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Re: religion limits scienctific progress [Re: badchad]
    #7523161 - 10/16/07 01:20 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

So you're telling me MAPS is a US funded organization with the studies conducted by universities?


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Re: religion limits scienctific progress [Re: jewunit]
    #7523204 - 10/16/07 01:30 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

No.

I believe MAPS is a private organization. They usually sponsor studies carried out by Universities.


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Re: religion limits scienctific progress [Re: badchad]
    #7523224 - 10/16/07 01:34 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

My point is there are plenty of private organizations that will carry out research without putting out a product. Universities do it all the time. There's a difference between being funded by the US government and having the US government do the research. If you want to study something to US government won't fund, there are other ways to do it (non-profit organizations.)


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Re: religion limits scienctific progress [Re: jewunit]
    #7523265 - 10/16/07 01:44 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I agree.

But the tremendous costs that are incurred by research usually prevent private organizations from being effective. If you were government funded, a university researcher would receive (literally) millions of dollars to carry out research.

If you look at MAPS they typically will give 50k or so to do research. It's hardly a comparison, but yes, its possible.

As it relates to the thread title, this why government bias (religious or otherwise) can severely hamper research efforts.


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...the whole experience is (and is as) a profound piece of knowledge.  It is an indellible experience; it is forever known.  I have known myself in a way I doubt I would have ever occurred except as it did.

Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436


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Re: religion limits scienctific progress [Re: badchad]
    #7525076 - 10/16/07 07:55 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i believe that research can be carried out for it's own purposes and possibly for a new product. the research of darwin for instance on the galapagos islands, brought forth the evolutionary theory. this was research carried out for the pure pursuit of knowledge which increased our knowledge of the world around us. this research also has practical applications, we can look at the microbial level and see that viruses mutate and become stronger when we are given antibiotics, this hopefully can lead to products to either stop stronger mutations or kill off the virus before it has a chance to mutate. (just an example) but the point im trying to make is research doesnt have to be just for a practical purpose, or for a product, and that sometimes even in not trying to find a product we find something amazing.

the main point however isnt this. it is that orthodox religions which have a huge influence on the political system limit the amount of progress we as a species can make scientifically.


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Re: religion limits scienctific progress [Re: jewunit]
    #7525109 - 10/16/07 08:01 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Just for fun, you guys talking about embryonic stem cells like they're the only type. There are also adult stem cells which can also be used to repair tissue. I thought you might like to know.


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