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Masculine or Feminine?
    #7525133 - 10/16/07 08:03 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

A lot of times people refer to God as Him. Well, if this masculine creator birthed the universe, or whatever, and created man then wouldn't that make him a her?

This would only make so much sense.

Mother Earth, not Father Earth.

While the male-dominated cultures are the ones most often talked about or known. (as far as I know) I know there's cultures where women were held in a higher regard/status and in some cases higher than men. In the animal kingdom, aside from us, there's seems to be plenty of animals where the female is the more dominant sex.

So aside from it not having as nice a sound to it, why not Her? Why be so arrogantly ignorant against where we came from and not correlate that with "God"?


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Re: Masculine or Feminine? [Re: Cracka_X]
    #7525157 - 10/16/07 08:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

How about no God at all? I think that would really make sense.


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Re: Masculine or Feminine? [Re: Icelander]
    #7525176 - 10/16/07 08:10 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Heh, i was going to add that lastly but then I'd have no argument and for the sake of this argument, why not "God" be feminine?


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Re: Masculine or Feminine? [Re: Cracka_X]
    #7525190 - 10/16/07 08:12 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Fairy tale Gods and Goddesses can be whatever you want them to be. But the answer to your question has to do with being in a Patriarchal culture.


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Re: Masculine or Feminine? [Re: Icelander]
    #7525223 - 10/16/07 08:19 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

When God speaks, it is ALWAYS in a basso profundo voice. He is the ultimate alpha (and omega) male.

Evidence? Many sci-fi and religious movies will back me up on this.


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Re: Masculine or Feminine? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7525238 - 10/16/07 08:21 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I told you you'll start writing sci fi soon :hippie:


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Re: Masculine or Feminine? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7525268 - 10/16/07 08:26 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

There once was a girl from Venus
With an insatiable appetite for ...


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Re: Masculine or Feminine? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7525389 - 10/16/07 08:47 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

...meanness.


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Re: Masculine or Feminine? [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7525407 - 10/16/07 08:50 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Well that would be all women, not merely a particular Venusian. :wink:


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Re: Masculine or Feminine? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7525445 - 10/16/07 08:58 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

You may be on to something. :lolz0rz:  :flowers:


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Re: Masculine or Feminine? [Re: Cracka_X]
    #7525471 - 10/16/07 09:02 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

From what I've gathered, It seems that mother earth is correct.
She is being penetrated/sustained/impregnated with the sun's rays, IMO.  Father??
The obelisk and the reflecting pool, maybe??
I feel that the supposed Son was a reflection of both energies.
A snake on a cross or something.
Clark Heinrich will tell you it is all mushroom symbolism and imagery dating back to the earliest of fertility cults.
He strongly suggests that the mushroom (A. muscaria) is the act itself.



Kind of looks like a phallic symbol only a little bit then opens into both female and male parts in the act of sexual intercourse.
When the edges are upturned like a cup, he also suggests that this is the HOLY GRAIL with its valuable contents.

Hate to say it but Starbucks is all over the Goddess logo.
Check the cup.

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Re: Masculine or Feminine? [Re: backfromthedead]
    #7525517 - 10/16/07 09:11 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Mother Earth/Father Sky is a pretty common concept, cross culturally. I mean, it just makes symbolic sense... you know, rain falling like sperm and making the seeds grow. :shrug:

The Maori have a rad creation story about how mother earth and father sky were locked in an embrace and thier children (the gods) were stuck between them and so realized they had to pull them apart to make enough room for anything to live comfortably.


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Re: Masculine or Feminine? [Re: Cracka_X]
    #7525550 - 10/16/07 09:18 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Cracka_X said:
A lot of times people refer to God as Him.  Well, if this masculine creator birthed the universe, or whatever, and created man then wouldn't that make him a her?




