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Enthrall
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Small v. Large fruit body
#7524832 - 10/16/07 06:59 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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This is probably a noob question but what is the potency difference with a small and large fruit body? Does a small one contain more or less then a large one and so on?
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Re: Small v. Large fruit body [Re: Enthrall]
#7524845 - 10/16/07 07:02 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I heard the smaller ones have more psilocybin per weight compared to a larger one.
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Re: Small v. Large fruit body [Re: BUDDHA_702]
#7524872 - 10/16/07 07:13 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thx thats what I wanted to hear but are you sure where did you hear it?
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Re: Small v. Large fruit body [Re: Enthrall]
#7525576 - 10/16/07 09:24 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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i heard that the aborts (little tiny mushrooms that begin to form but dont quite grow) have the highest potency of psilocybin and psilocin but i'm not sure why. eitehr way keep your aborts
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Aborts are great. I think i can help answering though.
Psilocybe cubensis is 90% so only 10% is present. I can think of an analogy if you can follow my flow...
Say you have two balloons (deflated) hooked up to two hoses. Hose 1 pumps out Gas A(psilocybe/psilocin) at a constant rate while Hose 2 pumps out Gas B(mushroom mass) at different rates. Say Gas B is expelled at a faster rate while Gas A is constant. You will see more of Gas B (mass) so the ratio will be more mass to psilo. But if Gas A and B pump out at a constant rate, the size will be smaller but the mass/psilo ratio will remain close or even.
Of course this isnt the most accurate portrayal but it helps give a visual... At least I hope it does...
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Re: Small v. Large fruit body [Re: coolrunning]
#7529352 - 10/17/07 09:30 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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coolrunning said: Aborts are great. I think i can help answering though.
Psilocybe cubensis is 90% so only 10% is present. I can think of an analogy if you can follow my flow...
Say you have two balloons (deflated) hooked up to two hoses. Hose 1 pumps out Gas A(psilocybe/psilocin) at a constant rate while Hose 2 pumps out Gas B(mushroom mass) at different rates. Say Gas B is expelled at a faster rate while Gas A is constant. You will see more of Gas B (mass) so the ratio will be more mass to psilo. But if Gas A and B pump out at a constant rate, the size will be smaller but the mass/psilo ratio will remain close or even.
Of course this isnt the most accurate portrayal but it helps give a visual... At least I hope it does...
you lost me at hose 1 pumps gas a
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anybody have any indications as to how much they loose potency?
I had some huge fuckers (60 grams wet)
just wondering, are we talking half the potency here?, or maybe smt like 10 differences per gram? Compared to normal shroomies?
I wanna know how much to dose
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Re: Small v. Large fruit body [Re: Ars vitae]
#12608427 - 05/22/10 07:12 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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The difference would be negligible, otherwise nobody would let their shroomies get big. That way you could eat less.
simply dose by weight not size of shroom.
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Re: Small v. Large fruit body [Re: Ars vitae]
#12608559 - 05/22/10 08:19 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ars vitae said: anybody have any indications as to how much they loose potency?
I had some huge fuckers (60 grams wet)
just wondering, are we talking half the potency here?, or maybe smt like 10 differences per gram? Compared to normal shroomies?
I wanna know how much to dose 
it's all about the same. 3 grams dry is typical.
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Re: Small v. Large fruit body [Re: anonjon]
#12608593 - 05/22/10 08:34 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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anonjon said:
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Ars vitae said: anybody have any indications as to how much they loose potency?
I had some huge fuckers (60 grams wet)
just wondering, are we talking half the potency here?, or maybe smt like 10 differences per gram? Compared to normal shroomies?
I wanna know how much to dose 
it's all about the same. 3 grams dry is typical.
5 grams is where the fun is at
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Re: Small v. Large fruit body [Re: anonjon]
#12608596 - 05/22/10 08:36 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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i see I made a typo with 10 I meant 10%
Cheers guys 
Will try some of my first homegrown Colombians in 3 weeks 
I typically go for smt like 4 grams
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Re: Small v. Large fruit body [Re: Buddha420]
#12608603 - 05/22/10 08:39 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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I know this will fly in the face of a lot of the responses here, but my personal experience has been that the larger ones are better. My theory is that since potency is strictly related to genetics, that the ones with stronger genes (larger fruits) will tend to be more potent. I have no idea if this is actually true, but I've always had better trips off of larger fruits.
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those are some of my biggest shrooms and i swear to you i eat only 2-2.5 grams and i trip my fucking balls off so they are up there with the best cubes ive had. size and potency are really not related. and if they are its negledgible.
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Re: Small v. Large fruit body [Re: coolrunning]
#12608745 - 05/22/10 09:25 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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coolrunning said: Aborts are great. I think i can help answering though.
Psilocybe cubensis is 90% so only 10% is present. I can think of an analogy if you can follow my flow...
Say you have two balloons (deflated) hooked up to two hoses. Hose 1 pumps out Gas A(psilocybe/psilocin) at a constant rate while Hose 2 pumps out Gas B(mushroom mass) at different rates. Say Gas B is expelled at a faster rate while Gas A is constant. You will see more of Gas B (mass) so the ratio will be more mass to psilo. But if Gas A and B pump out at a constant rate, the size will be smaller but the mass/psilo ratio will remain close or even.
Of course this isnt the most accurate portrayal but it helps give a visual... At least I hope it does...
where the fuck did you hear this nonsense
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Re: Small v. Large fruit body [Re: coolrunning]
#12608794 - 05/22/10 09:42 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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coolrunning said: Aborts are great. I think i can help answering though.
