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Liberty Cap ID Required (and appreciated)
    #7525079 - 10/16/07 07:55 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Hello! In my travels recently across this fair county, I encountered some delightful specimens growing in a field. They look to me like liberty caps, but, you know, its best to be sure, so I would humbly request an ID.

Habitat: South England, grassy field
Gills: Dark brown/black in some, pale colour in others (the two are separated)
Stem: Long, pale colour, in some cases bruising blue towards the roots
Cap: See attached pictures

The final picture in the series is of a selection of mushrooms which seem (to me) particularly unlikely to be liberty caps that I gathered anyway. Knowing what they are would be interesting.

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Re: Liberty Cap ID Required (and appreciated) [Re: Pygmalion]
    #7525127 - 10/16/07 08:02 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

You found Psilocybe semilanceata.

The last ones are in the genus Mycena or Marasmius.


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Re: Liberty Cap ID Required (and appreciated) [Re: Pygmalion]
    #7525141 - 10/16/07 08:04 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

You have a mixed collection. You do have some libs though.


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Re: Liberty Cap ID Required (and appreciated) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #7525143 - 10/16/07 08:04 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Out of curiosity, are Mycena or Marasmius mushrooms either harmful or edible? I'm not much of a mycologist, I'm afraid.


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Re: Liberty Cap ID Required (and appreciated) [Re: Pygmalion]
    #7525148 - 10/16/07 08:05 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

yeah some of those in the pile don't look like semilanceata, so just make sure to separate them well. Don't wanna end up throwing up while you're tripping :tongue:.

The big red stemmed one in the last picture (the biggest mushroom in the frame) looks like its pannaoelus subbalteatus. Looks like you may have find two kinds of magic. :thumbup:

Edit: I know there is a marasmius that is considered really good to eat. But you will have to get the exact species before you can draw any conclusions. They should be easy to separate from your liberty caps though. As a rule of thumb, don't eat anything you don't know what it is.


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Re: Liberty Cap ID Required (and appreciated) [Re: Drewwyann]
    #7525196 - 10/16/07 08:13 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Drewwyann said:
Edit: I know there is a marasmius that is considered really good to eat. But you will have to get the exact species before you can draw any conclusions. They should be easy to separate from your liberty caps though. As a rule of thumb, don't eat anything you don't know what it is.




Thanks. Just to be certain, the mushrooms which aren't Psilocybe semilanceata are the ones with the paler gills? This is the first time I've ever picked shrooms, so I'm something of a novice at this...


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Re: Liberty Cap ID Required (and appreciated) [Re: Pygmalion]
    #7525237 - 10/16/07 08:21 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

nice finds, make sure to separate the libs from the rest before they are unrecognizable


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Re: Liberty Cap ID Required (and appreciated) [Re: casgoodie]
    #7525468 - 10/16/07 09:01 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

> Just to be certain, the mushrooms which aren't Psilocybe semilanceata are the ones with the paler gills?

Yes. You might also have some Panaeolus in there, but those won't hurt you.

> This is the first time I've ever picked shrooms, so I'm something of a novice at this...

Put all the fresh caps you find on tinfoil so you can check the spore print color. It should be a dark purple brown for Psilocybes. The Panaeolus also might be active and will have jet black spores.

> Out of curiosity, are Mycena or Marasmius mushrooms either harmful or edible? I'm not much of a mycologist, I'm afraid.

I don't know of anything harmful in Marasmius, but many Mycena contain the mycotoxin muscarine. They look a little more like Mycena than Marasmius to me.


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Re: Liberty Cap ID Required (and appreciated) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #7525487 - 10/16/07 09:06 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Those mushrooms you've found with white gills and white spore print (print on yellow paper) are in the Mycena genus, and should be avoided. There are Mycena which will make you very sick.

Yes, Marasmius oreades is edible. I wouldn't say delicious by any means, but it is an ongoing argument, especially between certain English hunters, with skulls in their avatars.


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Re: Liberty Cap ID Required (and appreciated) [Re: jet li]
    #7526603 - 10/17/07 03:22 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

should be very easy to separate libs from mycena... they dont really share a great deal of common charactristics... use your eyes and your nose :yesnod:

if u have any doubts over wether a particular specimen is or is not a lib, throw it out...


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Re: Liberty Cap ID Required (and appreciated) [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7526606 - 10/17/07 03:23 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

uarewotueat said:

if u have any doubts over wether a particular specimen is or is not a lib, throw it out...




Good advice!!!! Any doubt throw it out!


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Re: Liberty Cap ID Required (and appreciated) [Re: fliped]
    #7526800 - 10/17/07 07:07 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for the advice. One final question: the mushrooms are beginning to dry out somewhat, making a visual differentiation uncertain. Would a spore print work (considering that they are tiny and, as i said, pretty dessicated)? If not, are there any other ways?


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Re: Liberty Cap ID Required (and appreciated) [Re: Pygmalion]
    #7526819 - 10/17/07 07:22 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

go back and get some more and then do it :-)

what kind of field were these found on, just a general field? or was it pasturized at some point?


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Re: Liberty Cap ID Required (and appreciated) [Re: scottaaaay]
    #7526876 - 10/17/07 08:08 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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go back and get some more and then do it :-)

what kind of field were these found on, just a general field? or was it pasturized at some point?




I found them growing in two fields, 1 of which was pasteurised, the other not. I'm probably going to be returning quite soon - i only covered a tiny proportion of the area before having to leave.


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Re: Liberty Cap ID Required (and appreciated) [Re: Pygmalion]
    #7526920 - 10/17/07 08:37 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

pasteurised fields lol


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Re: Liberty Cap ID Required (and appreciated) [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7527008 - 10/17/07 09:31 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

First, dump all the ones with white gills.

If you want to be sure, spore print all the rest regardless that they're a bit old, at least you'll be able to tell white from dark if they drop any spores at all. At least the process will get you familira with printing for next time and you'll be following the golden rule for all living mushroom hunters. Caution above all else, triple check everything.

Also importantly, if you cut off the caps to make prints, don't then mix up the stems, make sure to keep them each stem with its cap.


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