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Re: Masculine or Feminine? [Re: Cracka_X]
    #7525566 - 10/16/07 09:22 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

The Name 'Abwoon' is Aramaic for "Cosmic Mother-Father" or "Cosmic Birther." It is quite possibly the familiar Name that Iesus/Y'shua/Issa used for God - rather than the Hebrew 'Abba' that the [patriarchal] Gospel writers affirmed.
In any event, the Name Elohim is a masculine-feminine composite Name for God which was used with regard to Deity until creation occurred in the Hebrew myth. Then the Name YHVH was used. Some interpreters say that there is a feminine aspect to this Name as well. Any Name or symbolic representation of Deity must contain the opposites, else there is lack, deficiency and this is a definition halfway to evil.


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Re: Masculine or Feminine? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #7525841 - 10/16/07 10:20 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I consider God to be androgenous, high in both masculine and feminine traits.


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Re: Masculine or Feminine? [Re: Feanor]
    #7526023 - 10/16/07 11:09 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

when two become one... :heart: :yinyang:


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Re: Masculine or Feminine? [Re: Nobodhi]
    #7526167 - 10/16/07 11:54 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

It all depends on what God you're talking about? Are you refering to the catholic/christain God? Or the Historic Gods? And if you're refering to the Historic Gods do you mean the creators of humans alone or the creation of anything and everything?


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Re: Masculine or Feminine? [Re: Cracka_X]
    #7526646 - 10/17/07 04:35 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Mescaline!


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    #7526694 - 10/17/07 05:35 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Masculine or Feminine? [Re: Chubba]
    #7526706 - 10/17/07 05:42 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

because this is my thread, my rules, and because I said/asked so!:bowserwins:


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Re: Masculine or Feminine? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #7526880 - 10/17/07 08:13 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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rather than the Hebrew 'Abba' that the [patriarchal] Gospel writers affirmed.


That's interesting, because ABBA is actually a male-female combination and if you ask the right zany high school teachers and soccer moms, ABBA is God. :eek:


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Re: Masculine or Feminine? [Re: Feanor]
    #7527090 - 10/17/07 10:09 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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longbottom_leaf said:
I consider God to be androgenous, high in both masculine and feminine traits.




Yet low in sodium and hydrogenated fat...


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Re: Masculine or Feminine? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7527168 - 10/17/07 10:36 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

there are even some humans which are "placed here by god" with sexual organs of both sex, or of neither..all the other creations of god feel that 'he' must have made a mistake in choosing a gender..gender and sexuality are unique but so interconnected in societies it is hard to differentiate the two

to answer the question id also have to agree that its the patriarchal based societies choice in naming 'god' male


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Re: Masculine or Feminine? [Re: fake estate]
    #7527327 - 10/17/07 11:30 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

The mind of man creates the fiction of god and it also ponders whether it is a male or female..what a drama.


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Re: Masculine or Feminine? [Re: shakercee]
    #7527595 - 10/17/07 12:41 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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shakercee said:
The mind of man creates the fiction of god and it also ponders whether it is a male or female..what a drama.




therein lies the problem-- since supposedly god creates the mind of man it is impossible to know which created which..


...maybe it was just created by man in order to create a cycle, as all things in nature are cyclic


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Re: Masculine or Feminine? [Re: shakercee]
    #7528076 - 10/17/07 02:52 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I think it is more a matter of masculine and feminine, not male and female. The latter duality belongs to biological entities, the former suggests active and passive aspects, though of course it depends upon the context. Early Hindu myth, for example, saw the masculine sky god raining/fertilizing the receptive feminine earth, but later models saw the masculine Shiva as receptive and the feminine Shakti as creatively active.

Hebrew mythos used the Hebrew letters and words to express these dualities and paradoxes. It is more to the point to view Ultimate Reality as a Coincidentia Oppositorum in which all opposites are resolved in a transcendental unity. It is then a matter of principles, not personalities, but humans are personal beings in duality and we project the qualities of our form onto Ultimate Reality. This is not necessarily a bad thing unless we believe our own projections and then act 'as if' our projections ARE Deity Itself! This is the primitive psychological process that underlies the Fundamentalist's self-righteous indignation that sinners are 'offending' Deity. Naturally, the Fundamentalist will self-consciously concede to being a sinner himself while secretly nurturing his sense of moral superiority over others. Male-Female, Right-Wrong, Good-Evil, God-Devil, etc. all get divided along Black-White lines, with each dichotomy defining the others. Now THAT is drama!


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