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Folks that have broken through many times on both DMT & Salvia
    #7524657 - 10/16/07 06:21 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

How would you compare the two trips?

Which was more frightening or confusing?

Which was more enlightening?

Which was more vivid?


Curious to hear some feedback from psychonauts that have had many journeys with both of these dimensional doorway opening compounds...


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Re: Folks that have broken through many times on both DMT & Salvia [Re: EthericOctopuss]
    #7524742 - 10/16/07 06:37 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

theres is no comparing them
they both are frightening in completly diffrent ways. Sacvia made me forget who or hwere i was or what drug i had done, scary. DMT is like feeling a super nova burst in your nervous system, scary. it depends on how you look at it

as for enlightening and vivid. thats inpossible to say

both have very convincing, consuming visual aspects. DMT and salvia are great tools for becomeing more grateful. dont wast your time drawing lines. disolve them :dancingshroom:


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Re: Folks that have broken through many times on both DMT & Salvia [Re: EthericOctopuss]
    #7524847 - 10/16/07 07:02 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

they are very different. it's hard to compare them, dmt visuals are very "geometric" while salvia visuals seem more "organic". i was way more nervous before trying dmt for the first time than i was when when i first smoked salvia, but i think that was due to all the things i've read about dmt's intensity. when i actually smoked the dmt i didn't find it scary at all, and i don't find salvia scary at all either. i personally enjoy salvia more than dmt, but i have smoked dmt alone probably like 5 times at most while i have smoked salvia 30+ times so i think it's just that i'm more accustomed to salvia. in terms of intensity, they are both intense as hell, and if you combine them it just becomes ridiculously intense but still quite enjoyable.


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Re: Folks that have broken through many times on both DMT & Salvia [Re: maggotz]
    #7524890 - 10/16/07 07:18 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

hehe. that combo always seemed interesting.
salvias visuals never really struct me as organic. moreshreded and distorted. like some inpossible thing would happen, but for some resson its very obvious to you at that moment why and how it is happening. examples: had my arm meld into my roof. had thoughts ripped out and "lined up" as me and my freinds call it. skysemed reality into a flip book of sorts. had my head turn into an ice cream cone.....
all these things where incredably intense but for some ressson i was able to explain what was happening. no matter how twisted. dmt i cant explain. its almost as if i see the dimensinal shift coming, i see the shapes and the crawling vibration and i think "ok here we go" then i just loose it. your brain has no bering on what its seeing. the dimensions are all alian everthing is unseen to your eyes.
thatss why its hard to draw from the experience later, you dont know just wht it is you saw


thats my take anyway


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Re: Folks that have broken through many times on both DMT & Salvia [Re: notapillow]
    #7524909 - 10/16/07 07:23 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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like some inpossible thing would happen, but for some resson its very obvious to you at that moment why and how it is happening.



right on.


and dmt is insane, i should extract some and experiment more with it.


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Re: Folks that have broken through many times on both DMT & Salvia [Re: notapillow]
    #7524931 - 10/16/07 07:28 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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had my head turn into an ice cream cone.....





LMFAO!!!!


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Re: Folks that have broken through many times on both DMT & Salvia [Re: EthericOctopuss]
    #7524962 - 10/16/07 07:36 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

no lie
it was obvious.
it was clear
i understood it had to happen my head melted down onto my head witch formed a coneish wafely texture.
i then broke through hard core and skisimed myself into some reflactive miror univers world where i was hovering above all posibilities and time. i then floated down through the vortex and landed back in my shoes standing completly bewildered in my room


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Re: Folks that have broken through many times on both DMT & Salvia [Re: notapillow]
    #7525087 - 10/16/07 07:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Ive never done either (successfully anyway, I did salvia but i smoked it like weed and just got high) but would an apt analogy be salvia is to mushrooms as dmt is to acid?


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Re: Folks that have broken through many times on both DMT & Salvia [Re: g00ru]
    #7525240 - 10/16/07 08:21 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

My Sally experience was similar, there was no left or right, and everything was thinned out to the thickness of one atom, and I was being slowly drained away into the universe one atom at a time.

I hated it, but the next day I was glad I did it, and slightly intrigued and curious to try it again.

I still have 3/4 a gram of 30x.


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Re: Folks that have broken through many times on both DMT & Salvia [Re: Captain Cubensis]
    #7525404 - 10/16/07 08:49 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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My Sally experience was similar, there was no left or right, and everything was thinned out to the thickness of one atom, and I was being slowly drained away into the universe one atom at a time.

