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Re: Why are we not aloud to talk about locations? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
#7537444 - 10/19/07 09:53 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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When I first started looking I took the advice to make it part of your lifestyle, because you have to be on the lookout all the time. But I just started getting so stressed out and felt really sick.
Mushroom hunting stressful? Weird.
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Re: Why are we not aloud to talk about locations? [Re: Great Scott]
#7537446 - 10/19/07 09:54 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't believe you.
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Great Scott
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Re: Why are we not aloud to talk about locations? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
#7537656 - 10/19/07 11:24 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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You can't just go around trudging aimlessly through uncharted waters.  It's more conducive to try n' pay attention to things; ecological relationships and so forth... really zero in on the proper habitat parameters. Simply stated... it's kind of like process of elimination. And definitely the dirt time. You gotta (even until you're sore sometimes) put in the time and energy if you want a return.
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Re: Why are we not aloud to talk about locations? [Re: Ego Death]
#7537771 - 10/20/07 12:07 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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hahaha. Good luck trading "thousands" of amanita for someone's prized psilly spot. Later.
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Re: Why are we not aloud to talk about locations? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
#7538027 - 10/20/07 01:30 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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> When I first started looking I took the advice to make it part of your lifestyle, > because you have to be on the lookout all the time. But I just started getting > so stressed out and felt really sick.
LOL!!!
Well, if you see it as a chore or your interest is not in finding, but in getting high, then yeah, trying to do it ALL the time is gonna make you all strung out. The impulse comes naturally to me, I have to keep myself from scouting for mushrooms while driving and remember to keep my eyes on the road.
> If they were so easy to find, a lot more people would be looking, I think.
Uhhh, well... They are not that easy to find. You have to research and know what to look for. Many people pass by actives on a regular basis, but few people "stumble" upon them when they are not looking, and have enough knowledge to know what they are and collect them.
>> People who say they're easy to find I think are just in the right place, because >> in some places, you can look for a long time, until you are real sore and >> turned over lots of bushes and comb numerous giant woodchip piles and find >> nothing. It's just chance.
> people who say they are easy to find know what they are doing and have the desire to learn. it's not chance, it's education.
It is chance and education. You need to be in the right place, and you need to know what you are looking for.
For instance, I knew Ps. cyanescens habitat well when i lived in San Diego, and never found a thing. The first day I visited the Bay Area, I found a patch of them.
This suggests that it is luck/chance and education/practice.
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Re: Why are we not aloud to talk about locations? [Re: CureCat]
#7538080 - 10/20/07 02:04 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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i didnt have a clue about mycology at all last year... ive since learned and located cyans, azures, amanita muscaria, chantrelles, and also identified several other types that i dont want anything to do with (damn those mycenas they are everywhere!)
while i certainly think im in a good location, i also know of people in the area who havent found anything. ive spent a lot of time reading through these forums gathering information as well.
and even with my successes i'm sure there are other things im seeing and completely unaware of. there is certainly a learning curve, but this site is full of good information, and if you put in the time, itll happen.
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Re: Why are we not aloud to talk about locations? [Re: oregon97103]
#7538177 - 10/20/07 02:59 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm new to the hunting scene myself, but I've already made a lot of observations in the field that just reading text on the internet wouldn't have helped me to understand. I believe it's important to note the surrounding conditions of any mushroom you find, not just actives. I've only been on one hunt, but I've already found mushrooms in places I wouldn't expect. One example was an oak leaf I overturned, which had a tiny cluster of about four inactives underneath. Another was a large inactive cluster that, at a glance, appeared as a small sink or hole in the grass.
Mushrooms can hide themselves very well when they want to. You just have to make careful note of any surface anomalies you've seen that have produced finds, active or not. You'll eventually start to notice them more, at which point you'll hopefully be on the road to finding the good stuff.
But, don't take it from me if you don't want to. I myself have not encountered a psychedelic species yet, but I'm sure I will someday.
As for the rule about disclosing locations - I agree with it. Not because of the distant potential for legal troubles, but because I think that finding active mushrooms is something that should only occur for those who have invested time and effort towards tracking them down. I'm all for generosity if somebody wants to let a friend in on a secret plot of land, but having hot spots openly disclosed would downplay the knowledge and abilities of the people who are interested in the mushrooms themselves, not just their psychoactive effects.
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Re: Why are we not aloud to talk about locations? [Re: Gill]
#7538201 - 10/20/07 03:11 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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a good point. there was a time, when i was young, where i have vivid memory of wandering the the woods of alaska, fascinated as i have always been by forests and all they contain, and yet do not remember ever seeing or noticing a mushroom other than bracket fungi. one day, i just started noticing them. now, years later, i see mushrooms everywhere i go. i can not keep myself from looking for mushrooms no matter where i am or what i'm doing, at least passively.
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Re: Why are we not aloud to talk about locations? [Re: canid]
#7538223 - 10/20/07 03:28 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah. I've recently developed the habit to wanna skim over every patch of fresh grass I see. It sucks when you see a nice mushroom in the distance when you're amidst a group of people who wouldn't know what to think of you going over to look at it.
Ahh, such is life.
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Re: Why are we not aloud to talk about locations? [Re: Gill]
#7538238 - 10/20/07 03:48 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Gill said: It sucks when you see a nice mushroom in the distance when you're amidst a group of people who wouldn't know what to think of you going over to look at it.
Personally, I've stopped bothering with concealing my interests and general manner. I've come to realize that those people who tolerate my behaviour are far more novel than those who do not. And I prefer strange friends. So it works to my advantage.
