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what fear and loathing was saying about drugs
#7524569 - 10/16/07 06:02 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think this movie clearly says you can't live your life doing drugs all the time, taking mescaline and ether at a carnival. After Duke drops off Dr. Gonzo at the air port theres that moment where duke is talking about Tim Leary's fatal flaw. Close to the end of the movie. "a generation of permanent cripples, failed seekers, who never understood the essential old-mystic of the Acid Culture: the desperate assumption that somebody or at least some force -- is tending the light at the end of the tunnel." I think Tim Leary had good ideas, but didn't think about the repercussion LSD would have on the world. What do you guys think?
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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: clemens]
#7524598 - 10/16/07 06:09 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I thought it was about the little guy and the big guy with a knife, like in the Friday movie.
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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: clemens]
#7524601 - 10/16/07 06:10 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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i think if we never had anyone who acted like timothy leary we would all be under fascism more horrific than any of us can imagine.
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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: Clean]
#7524621 - 10/16/07 06:14 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think Timothy Leary was a retarded headcase.
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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: Clean]
#7524627 - 10/16/07 06:15 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Dr Gonzo was a complete drug addict, and a nut... But he was one of the most amazing, drug fueled nuts to walk this planet
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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: Clean]
#7524631 - 10/16/07 06:16 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Clean said: i think if we never had anyone who acted like timothy leary we would all be under fascism more horrific than any of us can imagine.
Why? What did Timothy Leary do to save us from a horrific, fascist state?
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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: mytehdogizflying]
#7524637 - 10/16/07 06:17 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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nah man, like you see man, you gotta dig man, on this stuff man, that cat did all sorts man, he saved...man...dig...and free.
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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: mytehdogizflying]
#7524661 - 10/16/07 06:21 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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he did what he thought was right based on the evidence at the time that LSD could be a great thing for humanity. can you imagine what life might be like if no one in history had ever acted in the interest of bettering the human condition?
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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: TheCow]
#7524667 - 10/16/07 06:22 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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If it werent for Timothy Leary and the 60's, everything would still be in black and white
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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: Clean]
#7524670 - 10/16/07 06:23 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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i once acted in bettering the human condition. One time I made these ribs man, FUCK man that shit was out of control. Meat be melting off the bone and shit nigga damn that shit was bangin. I let all my friends dig on it too, shit man Im on that acting in the betterment of the human condition shit and you can't fuckin deny cracka.
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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: Clean]
#7524680 - 10/16/07 06:25 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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But what about the movie? Fear and Loathing is almost a anti drug film, it most definitely is not but in a way it really shows drugs are not just all fun and games. You can't just buy peace and understanding for 3 bucks a hit.
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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: clemens]
#7524702 - 10/16/07 06:29 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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i wouldn't say it's pro or anti drug... in terms of the filmmaker's intentions... drugs were a part of the story. it does show the freakier darker side of things. remember set and setting. i've never tripped in vegas, have you?
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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: TheCow]
#7524764 - 10/16/07 06:43 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hahahahahah.... hahahahaah.
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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: Hefe]
#7524806 - 10/16/07 06:53 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think it means that people who didn't have an opinion to begin with tryed to find one using drugs. This cannot work. But if you have and opinion and a solid foundation of who you are and what you want then and only then can it help open your mind to the path you have alreadychosen.
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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: Walter1496211]
#7524901 - 10/16/07 07:21 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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i thought the movie was kind of like "the druggies guide to the galaxy" a type of instructional guide movie on how to do-it-big, f'real tho.
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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: blkjkrabbit]
#7524959 - 10/16/07 07:36 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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leary gave out acid like crackers. even to kids that were underage. what's the discussion here - he was fucked up, like a child that never grew up. and not in a peter pan way.
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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: Bridgeburner]
#7524973 - 10/16/07 07:38 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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b0red5tiff said: leary gave out acid like crackers. even to kids that were underage. what's the discussion here - he was fucked up, like a child that never grew up. and not in a peter pan way.
I took acid for the first time on my 13th birthday I'm Fine.
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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: Walter1496211]
#7525006 - 10/16/07 07:43 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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some girl jumped off a bridge while on shrooms - she's not. so what?
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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: Bridgeburner]
#7525022 - 10/16/07 07:46 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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b0red5tiff said: leary gave out acid like crackers. even to kids that were underage.
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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: Bridgeburner]
#7525032 - 10/16/07 07:48 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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b0red5tiff said: some girl jumped off a bridge while on shrooms - she's not. so what?