I hated it, but the next day I was glad I did it, and slightly intrigued and curious to try it again.

I still have 3/4 a gram of 30x.




WHOA! Did you start out with 30x?

Man, I'm either starting with leaves or 5x.


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Re: Folks that have broken through many times on both DMT & Salvia [Re: EthericOctopuss]
    #7525418 - 10/16/07 08:51 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Man, I'm either starting with leaves or 5x.



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Re: Folks that have broken through many times on both DMT & Salvia [Re: maggotz]
    #7525584 - 10/16/07 09:26 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

You'll meet some new friends through DMT...they are pretty strange, and sometimes funny, lol


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Re: Folks that have broken through many times on both DMT & Salvia [Re: enesi]
    #7525667 - 10/16/07 09:40 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I started out with what must have been at least 30X. It was a very strong home made extract. I later bought 20X and found it not as strong.

I don't know if I recommend it or not but I started with salvia by constantly hitting level 5 and 6 until I got used to it. Sort of. I'm not sure you ever really get completely used to it. You more or less come to terms with it and or go insane trying. I'm not really sure which I succeeded at. :smile:

I wish I had enough DMT experience to make a quality relation. I've only used dmt a few times though and doubt I will again due to it's strain on my already strained cardiovascular system. (years of uncontrolled high blood pressure while smoking and drinking too much.) My impressions so far though is that salvia is more earthly where as dmt is more cosmic. Seems like I've even read or heard someone else say that before. Makes sense to me anyway.

Going by reports more people seem to like dmt than salvia. I'm the opposite. I have a 100's of salvia experiences for each of my dmt experiences though so that's natural I guess.


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Re: Folks that have broken through many times on both DMT & Salvia [Re: EthericOctopuss]
    #7530037 - 10/18/07 04:06 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Wow, been a while since I posted here last.

I've broke through on DMT and salvia a few times on each. I find salvia to be almost confusing, atonal, almost scattered and bizarre. DMT on the other hand is literally mind blowing. DMT is more strict of form, powerfully geometric, very intense but truly the most amazing thing I have ever experienced in my life and it never ceases to amaze. DMT=10 minutes in the Total Perspective Vortex.


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Re: Folks that have broken through many times on both DMT & Salvia [Re: EthericOctopuss]
    #7530040 - 10/18/07 04:08 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Wow, been a while since I posted here last.

I've broke through on DMT and salvia a few times on each. I find salvia to be almost confusing, atonal, almost scattered and bizarre. DMT on the other hand is literally mind blowing. DMT is more strict of form, powerfully geometric, very intense but truly the most amazing thing I have ever experienced in my life and it never ceases to amaze. DMT=10 minutes in the Total Perspective Vortex.


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Re: Folks that have broken through many times on both DMT & Salvia [Re: EthericOctopuss]
    #7530041 - 10/18/07 04:09 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Wow, been a while since I posted here last.

I've broke through on DMT and salvia a few times on each. I find salvia to be almost confusing, atonal, almost scattered and bizarre. DMT on the other hand is literally mind blowing. DMT is more strict of form, powerfully geometric, very intense but truly the most amazing thing I have ever experienced in my life and it never ceases to amaze. DMT=10 minutes in the Total Perspective Vortex.

And to Guruu. No, total opposite IMO. I find DMT strikingly similar to mushrooms but more immediately powerful and reality bending, whereas salvia can sometimes take on the oddness and uncertainty of an acid trip, but thats just my subjective opinion.


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Re: Folks that have broken through many times on both DMT & Salvia [Re: EthericOctopuss]
    #7530042 - 10/18/07 04:12 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Wow, been a while since I posted here last.

I've broke through on DMT and salvia a few times on each. I find salvia to be almost confusing, atonal, almost scattered and bizarre. DMT on the other hand is literally mind blowing. DMT is more strict of form, powerfully geometric, very intense but truly the most amazing thing I have ever experienced in my life and it never ceases to amaze. DMT=10 minutes in the Total Perspective Vortex.

And to Guruu. No, total opposite IMO. I find DMT strikingly similar to mushrooms but more immediately powerful and reality bending, whereas salvia can sometimes take on the oddness and uncertainty of an acid trip, but thats just my subjective opinion.


