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dr_gonz

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#7523829 - 10/16/07 03:29 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Robo
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Re: OBE [Re: dr_gonz]
#7523848 - 10/16/07 03:35 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Did you take anything or was this naturally induced?
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learningtofly
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Re: OBE [Re: Robo]
#7523886 - 10/16/07 03:41 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I experienced something really really really weird naturally the other day. I was on the computer and all the sudden I was just zoomed in, like even though i am about 2 ft from the computer my vision felt as if I was 1inch from everything. It was for a few seconds but it was really weird.
My friend had the coolest OBE ever at 10KLF. He was on DXM and during Phil Lesh he said that he floated above everyone and watched the show from birds eye view.
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Captain Cubensis
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Sorry to say, but there is no scientific evidence that OBE is real.
Maybe it's a matter of experience and opinion, but in my opinion, it is not real.
Since you use your eyes to see, you cannot have a different visual perspective than what info your eyes translate.
Not trying to be a dick, but I would guess your friend like to tell stories.
If OBE were real, they could be proven in a lab.
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Robo
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Not many things that deal with the human mind can be tested in a laboratory. A lot of the study of psychology, for instance, is mostly founded upon theory and speculation. Just because we cannot scientifically measure the complexity of the human mind,spirit, and psyche does not necessarily mean the out-of-body experience "isn't real". There are many things that cannot be tested or proven in a lab.
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dr_gonz

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Robo
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In addition captain cubensis, to make a statement trying to disprove the out-of-body experience based on lack of scientific evidence is to disprove the psychedelic experience altogether as well (which is what this forum is dedicated to). Neither can be scientifically tested or measured, but can one really deny the experience because of this?
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Captain Cubensis
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Re: OBE [Re: dr_gonz]
#7524002 - 10/16/07 04:03 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well, like I said, our visual perspective is fixed by what our eyes is focusing on.
And since our eyes cannot be removed from our bodies, our vision also cannot be removed from our bodies.
It's not psychology, it's biology.
Unless of course, you believe in a spirit or soul.
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Robo
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Out-of-body experiences are not always defined as one being able to actually "look down on themselves from above", which you appear to be fixed on. And yes, I do believe there is more to it than biology and I also believe in the human spirit as well. Not everything can be explained by science.
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learningtofly
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Re: OBE [Re: Robo]
#7524128 - 10/16/07 04:24 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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When you have CEVs there's actually nothin there but I am definantly seeing shit. It's called tripping, no shit it isn't real.
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TheHauntingSoul
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of course if you had a hallucination where you left your body and float above it and look down that is just the drugs working on your brain and that would definately be considered an OBE
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Captain Cubensis
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Well, tripping is real, in fact it has been, and continues to be measured and studied, first by the CIA in the 50s and 60s (it was the CIA that gave Tim Leary his first dose.
It has to do with serotonin 2a receptors, which cause the synaptic misfires, causing visuals and increased senses.
Tripping on mushies has been shown to create similar brain patterns and chemical processes which are also identified in pre-schizophrenics, and indeed the early stages of schizophrenia are nearly indistinguishable from the peak of a good mushie trip.
I meant no disrespect, sorry to offend, really, I didn't mean it that way.
And yes, I do think of OBE as floating around looking at yourself, specifically the story I was replying to claimed just that, floating around above himself and the crowd at a concert.
I understand voyages to the beyond that occur entirely in your head, much like a dream.
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TheHauntingSoul
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Captain Cubensis said: I meant no disrespect, sorry to offend, really, I didn't mean it that way.
wow gj that is the most polite response i've ever seen in my life. Impossible for that to sound even a little bit sarcastic.
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Robo
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TheHauntingSoul said: wow gj that is the most polite response i've ever seen in my life. Impossible for that to sound even a little bit sarcastic.
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Nobodhi
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Re: OBE [Re: dr_gonz]
#7525430 - 10/16/07 08:54 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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dr_gonz said:
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Captain Cubensis said: Sorry to say, but there is no scientific evidence that OBE is real.
Maybe it's a matter of experience and opinion, but in my opinion, it is not real.
Since you use your eyes to see, you cannot have a different visual perspective than what info your eyes translate.
Not trying to be a dick, but I would guess your friend like to tell stories.
If OBE were real, they could be proven in a lab.
u r fucked
no shit man, these kinds of inexperienced people lack awareness and bark ignorance. fucken dogs.
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Chemical Swirl
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Re: OBE [Re: Nobodhi]
#7525473 - 10/16/07 09:03 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's just his opinion, chill. He's no scientist, and he's definately not god.
I personally believe that OBE are just journeys of the mind. Leaving the body behind, for the mind, much like a dream. Whether they can be rooted in reality somehow i am unsure.
I have once had a hallucination when i started to leave my body starting with my legs and I took a step out, got scared and came back.
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Robo
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...and a journey of the mind can sometimes be so powerful one cannot truly distinguish between what is reality and what isn't.
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Nobodhi
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trust me I am chill, talking shit makes me laugh.
I have had countless OBE's and whenever somebody says something like this -
If OBE were real, they could be proven in a lab.
i shouldn't need to go on..
that is complete ignorance, and that is MY opinion.
what is real? whatever is proven in a lab? give me a break.
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Feanor


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Re: OBE [Re: Nobodhi]
#7525546 - 10/16/07 09:18 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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A shroomery member, EthericOctopuss, is an expert when it comes to the OBE. You should drop him a pm.
Nobodhi knows where it's at.
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If OBE were real, they could be proven in a lab.
Fuck the natural sciences, really. They are completely fallible, being entrenched with preconceived cultural notions and preposterous ideological fanaticism.
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Feanor


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Captain Cubensis said: Sorry to say, but there is no scientific evidence that OBE is real.
Maybe it's a matter of experience and opinion, but in my opinion, it is not real.
Since you use your eyes to see, you cannot have a different visual perspective than what info your eyes translate.
Not trying to be a dick, but I would guess your friend like to tell stories.
If OBE were real, they could be proven in a lab.

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