What do you care looks like your slitting your wrists. What does the sanctity of life matter to you?
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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: Walter1496211]
#7525144 - 10/16/07 08:04 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Read his comment again, I think he was pointing out how horribly wrong a psychedelic trip can go for an unprepared youth.
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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: MrKite1]
#7525167 - 10/16/07 08:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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leary was so enthusiastic about the effects of acid he disregarded the threats. like hst said it wasn't instant enlightenment 5$ a pop, it was more complicated than that.
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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: Walter1496211]
#7525185 - 10/16/07 08:12 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Walter1496211 said: I think it means that people who didn't have an opinion to begin with tryed to find one using drugs. This cannot work. But if you have and opinion and a solid foundation of who you are and what you want then and only then can it help open your mind to the path you have already chosen.
I made that statement here.
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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: Clean]
#7525241 - 10/16/07 08:22 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Clean said: i think if we never had anyone who acted like timothy leary we would all be under fascism more horrific than any of us can imagine.
leary didn't do any more than inspire college kids to drop out and ruin their lives.
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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: clemens]
#7525250 - 10/16/07 08:23 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't think fear and loathing is anti drug, but might be sending a message about the importance of moderation. Moderation is key to many things, especially with drugs.
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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: aDoS]
#7525298 - 10/16/07 08:32 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think the movie demystifies drugs.
Fear and Loathing was written by Hunter Thompson in the early seventies. He was watching the idealism and mysticism of the sixties crumble away into nonsense. He was looking at the thing realistically... laughing at the fact that at the end of the day, you take a lot of drugs and get all fucked up, and that's why we do it, mostly. It doesn't always have to be about seeing god and what not.
HST took an honest look at the world, then cringed, laughed, and shrugged, mumbled to himself, and kept on going.
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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: Noviseer]
#7525317 - 10/16/07 08:36 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Noviseer said: I think the movie demystifies drugs.
Fear and Loathing was written by Hunter Thompson in the early seventies. He was watching the idealism and mysticism of the sixties crumble away into nonsense. He was looking at the thing realistically... laughing at the fact that at the end of the day, you take a lot of drugs and get all fucked up, and that's why we do it, mostly. It doesn't always have to be about seeing god and what not.
HST took an honest look at the world, then cringed, laughed, and shrugged, mumbled to himself, and kept on going.
Very well said.
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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: Walter1496211]
#7525372 - 10/16/07 08:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Noviseer said: I think the movie demystifies drugs.
Fear and Loathing was written by Hunter Thompson in the early seventies. He was watching the idealism and mysticism of the sixties crumble away into nonsense. He was looking at the thing realistically... laughing at the fact that at the end of the day, you take a lot of drugs and get all fucked up, and that's why we do it, mostly. It doesn't always have to be about seeing god and what not.
HST took an honest look at the world, then cringed, laughed, and shrugged, mumbled to himself, and kept on going.
Very well said.
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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: JunkFood]
#7527931 - 10/17/07 02:06 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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b0red5tiff said: leary gave out acid like crackers. even to kids that were underage.
Link?
would also like to see this. Leary was against the miss use of acid. I don't think he would have kids tripping on acid. It is just acid became to big, it was the new thing. To many people were using it and when you such a large number of people using a powerful drug that is when it becomes dangerous. He thought he was going to change the world and didn't think people were going to be stupid. Fact remains that acid is a drug and is sold to people so they can get "high" and that is not what Leary really intended.
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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: clemens]
#7527958 - 10/17/07 02:16 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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leary was all for acid. there's a documentary "the beyond within" or something. little kids are talking about how acid is better than becoming the pope or reading the bible 6 times over or whatever. the merry pranksters weren't that crazy but leary's side was. he wanted the kids not to participate in the corporate world or the american life like their parents. he wanted utopia to happen, one way for that (for him) to give young people LSD.
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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: Bridgeburner]
#7528038 - 10/17/07 02:41 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Dr. Timothy Leary is often chastised by uninformed individuals, I too used to chastise him based on what I had heard.
He was most definitely an important character; he essentially started the whole counter culture movement; if it wasn't for him LSD probably would of stayed amongst the closed circles of psychiatrists and pharmacologists.
He was an individual that saw hope for the world; after 2 horrific wars, he found optimism, hope and promise in a miraculous drug. The reason so many people 'dropped out' is because they saw the light; they were part of the dehumanizing machine that is society. He encouraged individuality and thought for freedom.