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Re: Folks that have broken through many times on both DMT & Salvia [Re: j3ckyl]
    #7530244 - 10/18/07 06:36 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

They are both wierd...but salvia is more of an uncomfortable eerie weird, while dmt is more of a "NO WAY I CANT BELIEVE THIS IS HAPPENING/POSSIBLE" weird

I found DMT to be much more enlightening, mainly cause Salvia shifts me to worlds that i dont feel like we are supposed to go to

while DMT blasts me through a million different hypervibration universes to the center of them all

They are both vivid as shit

The comparison i've made before is that Salvia to me feels like being abandoned in some dark swamp somewhere, and DMT is like falling into the middle of times square on new years eve


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Re: Folks that have broken through many times on both DMT & Salvia [Re: Help on the Way]
    #7530543 - 10/18/07 09:15 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Cool overviews guys. So would most of you agree that the final destination of salvia travel is a jungle-like, or plant ridden environment?

A common theme seems to reoccur:Breakthroughs on...

Salvia tends to put you in touch with a female entity, which most refer to as lady salvia. She appears to sometimes offer insights and wisdom to voyagers, or sometimes scare the hell out of them.

DMT tends to put one in touch with the self-transforming machine elves. They appear to be a very kind, curious, and loving bunch. They seem to take joy in the fact that we have made the travel to their reality.


Please continue sharing your experiences fellas...


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Re: Folks that have broken through many times on both DMT & Salvia [Re: EthericOctopuss]
    #7530553 - 10/18/07 09:19 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Folks that have broken through many times on both DMT & Salvia [Re: ashfiken]
    #7530618 - 10/18/07 09:45 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Cool overviews guys. So would most of you agree that the final destination of salvia travel is a jungle-like, or plant ridden environment?





No. Sometimes that's the case. Very often it's not. There are so many possible destinations with salvia. Many ime have nothing to do with plants at all. Salvia does do the plant thing well though.


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Re: Folks that have broken through many times on both DMT & Salvia [Re: TripityDooDaDay]
    #7530806 - 10/18/07 10:54 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Cool overviews guys. So would most of you agree that the final destination of salvia travel is a jungle-like, or plant ridden environment?





No. Sometimes that's the case. Very often it's not. There are so many possible destinations with salvia. Many ime have nothing to do with plants at all. Salvia does do the plant thing well though.




Very interesting. Could you describe some of the other types on environments it has taken you to?


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Re: Folks that have broken through many times on both DMT & Salvia [Re: EthericOctopuss]
    #7530856 - 10/18/07 11:11 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Not very well. Words don't work that way.

Some destinations seem normal except that you may be a different person. You may be in a different time. You may become an inanimate object. You may visit or become a part of a completely alien environment...

Salvia experiences have so much variance that you can't really define a "final destination".

One of the single most defining aspects of a salvia experience is the feeling of realness to whatever environment it takes you to.

No matter how strange the environment may be it usually feels genuinely real. It can make you seriously ponder the realness of ordinary everyday life upon return.


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Re: Folks that have broken through many times on both DMT & Salvia [Re: TripityDooDaDay]
    #7530879 - 10/18/07 11:19 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Salvia breakthroughs rip me from my body and Im thrown in some strange, impossible parrelel universe. I cannot usually discern any visuals, other than some strange pattering of realities. With DMT it is more beautiful geometircs with intense colors, and a merging with the infinite... DMT is amazing.


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Re: Folks that have broken through many times on both DMT & Salvia [Re: EthericOctopuss]
    #7531278 - 10/18/07 01:36 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Both experiences can be incredibly powerful. Trends I've noticed personally and for other people include: first, that salvia is not as "euphoric" as DMT. Second, that the nature of DMT visuals can be likened more closely to mushrooms than can salvia visuals. For instance, I'd wager more folks would describe DMT visuals as potentially "kaleidoscopic" than with salvia. (I think people are more likely to get a clearer picture of autonomous entities or creatures on DMT than salvia -- though visuals are something which you can't really predict except on the most basic level.) Third, that salvia can be a bit more somatic than DMT.

For me salvia has tended to be less pleasurable, murkier, and indeed more swamp-like than DMT. Say you're kidnapped by a witch (it happens.) She's not going to have DMT on the shelf; she's going to have salvia--in between the frog's eyes and the toadstool. Gandalf will have DMT.
Really the best is to combine salvia with DMT or 5-Meo-DMT though. "Oh look at that, I'm dissolving. My essence is leaking atomic energy and blending with that of the unknown universe. Stop Dave, I'm afraid. My mind is going... I can feel it... I can feel it... Ma meeshka mow skwoz, eh......eh........"