Psilocybe cubensis is 90% so only 10% is present. I can think of an analogy if you can follow my flow...
Say you have two balloons (deflated) hooked up to two hoses. Hose 1 pumps out Gas A(psilocybe/psilocin) at a constant rate while Hose 2 pumps out Gas B(mushroom mass) at different rates. Say Gas B is expelled at a faster rate while Gas A is constant. You will see more of Gas B (mass) so the ratio will be more mass to psilo. But if Gas A and B pump out at a constant rate, the size will be smaller but the mass/psilo ratio will remain close or even.
Of course this isnt the most accurate portrayal but it helps give a visual... At least I hope it does...
So the balloons are able to expel gas as they take it in at a variable rate? Are you saying that mushrooms will vary up and down in size and potency as they grow? I always thought growth in mushrooms was fairly linear. I'm not sure about psiloX development but I'd assume it's either pretty constant or more linear as the mushrooms grow.
Can you please expand on your thought without analogies?
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This thread is two years old, and you're asking questions to a person who hasn't logged on in two years......
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Re: Small v. Large fruit body [Re: BothHands]
#12608851 - 05/22/10 09:57 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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It was on the first page, didn't even notice the dates on the posts.
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Don't think anyone else noticed either..
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Re: Small v. Large fruit body [Re: BothHands]
#12608869 - 05/22/10 10:01 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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hahahahaha thanks for pointing that out.
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Re: Small v. Large fruit body [Re: drewb149]
#12608910 - 05/22/10 10:13 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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OK, here's the straight story:
If Psilocybin is a going north at 50 MPH while mushroom mass is going east at 45 MPH....
OK, I am over it ;0)
One thing that I have heard, but that you will want to confirm, is that at some point (was it veil breakage?) the production of psychoactive substances slows and/or stops, and that after this point larger shrooms will not yield larger highs.
...but then again, picking before the veils break is also recommended to avoid having spores damage substrates, and so I may be crossing wires.
90 days to get to the marketplace? Dang! Well, I will still be here.
P.S. While 5 grams might be a heroic (McKenna via Hicks) dose, I want to go on the record as suggesting to people who are considering trying shrooms for the first time that they try 1-2 grams of Cubes. What this means for Cyans and Azures I cannot say...yet, but when I eat them for the first time, I am going to start with 1 g.
Please correct as necessary.
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Re: Small v. Large fruit body [Re: Javadog]
#12608963 - 05/22/10 10:29 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Javadog said: OK, here's the straight story:
If Psilocybin is a going north at 50 MPH while mushroom mass is going east at 45 MPH....
OK, I am over it ;0)
One thing that I have heard, but that you will want to confirm, is that at some point (was it veil breakage?) the production of psychoactive substances slows and/or stops, and that after this point larger shrooms will not yield larger highs.
...but then again, picking before the veils break is also recommended to avoid having spores damage substrates, and so I may be crossing wires.
90 days to get to the marketplace? Dang! Well, I will still be here.
P.S. While 5 grams might be a heroic (McKenna via Hicks) dose, I want to go on the record as suggesting to people who are considering trying shrooms for the first time that they try 1-2 grams of Cubes. What this means for Cyans and Azures I cannot say...yet, but when I eat them for the first time, I am going to start with 1 g.
Please correct as necessary.
potency has nothing to do with the veil or size.
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Re: Small v. Large fruit body [Re: Javadog]
#12609335 - 05/22/10 12:05 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Javadog said: P.S. While 5 grams might be a heroic (McKenna via Hicks) dose, I want to go on the record as suggesting to people who are considering trying shrooms for the first time that they try 1-2 grams of Cubes. What this means for Cyans and Azures I cannot say...yet, but when I eat them for the first time, I am going to start with 1 g.
Please correct as necessary.
Take a real dose, 2 g at least. I've seen lots of noobs ruin their first opportunity by under-dosing. They eat a tiny bit and then wonder why they aren't feeling it. Meanwhile the rest of us are having a great time.
Eat a substantial amount and do some kind of fun physical activity with other people. (not tv, being introspective, reading) You'll love it.
Imagine this: the dentist tells you, "you've never had nitrous before, so I'm only going to give you half the normal dosage."
Take your medicine in correct dosages and enjoy it.
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Edited by anonjon (05/22/10 12:07 PM)
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Enthrall
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Re: Small v. Large fruit body [Re: anonjon]
#12609913 - 05/22/10 02:03 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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You guys scared me. I see a new thread by me in my account and Im thinking, Oh fuck someone guessed my account password. Then I see it says posted in 2007
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Re: Small v. Large fruit body [Re: Enthrall]
#12620620 - 05/24/10 03:02 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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LOL
sorry dude!
my bad 
nice tea blog btw, got me to regain my tea interest again
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Re: Small v. Large fruit body [Re: Ars vitae]
#12621812 - 05/24/10 06:42 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ars vitae said: LOL
sorry dude!
my bad 
nice tea blog btw, got me to regain my tea interest again
Thx I really need to update it though. I dont get the time. Hey no college right now so I'll get a new post in there.
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Re: Small v. Large fruit body [Re: Enthrall]
#12621847 - 05/24/10 06:48 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Never took the time to gauge potency difference between small and large fruit bodies...
I do believe that aborts are gram per gram more potent then mature full grown shrooms....but that's only based on a few trips where I ate aborts,and even then it was all MS so that pretty much makes it in valid...but IMO aborts are stronger.
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