Listen to his LSD and Mind control lecture 
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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: Cepheus]
#7528048 - 10/17/07 02:43 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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yeah, listen to a lecture about mind control so he can remove all doubts... 
i'm not saying he is a "bad man", i say he had good intentions but was going at it like a small kid.
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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: Bridgeburner]
#7528101 - 10/17/07 02:59 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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He was approaching it from an idealists perspective. What more can you expect from a Buddhist/ explorer of the psyche / esoteric teacher.
He wasn't a little kid about it at all; he did _LOADS_ of research on the topic (and its all floating around the web). LSD is not dangerous, people are dangerous.
People chastise him for societies mistakes; the reason theres such a thing as an acid casualty is because of social conditioning; people are bred to fear; Listen to the song working class hero by John Lennon.
"The only abuse of drugs, is the control of drugs by other people; the only control is self control" - Tim Leary.
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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: Cepheus]
#7528113 - 10/17/07 03:01 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Cepheus said: "People use the word "natural"... What is natural to me is these botanical species which interact directly with the nervous system. What I consider artificial is 4 years at Harvard, and the Bible, and Saint Patrick's cathedral, and the sunday school teachings." - Tim Leary.
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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: JunkFood]
#7528138 - 10/17/07 03:09 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Leary's two psychedelic suggestions (i call them suggestions rather than commandments)
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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: clemens]
#7528192 - 10/17/07 03:25 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think the movie is less about the pitfalls of drug abuse and more about the failure of the hippy movement, of which drug use played a significant part.
Basically Thompson is saying that the hippy movement had all this potential to change the world for the better but failed to do so because it was unorganized, impractical, and too based in ideals that didn't pan out in reality.
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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: wps]
#7528201 - 10/17/07 03:28 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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wps said: I think the movie is less about the pitfalls of drug abuse and more about the failure of the hippy movement, of which drug use played a significant part.
Basically Thompson is saying that the hippy movement had all this potential to change the world for the better but failed to do so because it was unorganized, impractical, and too based in ideals that didn't pan out in reality.
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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: Bridgeburner]
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still true today as well.
the only reason liberals still get fucked by conservatives on a regular basis is simply because we are too unorganized to effectively fight back, or we are too nonmaterial and idealistic to realize or care that we are being fucked.
Neoconservatives are actively using their monetary and political clout to oppress liberals any way they can, while all the liberals argue with eachother, don't participate in the political process, or pursue avenues of change that are ineffective pipe-dreams.
The sad thing is we outnumber them, but can't match their solidarity, determination, guile, and self-confidence. The very tolerance and open-mindedness that defines us is our undoing. Maybe evil does triumph over good after all.
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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: Cepheus]
#7528293 - 10/17/07 03:47 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Cepheus said: he essentially started the whole counter culture movement
What the hell are you talking about? That is utter bullshit
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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: Noviseer]
#7528339 - 10/17/07 03:56 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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HST took an honest look at the world, then cringed, laughed, and shrugged, mumbled to himself, and kept on going.
He also blew his own brains out. 
F&LILV doesn't de-mystify drugs. Scenes like Duke watching blook-soaked dinosaurs mauling each other (good metaphor!), and watching Dr. Gonzo morph into a hairy Satanic mule thingy, do nothing if not creating a mystique around drug use.
It's a movie about one man's (often substance-induced) observations of the darker side of the 'American Dream'. Hunter S. Thompson's views on the use of drugs was far more complex than anything conveyed in the film, as anyone who's read a lot of his essays can attest.
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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: TheCow]
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What the hell are you talking about? That is utter bullshit
Well seeing he was probably the most essential person in making LSD popular I would say that is a big role in starting the counter culture movement.
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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: clemens]
#7528498 - 10/17/07 04:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I was just about to rant about that; but you did it for me 
Leary publicized LSD, if it wasn't for him, only the social elite, pharmacologists and psychologists would know of it. It would be as obscure to us as any other research chemical.
Therefore playing a huge role in the counter culture.
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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: Cepheus]
#7528506 - 10/17/07 04:48 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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that doesn't give much credit to the beatnik movement before the hippies.
also, there were lots of other people who spread the gospel of LSD. That one Air Force Guy, Hubbard I think his name was, he distributed LSD to a lot of influential people. Its all in the book 'Acid Dreams'.
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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: wps]
#7528516 - 10/17/07 04:51 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Notice how I worded that statement, I said essentially, not that he did start the 'revolution'.
