did not bruise. These specimens were slightly more orange in color than those previously mentioned, and were NOT active. I have found Type A on these two occasions alone, and therefore do not feel capable of forming an opinion regarding bruising/activity correlation.
I have found type B several times. Though I have found type B specimens that had minute greenish tints (not enough to consider greening!), I have never found a Type B specimen that bruised B/G. I have experimented with Type B and found some samples to be active, regardless of absence of B/G bruising. I have also experimented with samples of type B that were inactive....
Summarized... Type A: Bruising B/G = active, no bruising=no P.A. compounds Type B: Never bruises. Some samples active, some not.
Final Statement: Lack of bruising is not always indicative of lack of p.a. compounds.
PLEASE Provide any info you can. I think it would be best if ONLY those basing their opinions off of first hand experience proposed statements.
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Alan Rockefeller
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Re: Regarding Gyms... [Re: Dishez] 1
#7526202 - 10/17/07 12:05 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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> 1. Is psycho activity limited exclusively to specimens that stain blue/green.
No, many active ones don't bruise blue/green. That ones that do bruise are active, of course.
Coon says that if you put them in the fridge for a couple days it will maximize the greening reaction.
> Does psycho activity range between specimens from the same "flush" "troop" "crop" (whatever you chose to call it), or can one expect to experience similarities in potency based on locale.
All psychoactive mushrooms have large variations in potency. From the same flush, less large. If you want to standardize it, grind up a lot of specimens and mix the powder well.
> 3. Are there distinct differences between. > .. > And > (other than morphological features.
Yes, the different species probably have different taste and chemistry.
> I have experienced very clear activity in BLG that absolutely did NOT bruise blue/green what-so-ever.
I wonder if they would have greened in the fridge.
> Likewise, I have experienced effects ranging from sheer nothingness, to nausea after experimenting with BLG with of same non bruising nature.
Perhaps you found Gymnopilus ventricosus, a common and inactive G. junonius lookalike.
> Point 2: My experiences allow me to offer that proximity to active specimens does NOT indicate activity throughout the entire locale. The aforementioned non bruising actives were found in a matter of feet from there non active brethren. Unfortunately, I neglected to record the exact location of each specimen from the harvesting area. I therefore combined all specimens with in a 30 square foot area. Needless to say, substrate types probably had a lot to do with variations in active compound levels.
They may have been different species or different strains of the same species. You are likely to need a microscope if you want to find out what species you really have.
> Point 3: In my opinion, this is the most crucial point regarding bruising and activity. I have found specimens of both morphologies...
You are probably finding a few different species.
Try using this key on them.
You may want to look into getting an inexpensive microscope from ebay. I got mine for 300 and it was brand new and really nice.
There is some decent information on Gymnopilus species in Paul Stamets Psilocybin Mushrooms of the World, which you probably own already.
The best information on Gymnopilus I have seen is in the link below. It gets really interesting towards the end.
http://www.mycologia.org/cgi/content/full/95/6/1204
Also check out the references at the bottom of this page.
If you are really serious, obtain a copy of North American species of Gymnopilus by Hesler. I plan to borrow it from my local mycological society at the next meeting.
Also look what I found in my flower pot:
http://forums.mycotopia.net/wild-mushrooming-field-forest/26660-gymnopilus-luteofolius-my-flower-pot.html
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thedudenj
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ill have to agree most likely substrate realated issuses or they arent of differnt decent. G. junonius is very active btw its the east coast since you dont have any pics that look like my junonius