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Re: Why are we not aloud to talk about locations? [Re: CureCat]
#7538528 - 10/20/07 08:28 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Uhhh, well... They are not that easy to find. You have to research and know what to look for. Many people pass by actives on a regular basis, but few people "stumble" upon them when they are not looking, and have enough knowledge to know what they are and collect them.
I know they're not easy to find. And I know you need to be educated.
This is what offends me so much. Here are some people who find what they're looking for, but then when other people don't find them, they are criticized.
It's an insult to my intelligence, and it's an insult to my labors. There are many people who look and look and don't find anything. Several other people in the thread have claimed that. And even here in Seattle it happens. I know what to look for, it's not rocket science. I have posted my own thread asking for information. I have spent time researching what to look for. I have searched miles and miles of area that contained woodchips and wood debris that many would surely say potentially carried actives. I have searched numerous parks, and wherever I have gone, my eyes have constantly been scanning the area. There is hardly a thing I have not done or a a basic knowledge I lack, that most other pickers don't lack also. I think that people should get the right information. And the right information is : you may not find anything. You may not find anything after getting all the information you need to know, and after searching far and wide. That's the truth, and anything else is misleading.
I've known about mushroom picking since I was a young teen. And I never got into it for this very reason. Because it's hard. Real hard. And because people's behaviour really puts people off.
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> When I first started looking I took the advice to make it part of your lifestyle, > because you have to be on the lookout all the time. But I just started getting > so stressed out and felt really sick.
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LOL!!!
Well, if you see it as a chore or your interest is not in finding, but in getting high, then yeah, trying to do it ALL the time is gonna make you all strung out. The impulse comes naturally to me, I have to keep myself from scouting for mushrooms while driving and remember to keep my eyes on the road.
First of all, it's not nice to laugh. Second of all, I have never done actives before. So it's really stressful. When I first started hunting it wasn't so bad. I awaited that "big surprise" in finding something. Now it's just agony. There's a proverb, and it goes like this:
Hope deferred makes the heart sick, But desire fulfilled is a tree of life.
Now until my desire is fulfilled, It makes me feel sick, real sick. I already have anxiety problems as it is. And I keep telling myself to just let it go, it's not wroth the stress, but I got the mushroom bug, and I can't get it out. Once I've actually tried them, and know what it's like, that'll help alot. And once I've actually found them in the wild, then that'll help alot. But until then, I'm just stressed out.
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people who say they are easy to find know what they are doing and have the desire to learn. it's not chance, it's education.
It is chance and education. You need to be in the right place, and you need to know what you are looking for.
You were right in your second statement. It's chance and education. Some areas will have lots, while other areas have none. But the "sure fire" places really go to look (at least around here) are in one of these places:
1. stealing from parks 2. illegally trespassing and stealing from private business property 3. illegally trespassing and stealing from personal private property
I never was willing to do the last two, and I started to do that first long enough to search a big deal, until I realized the laws. It's the forbidden fruit, and I won't bite. It's against the law and it makes me mad and gives people a bad name. This is another one of the reasons why so many people look down on drug users. Because they will steal. Drug users are a bunch of thieves, esp the teenagers. And no one can tell me it's not true, because I have met so many users, and I have walked thew walk, and there is hardly a user that will not steal to support their habit if they have to.
But it's not all education, a lot of it has to do with chance, and experience can help too. I've seen it when I study the id's and pictures in the hunting forum. And when people can go on their lunch break, and go find a bunch of cyans, that has a lot less to do with experience then just plain chance.
Anyways, people who are looking for locations, I just feel like why are you asking. If somebody knows a location, don't you think they would have told their friends before you? Don't you think it would be picked already? I think so.
And even if not, the idea of openly posting locations..large groups of people would flock to that single location, and patches would be destroyed. There's a lot of people who want get high and have no interest in mycology, and they will tear the patches to shreds and they won't share with you either.
Here's what you do. Go down to the store. Buy a huge bag of whatever substrate they naturally grow in. Put it down in your yard or somewhere hidden in the environment. Then get some spores and mix it up, and wait. That's what I'm going to do. Never have to worry about finding locations ever again!
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Re: Why are we not aloud to talk about locations? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
#7538570 - 10/20/07 08:50 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Okay look, I am NOT insulting or criticizing anyone for not finding what they are looking for!!
I said, "This suggests that it is luck/chance and education/practice." You could have all the education and practice, and not find a goddamn thing! Just bad luck!
Secondly, I don't consider picking something that most people will never notice, and most people consider eye sores, to be "stealing". Although, by law this may be the case, I do NOT agree with all laws. I have NEVER been chased off by a business or home owner for picking their mushrooms. They are usually curious and somewhat amused when i talk with them, and I have even been invited for further inspection of their back yard!
It is your own deal if you do not want to pick on public/private/business property, however, that is where Ps. cyanescens likes to grow. So you are sacrificing a lot of good territory. I'll be interested to see if your first find is growing from a private or business property and how you deal with it.... My first find was in a VERY indiscreet spot, and my nerve got to me after the first harvest, so I got dressed up and went to get permission. Worked like a charm!
> Here's what you do. Go down to the store. Buy a huge bag of > whatever substrate they naturally grow in. Put it down in your > yard or somewhere hidden in the environment. Then get some > spores and mix it up, and wait. That's what I'm going to do. > Never have to worry about finding locations ever again!
It is not that simple. I mean, it could work, though I have attempted this expecting nothing to come of it, and that is exactly the result i got.
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