There are lots of key players in any revolution, but it is very naive to ignore Dr.Timothy Leary, ph. D as one of them.
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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: clemens]
#7528598 - 10/17/07 05:10 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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thompson seems to be on opposite side of the spectrum to leary
thompson always said "i like drugs, but i wouldnt recommend them" or something of that nature
while leary tried to spread the drug and its influence as far and wide as possible
i think the truth of drugs is somewhere in between
they have good effects and some people should try them but not everyone
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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: clemens]
#7530199 - 10/18/07 06:13 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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For psychonauts, Fear and Loathing is like BMX Bandits is for BMX acrobats... You watch it like 30 times for inspiration, and for learning. How and what should you do with drugs... Both ends with a warning, that you should not try it at home etc. etc.
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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: clemens]
#7530834 - 10/18/07 11:03 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't understand why the movie started out with really good special efects (Duke's acid come-up when arriving at the hotel) and then just having pathetic effects: There's some really cool CGI/camera tricks up until the point when they get into the hotel room; then, the effects become just a projection of some war footage on the floor ("the "big machine in the sky"). What the fuck? How does it go from CGI to low budget B movie crap? Every subsequent special effect in the movie from that point (which there aren't many of) is just costumes and camera speed.
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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: JunkFood]
#7530896 - 10/18/07 11:23 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think Hunter had respect for LSD but understood it's danger. He really had more of a problem with Tim Leary and he says so in the audio commentary on the Criterion edition of the DVD.
To me it is more along the lines of how he says something about how "former drug abusers espouse how you can get a lot higher without drugs than with them; I myself have never been able relate to that"
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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: clemens]
#16200913 - 05/08/12 05:56 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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his idea of misuse differs maybe from the ones of other people.
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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: Valdigurka]
#16200917 - 05/08/12 05:57 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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again... 4 and a half years ago buddy. If you're gonna post don't bump ridiculously old threads like this.
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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: Cj-B]
#16200929 - 05/08/12 06:01 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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haha sorry man, i was just browsing saw some stuff, commented. didnt even think of how old it was.
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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: Valdigurka]
#16200951 - 05/08/12 06:06 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's fine. New poster and whatnot. You'll get trolled/flamed really hard if you do it more then a couple times though.
Also welcome to the Shroomery.
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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: clemens]
#16201303 - 05/08/12 07:17 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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clemens said: I think this movie clearly says you can't live your life doing drugs all the time, taking mescaline and ether at a carnival. After Duke drops off Dr. Gonzo at the air port theres that moment where duke is talking about Tim Leary's fatal flaw. Close to the end of the movie. "a generation of permanent cripples, failed seekers, who never understood the essential old-mystic of the Acid Culture: the desperate assumption that somebody or at least some force -- is tending the light at the end of the tunnel." I think Tim Leary had good ideas, but didn't think about the repercussion LSD would have on the world. What do you guys think?
The movie says a lot. It's mostly making fun of the joke of "having a purpose" in my opinion. There's no purpose without drugs, hence all the fucking idiots spending their life savings in Vegas, and there's no purpose with drugs, hence all the idiots spending all their money and time on drugs. It's a pretty depressing story really. HST killed himself over this reality of nothingness that he discovered.
Having said that, it's my favorite book of all time (well, maybe tied with Doors of Perception) and one fucking awesome movie.
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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: pfxtc]
#16201638 - 05/08/12 08:18 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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wow, this web site is very drug oriented. I'm surprised I spend so much time on here 
movie was about two dudes losing their mind, mostly. The beginning was cool them talking about a wave that was swept backwards, the wave of hippie politics. I don't think that was ever just about lsd of course, more about freedom and what it really means.
good flick though
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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: JunkFood]
#16201669 - 05/08/12 08:23 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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JunkFood said: I don't understand why the movie started out with really good special efects (Duke's acid come-up when arriving at the hotel) and then just having pathetic effects: There's some really cool CGI/camera tricks up until the point when they get into the hotel room; then, the effects become just a projection of some war footage on the floor ("the "big machine in the sky"). What the fuck? How does it go from CGI to low budget B movie crap? Every subsequent special effect in the movie from that point (which there aren't many of) is just costumes and camera speed.
either way the movie is EXTREMELY trippy. At one point in my life, I thought if I watched that movie tripping balls I might freak out and need to go to an institution. The fucked up thing about the movie was believing they had real jobs. At that time in my life I was young and thought you could do all that and have a real job and do that on the weekends, meh..
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