very very slight blue greening highly active!!! highly they havent grown back the following year nor any around where it was found
you should take those gyms in your flower pot get spores and start growing em and also take that pot indoors and milk that,try to get it to flush as many times as you can, thats a sweet find but then again i dunno if yours are active over here those are
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Edited by thedudenj (10/17/07 09:38 AM)
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Dishez
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Re: Regarding Gyms... [Re: Dishez]
#7528833 - 10/17/07 06:28 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks for the additions thus far. I'm glad that we all agree regarding the bruising. I thought of another important point regarding bruising in gymnophilus spectabilis today, and Im supprised that it hasnt been brought up yet (as far as i can tell. G. Spec supposedly contains tryptamines other than our two favorite psilo's dosent it? Arent psilocybin and psilocyn the only two that cause bluing when oxidised?
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thedudenj
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Re: Regarding Gyms... [Re: Dishez]
#7530961 - 10/18/07 11:42 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Baeocystin perhaps, but i dunno NJ GYMS are the best i had ever and i had pan cyans and turffles in amsterdam
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thedudenj
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Re: Regarding Gyms... [Re: thedudenj]
#7532129 - 10/18/07 05:01 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Several species of Gymnopilus contain bis-noryangonin [4-hydroxy-6-(4-hydrostyryl)-2-pyrone] and hispidine [4-hydroxy-6-(3,4-dihydroxystyryl)-2-pyrone], which are closely related to the alpha-pyrones found in kava
O'waraitake
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Edited by thedudenj (10/18/07 05:11 PM)
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thedudenj
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Re: Regarding Gyms... [Re: thedudenj]
#7533213 - 10/18/07 09:31 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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so in your opinion what do you think the deal with mine are? big gyms



little gyms



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Re: Regarding Gyms... [Re: thedudenj]
#7533697 - 10/18/07 11:55 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Gyms are easily some of my favorite psychedelic mushroom..
The trip they produce is most interesting.
I ususally find Gymnopilus Spectabilis.
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thedudenj
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Re: Regarding Gyms... [Re: Feanor]
#7533701 - 10/19/07 12:02 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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i really really have to agree gyms are the best!
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Re: Regarding Gyms... [Re: thedudenj]
#7533714 - 10/19/07 12:10 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Gyms make me LAUGH!
Aha... Big Laughing Gyms...
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thedudenj
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Re: Regarding Gyms... [Re: Feanor]
#7533717 - 10/19/07 12:11 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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i cant really say i laugh much they get really heavy intense for me. im gona make a soup anime soup with em, i have made anime soup with amanita and things turned very anime so i wanna see how gyms do then gym and amanita soup!
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Re: Regarding Gyms... [Re: thedudenj]
#7534428 - 10/19/07 07:50 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I heard a rumor that Gyms have something in them that may not be liver friendly. As a daily beer drinker, that would concern me. The Gyms that grow in my area are the ones that gave them their alias (waraitake). Has anyone heard about liver trouble from stuff in Gyms?
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Dishez
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Re: Regarding Gyms... [Re: Dishez]
#7535552 - 10/19/07 01:40 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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DudeNJ...just out of curiosity...what is anime soup???? My own experiences with Gyms have led me to believe that mixing them with any kind of food leads to nausea...I dont know if its just me though. Im very curious as to how gym and amanita would work together...be careful with that one!
As far as liver damage caused by gyms...I really dont know...Its so hard to judge the authenticity of medical "knowledge" sometimes...for years the word Kava was synonymous with "liver damage", yet in the past two years it has been proven to be completely false. I think its got a lot to do with govenrmental dissuasion. Probably not the case with gyms, because they arent well known other than by mycological enthusiasts. Tylenol, Aspirin, Advil, etc...all cause liver damage, as well as alcohol, the list goes on and on... I guess its up to you to decide whether or not the risk is worth taking...you could always decide to cut back on the beer
Edited by Dishez (10/19/07 01:41 PM)
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thedudenj
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Re: Regarding Gyms... [Re: Dishez]
#7536635 - 10/19/07 06:05 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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yeah gyms are super happy fun. um i havent made it with gyms yet but i will i must. anime soup... well theres many ways to make it
1.magic 2.mushrooms,noodles,vetables,spices,meat.
thats all there is to it on gyms i dont have much trouble eating but its a common thing with people and psilo mushrooms in general that they can cause one not to want to eat.
any who azures and amanita mixed fine so why not.
just make a soup that you like i suggest making soups with honey mushrooms till you can stomach and handle the in take of gyms as soup cause it can be rough. but once your tough to it you add what ever you want and make a tasty soup... then things get alone like anime, all the expressions and ways you feel and imagery
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Re: Regarding Gyms... [Re: thedudenj]
#7539305 - 10/20/07 01:25 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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what dosage is recomended for gyms? (X amount of gyms = 1g of cubes) these are the only actives that grow in my area
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thedudenj
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Re: Regarding Gyms... [Re: trscstghst]
#7540104 - 10/20/07 05:21 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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lol it varies its really hard to say i say start with one mushroom or 3 like that one in the pic thats alone was enough for a good trip
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