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Re: I want proof.. [Re: Nobodhi]
    #7525718 - 10/16/07 09:51 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i think you're trying too hard to be philosophical. You have to narrow it down, you can't just ask why? you have to have a specific question in mind.

-people can see atoms, or images of atoms put together by computers. Here is an image of the tip of the sharpest man made object, a tungsten needle, and each of the light-colored balls is an individual atom that moved during the imaging.

A fact is something that can be proven over and over despite trying to disprove it. The word fact though, does not seem appropriate in my opinion. If something is decided to be fact because it can be proven over and over, it doesn't mean there isn't something unknown to us that could disprove it. I think all facts would be better categorized as "solid theories" or something similar to that.


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Re: I want proof.. [Re: elcharrosays]
    #7525724 - 10/16/07 09:52 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I don't know if they exist?? I am unsure I can't see inside my scull and air seems to be really blurry unless satuated with moisture? I am making a point stop telling people to prove what they believe in!!!


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    #7525740 - 10/16/07 09:56 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: I want proof.. [Re: AgingHippy]
    #7525741 - 10/16/07 09:56 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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i think you're trying too hard to be philosophical. You have to narrow it down, you can't just ask why? you have to have a specific question in mind.

-people can see atoms, or images of atoms put together by computers. Here is an image of the tip of the sharpest man made object, a tungsten needle, and each of the light-colored balls is an individual atom that moved during the imaging.

A fact is something that can be proven over and over despite trying to disprove it. The word fact though, does not seem appropriate in my opinion. If something is decided to be fact because it can be proven over and over, it doesn't mean there isn't something unknown to us that could disprove it. I think all facts would be better categorized as "solid theories" or something similar to that.




So the fact that over and over people can see atoms under a microscope proves a point more that people in this world who say over and over that God and Jesus exists?

Seeing something under a microscope made by someone who wanted to see something is more factual than and entire civilization of people who believe in God and Jesus to be said over and over again for longer than people knew an atom existed?


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Re: I want proof.. [Re: Walter1496211]
    #7525745 - 10/16/07 09:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Since I can't imagine any significant conversation coming from this thread, I'll entertain you with this idea:  Why do you care what people tell you to think?  The people that are claiming things to be real might not be real at all.  They could just be a figment of your imagination, part of a larger illusion that you believe you exist in?




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Re: I want proof.. [Re: elcharrosays]
    #7525748 - 10/16/07 09:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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http://www.blazelabs.com/.%5Cpics%5Catomsibm.jpg
http://www.astro.virginia.edu/class/whittle/astr124/matter/atom_lattice.html

there man some pictures of atoms.

try google next time.




Who took those pictures have you heard of photo shop?


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Re: I want proof.. [Re: Walter1496211]
    #7525761 - 10/16/07 09:58 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

ah this is going nowhere. later.


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Re: I want proof.. [Re: Walter1496211]
    #7525763 - 10/16/07 09:59 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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http://www.blazelabs.com/.%5Cpics%5Catomsibm.jpg
http://www.astro.virginia.edu/class/whittle/astr124/matter/atom_lattice.html

there man some pictures of atoms.

try google next time.




Who took those pictures have you heard of photo shop?




ah this is going nowhere. later.




lmao


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Re: I want proof.. [Re: Walter1496211]
    #7525767 - 10/16/07 10:00 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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teefizzle said:
i think you're trying too hard to be philosophical. You have to narrow it down, you can't just ask why? you have to have a specific question in mind.

-people can see atoms, or images of atoms put together by computers. Here is an image of the tip of the sharpest man made object, a tungsten needle, and each of the light-colored balls is an individual atom that moved during the imaging.

A fact is something that can be proven over and over despite trying to disprove it. The word fact though, does not seem appropriate in my opinion. If something is decided to be fact because it can be proven over and over, it doesn't mean there isn't something unknown to us that could disprove it. I think all facts would be better categorized as "solid theories" or something similar to that.




So the fact that over and over people can see atoms under a microscope proves a point more that people in this world who say over and over that God and Jesus exists?

Seeing something under a microscope made by someone who wanted to see something is more factual than and entire civilization of people who believe in God and Jesus to be said over and over again for longer than people knew an atom existed?




