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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: TheCow]
    #7528474 - 10/17/07 04:36 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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he essentially started the whole counter culture movement



What the hell are you talking about? That is utter bullshit



Well seeing he was probably the most essential person in making LSD popular I would say that is a big role in starting the counter culture movement.


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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: clemens]
    #7528498 - 10/17/07 04:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I was just about to rant about that; but you did it for me :grin:

Leary publicized LSD, if it wasn't for him, only the social elite, pharmacologists and psychologists would know of it. It would be as obscure to us as any other research chemical.

Therefore playing a huge role in the counter culture.


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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: Cepheus]
    #7528506 - 10/17/07 04:48 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

that doesn't give much credit to the beatnik movement before the hippies.

also, there were lots of other people who spread the gospel of LSD. That one Air Force Guy, Hubbard I think his name was, he distributed LSD to a lot of influential people. Its all in the book 'Acid Dreams'.


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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: wps]
    #7528516 - 10/17/07 04:51 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Notice how I worded that statement, I said essentially, not that he did start the 'revolution'.

There are lots of key players in any revolution, but it is very naive to ignore Dr.Timothy Leary, ph. D as one of them.


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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: clemens]
    #7528598 - 10/17/07 05:10 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

thompson seems to be on opposite side of the spectrum to leary

thompson always said "i like drugs, but i wouldnt recommend them" or something of that nature

while leary tried to spread the drug and its influence as far and wide as possible

i think the truth of drugs is somewhere in between

they have good effects and some people should try them but not everyone


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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: clemens]
    #7530199 - 10/18/07 06:13 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

For psychonauts, Fear and Loathing is like BMX Bandits is for BMX acrobats... You watch it like 30 times for inspiration, and for learning. How and what should you do with drugs... Both ends with a warning, that you should not try it at home etc. etc. :wink:


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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: clemens]
    #7530834 - 10/18/07 11:03 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I don't understand why the movie started out with really good special efects (Duke's acid come-up when arriving at the hotel) and then just having pathetic effects: There's some really cool CGI/camera tricks up until the point when they get into the hotel room; then, the effects become just a projection of some war footage on the floor ("the "big machine in the sky"). What the fuck? How does it go from CGI to low budget B movie crap? Every subsequent special effect in the movie from that point (which there aren't many of) is just costumes and camera speed.


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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: JunkFood]
    #7530896 - 10/18/07 11:23 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I think Hunter had respect for LSD but understood it's danger. He really had more of a problem with Tim Leary and he says so in the audio commentary on the Criterion edition of the DVD.

To me it is more along the lines of how he says something about how "former drug abusers espouse how you can get a lot higher without drugs than with them; I myself have never been able relate to that"


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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: clemens]
    #16200913 - 05/08/12 05:56 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

his idea of misuse differs maybe from the ones of other people.


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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: Valdigurka]
    #16200917 - 05/08/12 05:57 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

:facepalm: again... 4 and a half years ago buddy. If you're gonna post don't bump ridiculously old threads like this.


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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: Cj-B]
    #16200929 - 05/08/12 06:01 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

haha sorry man, i was just browsing saw some stuff, commented. didnt even think of how old it was.


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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: Valdigurka]
    #16200951 - 05/08/12 06:06 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

It's fine. New poster and whatnot. You'll get trolled/flamed really hard if you do it more then a couple times though.

Also welcome to the Shroomery.


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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: clemens]
    #16201303 - 05/08/12 07:17 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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I think this movie clearly says you can't live your life doing drugs all the time, taking mescaline and ether at a carnival. After Duke drops off Dr. Gonzo at the air port theres that moment where duke is talking about Tim Leary's fatal flaw. Close to the end of the movie. "a generation of permanent cripples, failed seekers, who never understood the essential old-mystic of the Acid Culture: the desperate assumption that somebody or at least some force -- is tending the light at the end of the tunnel." I think Tim Leary had good ideas, but didn't think about the repercussion LSD would have on the world. What do you guys think?




The movie says a lot. It's mostly making fun of the joke of "having a purpose" in my opinion. There's no purpose without drugs, hence all the fucking idiots spending their life savings in Vegas, and there's no purpose with drugs, hence all the idiots spending all their money and time on drugs. It's a pretty depressing story really. HST killed himself over this reality of nothingness that he discovered.

Having said that, it's my favorite book of all time (well, maybe tied with Doors of Perception) and one fucking awesome movie.

"No More Games. No More Bombs. No More Walking. No More Fun. No More Swimming. 67. That is 17 years past 50. 17 more than I needed or wanted. Boring. I am always bitchy. No Fun – for anybody. 67. You are getting Greedy. Act your old age. Relax – This won’t hurt."

:hst:

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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: pfxtc]
    #16201638 - 05/08/12 08:18 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

wow, this web site is very drug oriented. I'm surprised I spend so much time on here :lol:

movie was about two dudes losing their mind, mostly. The beginning was cool them talking about a wave that was swept backwards, the wave of hippie politics. I don't think that was ever just about lsd of course, more about freedom and what it really means.

good flick though


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Re: what fear and loathing was saying about drugs [Re: JunkFood]
    #16201669 - 05/08/12 08:23 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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I don't understand why the movie started out with really good special efects (Duke's acid come-up when arriving at the hotel) and then just having pathetic effects: There's some really cool CGI/camera tricks up until the point when they get into the hotel room; then, the effects become just a projection of some war footage on the floor ("the "big machine in the sky"). What the fuck? How does it go from CGI to low budget B movie crap? Every subsequent special effect in the movie from that point (which there aren't many of) is just costumes and camera speed.




either way the movie is EXTREMELY trippy. At one point in my life, I thought if I watched that movie tripping balls I might freak out and need to go to an institution. The fucked up thing about the movie was believing they had real jobs. At that time in my life I was young and thought you could do all that and have a real job and do that on the weekends, meh..

good old days, bliss and ignorance


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