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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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workings of the universe
    #7522883 - 10/16/07 12:21 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

have you ever thought about the common knowledge of our universe? I guess I might have too much and realized that what we know about it is just the most commonly believed in view. For example before each person created an idea, or a technology which led to an idea, the knowledge on the universe was considered correct, until someone else came and disproved it with a "better idea" or newer technology to see farther/closer.

Heres my theory on it..I think it stemmed from watching a special on einstein really high: "gravity" as its taught in schools is the attraction between objects with mass through some sort of bend in the time/space continuum as explained by einstein right? satellites revolve around planets, which revolve around stars, which revolve around one another to make solar systems, system clusters, and eventually the entire universe as we can know see it.

going backwards it seems kind of odd how objects act exactly the same at molecular levels..particles revolving around one another..

what if this is just continued at an infinite level and things keep getting larger and larger, and on the other end of the spectrum, smaller and smaller...i still havent figured out if at a point they reverse or something..

but my point is we just dont have the technology to see bigger than the "whole universe" or smaller than subatomic particles...just because we cant see it doesnt mean is doesnt exist..

sorry my thoughts are really broken up and its hard to put down into words exactly what i meant..


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Re: workings of the universe [Re: fake estate]
    #7525782 - 10/16/07 10:04 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

makes perfect sense to me

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Re: workings of the universe [Re: ShroomFan]
    #7526851 - 10/17/07 07:50 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

damnit that kind of undermined the whole philosophical integrity of my belief...but otherwise was an awesome representation of it


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Re: workings of the universe [Re: fake estate]
    #7526884 - 10/17/07 08:16 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

at the subatomic level, things do not revolve around other things. electrons do not revolve around the nucleus


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Re: workings of the universe [Re: TheCow]
    #7527084 - 10/17/07 10:07 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

well i dont doubt the public education system..but why do you say that?


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Re: workings of the universe [Re: fake estate]
    #7527463 - 10/17/07 12:05 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

The model of an atom is just that, a model. Its a visual way for us to understand what goes on mathematically.


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Re: workings of the universe [Re: blewmeanie]
    #7527604 - 10/17/07 12:44 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

and our eyes are not strong enough to see into the vast depths of space so we have created models of what we believe is really happening..yet with the right perspective nothing, or everything, is moving

and i think you have that backwards because i believe mathematics are just a way of helping us understand the visual world..


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Re: workings of the universe [Re: fake estate]
    #7527684 - 10/17/07 01:05 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

eh dont worry about it


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Re: workings of the universe [Re: TheCow]
    #7530259 - 10/18/07 06:45 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

What if there is a universe inside all of us? For example when each person looks at a work of art they all see a different thing. Imagine if we all live in seperate, overlapping reality systems. And the only reason they overlap so much is that our brains are all wired in similar ways making us recieve almost the same data, but the way our awarness precieves this data is individual, which creates our own individual reality systems/universe.


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Re: workings of the universe [Re: DimensionX]
    #7531020 - 10/18/07 12:03 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

OP: I agree with you completely, because one of my personal beliefs that size is infinite. That springs from what you said, and also that I can't imagine there being a pure anything, I can't comprehend a substance that wasn't made up of anything smaller.

I myself believe that time is relative to size. For example, the moon is revolving around us incredibly fast, but because it is so large, it appears to be moving slow. What I am getting at is that perhaps our entire universe is something the size of a drop of water to an even larger being. To the being, the drop of water falls and hits the ground within seconds, but to us (who, if the entire universe is a water drop, imagine how miniscule we are) it could take billions upon billions of years.


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Re: workings of the universe [Re: Bernackums]
    #7531126 - 10/18/07 12:41 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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OP: I agree with you completely, because one of my personal beliefs that size is infinite. That springs from what you said, and also that I can't imagine there being a pure anything, I can't comprehend a substance that wasn't made up of anything smaller.

I myself believe that time is relative to size. For example, the moon is revolving around us incredibly fast, but because it is so large, it appears to be moving slow. What I am getting at is that perhaps our entire universe is something the size of a drop of water to an even larger being. To the being, the drop of water falls and hits the ground within seconds, but to us (who, if the entire universe is a water drop, imagine how miniscule we are) it could take billions upon billions of years.




ill agree with that concept...we can even perceive this dilation..farther off things appear smaller and to be moving slower..yet as you move closer and closer they speed up...it is all relative to your position/size


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Re: workings of the universe [Re: DimensionX]
    #7531724 - 10/18/07 03:24 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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What if there is a universe inside all of us? For example when each person looks at a work of art they all see a different thing. Imagine if we all live in seperate, overlapping reality systems. And the only reason they overlap so much is that our brains are all wired in similar ways making us recieve almost the same data, but the way our awarness precieves this data is individual, which creates our own individual reality systems/universe.




yeah i agree mate, we live subjectively and a powerful tool to interact with our perception is our belief systems. what i believe can create my limits. if what you say is right then how can you onjectify something what we are subject too?.also isnt there something were a partical acts diffrently when observed?. i think there is. so that says our acts of observeing changes what we see. maybe the universe is a macrosim, and us just smaller versions of that, a microcosm.


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Re: workings of the universe [Re: peter19]
    #7533983 - 10/19/07 02:50 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah your right, i read a crazy article on quantum physics, it said that every time you obeserve something not only does it change, but you change as well, so basically you are creating parts of each other in some way. One experiment they did was with light, light is a particle (imagine a dotted line) and a wave (imagine a solid wavey line). But this dosent make rational sense, something cant be two things at once. What they found was that they were causing light to behave in one of these two forms depending on what method they used to preform the experiment. So the way they were interacting with light caused it to take a certain form.


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Re: workings of the universe [Re: blewmeanie]
    #7535318 - 10/19/07 12:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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The model of an atom is just that, a model. Its a visual way for us to understand what goes on mathematically.




Exactly. Just because we talk about electrons flying around the nucleus doesn't mean that's really how it is. That's just how we represent it so as to communicate it and apply it to other applications. It's a model.


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Re: workings of the universe [Re: fake estate]
    #7536281 - 10/19/07 04:41 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: workings of the universe [Re: Gomp]
    #7544933 - 10/21/07 10:23 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

everything is just a vibration..

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Re: workings of the universe [Re: Ginseng1]
    #7554721 - 10/24/07 12:13 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Sense it..


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