I do apologize for this ridiculous post but like I said I have heard so many people post saying "prove to me this prove to me God prove to me Jesus" I am not trying to prove in one way or another but right now in this forum I guarantee not one person can prove the atom exists and I would like everyone who attacks someone who believes in what they believe without seeing to think about what they are saying.


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Re: I want proof.. [Re: AgingHippy]
    #7525776 - 10/16/07 10:02 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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i think you're trying too hard to be philosophical.




i am more skeptical of those who claim to know what an atom is.


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Re: I want proof.. [Re: Walter1496211]
    #7525779 - 10/16/07 10:03 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

If there was an all-knowing being, do you think he'd be reading your post on the Shroomery? No hard feelings.


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Re: I want proof.. [Re: elcharrosays]
    #7525780 - 10/16/07 10:03 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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ah this is going nowhere. later.




Thats exactly what I say when I try to prove my point about God. Thank you.. You cant prove your point. You cant solidify your opinion you offered pictures from the internet (I could get pictures of Jesus from the internet) and you concede when you can convince me now you know how it feels to be a Christian.


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Re: I want proof.. [Re: AgingHippy]
    #7525783 - 10/16/07 10:04 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

btw, what is this photoshop thing you speak of?
is it tangible?
how do you know it really exists?
i gather youve seen this photoshop but since we're throwing the whole "seeing is believing" thing out the window have you actually felt it? smelled it? experienced it?


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Re: I want proof.. [Re: AgingHippy]
    #7525788 - 10/16/07 10:06 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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If there was an all-knowing being, do you think he'd be reading your post on the Shroomery? No hard feelings.




No I don't at all..If there was an all encompassing atom do you think it would be present in this post?


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Re: I want proof.. [Re: Walter1496211]
    #7525792 - 10/16/07 10:06 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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ah this is going nowhere. later.




Thats exactly what I say when I try to prove my point about God.  Thank you.. You cant prove your point. You cant solidify your opinion you offered pictures from the internet (I could get pictures of Jesus from the internet) and you concede when you can convince me now you know how it feels to be a Christian.



a picture of an atom has a bit more credibility, but I understand what you mean.  In my opinion, if you aren't too worried about knowing the truth, and you can accept that it's very very unlikely that you will ever know the ultimate answer in your lifetime, then just believe whatever makes you happy and be thankful that you're even alive and able to think of such a grand question! :sun:


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Re: I want proof.. [Re: Walter1496211]
    #7525796 - 10/16/07 10:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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elcharrosays said:
ah this is going nowhere. later.




Thats exactly what I say when I try to prove my point about God.  Thank you.. You cant prove your point. You cant solidify your opinion you offered pictures from the internet (I could get pictures of Jesus from the internet) and you concede when you can convince me now you know how it feels to be a Christian.




atoms are god's alter egos :bigjoint:


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Re: I want proof.. [Re: AgingHippy]
    #7525804 - 10/16/07 10:11 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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elcharrosays said:
ah this is going nowhere. later.




Thats exactly what I say when I try to prove my point about God.  Thank you.. You cant prove your point. You cant solidify your opinion you offered pictures from the internet (I could get pictures of Jesus from the internet) and you concede when you can convince me now you know how it feels to be a Christian.



a picture of an atom has a bit more credibility, but I understand what you mean.  In my opinion, if you aren't too worried about knowing the truth, and you can accept that it's very very unlikely that you will ever know the ultimate answer in your lifetime, then just believe whatever makes you happy and be thankful that you're even alive and able to think of such a grand question! :sun:





Very well.. You wanna come over for a beer???


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Re: I want proof.. [Re: Walter1496211]
    #7525808 - 10/16/07 10:12 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

lol, not sure where you are, but I have an essay to work on for english comp, so no drinks tonight :tongue2:


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Re: I want proof.. [Re: Nobodhi]
    #7525811 - 10/16/07 10:12 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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elcharrosays said:
ah this is going nowhere. later.




Thats exactly what I say when I try to prove my point about God.  Thank you.. You cant prove your point. You cant solidify your opinion you offered pictures from the internet (I could get pictures of Jesus from the internet) and you concede when you can convince me now you know how it feels to be a Christian.




atoms are god's alter egos :bigjoint:








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Re: I want proof.. [Re: Walter1496211]
    #7525813 - 10/16/07 10:12 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

fuck beer want KETAMINE?

come on over everyone :bigjoint:


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