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Re: Folks that have broken through many times on both DMT & Salvia [Re: EthericOctopuss]
    #7531597 - 10/18/07 02:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Cool overviews guys. So would most of you agree that the final destination of salvia travel is a jungle-like, or plant ridden environment?

A common theme seems to reoccur:Breakthroughs on...

Salvia tends to put you in touch with a female entity, which most refer to as lady salvia. She appears to sometimes offer insights and wisdom to voyagers, or sometimes scare the hell out of them.

DMT tends to put one in touch with the self-transforming machine elves. They appear to be a very kind, curious, and loving bunch. They seem to take joy in the fact that we have made the travel to their reality.


Please continue sharing your experiences fellas...



I have often realized a female presence with dmt. Usually it's a female being that is by my side..just out of view. Perhaps looking over my shoulder and giving me a tour of the show.

And sometimes those elves can be pretty sly and tricky...they may seem nice and friendly at times, but i think it's just an act!! lol

Every trip is different though...expect the unexpected.


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Re: Folks that have broken through many times on both DMT & Salvia [Re: TripityDooDaDay]
    #7531878 - 10/18/07 03:59 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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No matter how strange the environment may be it usually feels genuinely real. It can make you seriously ponder the realness of ordinary everyday life upon return.



exactly. and in all my experience with salvia i have never come in contact with "lady salvia", i have felt many "presences" though.


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Re: Folks that have broken through many times on both DMT & Salvia [Re: maggotz]
    #7532337 - 10/18/07 05:46 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I definetly agree that salvia is an erie murky expirience, Ive had some great expiriences with salvia, 20x every time, one time I forgot I was smoking it while smoking it another time the voices coming from the TV were talking to and/or about me, Ive gotten some minor OEVs nothing really worth mentioning and one time where I pretty much blacked out and had some crazy visions of alternate realities but I still dont think ive really had a break through, as for dmt I would love to try it but have no idea where to get it.


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Re: Folks that have broken through many times on both DMT & Salvia [Re: 2012shaman]
    #7532402 - 10/18/07 06:00 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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as for dmt I would love to try it but have no idea where to get it.





I got mine from Mimosa Hostilis Root Bark. :smile:


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Re: Folks that have broken through many times on both DMT & Salvia [Re: Land_Crab]
    #7532475 - 10/18/07 06:22 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Say you're kidnapped by a witch (it happens.) She's not going to have DMT on the shelf; she's going to have salvia--in between the frog's eyes and the toadstool.




man i have to completely agree with this statement


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Re: Folks that have broken through many times on both DMT & Salvia [Re: Land_Crab]
    #7533150 - 10/18/07 09:11 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Both experiences can be incredibly powerful. Trends I've noticed personally and for other people include: first, that salvia is not as "euphoric" as DMT. Second, that the nature of DMT visuals can be likened more closely to mushrooms than can salvia visuals. For instance, I'd wager more folks would describe DMT visuals as potentially "kaleidoscopic" than with salvia. (I think people are more likely to get a clearer picture of autonomous entities or creatures on DMT than salvia -- though visuals are something which you can't really predict except on the most basic level.) Third, that salvia can be a bit more somatic than DMT.

For me salvia has tended to be less pleasurable, murkier, and indeed more swamp-like than DMT. Say you're kidnapped by a witch (it happens.) She's not going to have DMT on the shelf; she's going to have salvia--in between the frog's eyes and the toadstool. Gandalf will have DMT.
Really the best is to combine salvia with DMT or 5-Meo-DMT though. "Oh look at that, I'm dissolving. My essence is leaking atomic energy and blending with that of the unknown universe. Stop Dave, I'm afraid. My mind is going... I can feel it... I can feel it... Ma meeshka mow skwoz, eh......eh........"




That was an awesome anology. Although I don't know if I'd have the cajones to combine the two. LOL!


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Re: Folks that have broken through many times on both DMT & Salvia [Re: EthericOctopuss]
    #7533204 - 10/18/07 09:28 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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That was an awesome anology. Although I don't know if I'd have the cajones to combine the two. LOL!





It's not really so much more extreme as different. If you like both, try it.


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Re: Folks that have broken through many times on both DMT & Salvia [Re: EthericOctopuss]
    #7533325 - 10/18/07 09:55 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

yeah the intensity is definitely increased when combined, but if you can manage either by themselves you can manage them combined. the experience itself is quite different from the effects of each drug by itself. i definitely recommend it just be ready for a very unpredictable ride. :tripping:


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