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I need some sort of answers
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Alright, I am at a point where I feel like I'm going to just snap. I am so close to the edge. I've done Shrooms 4 times the third I got ego loss and I haven't been able to lose grips with it. It changed me forever it feels as a person, including major life change decisions that I wasn't even thinking about before. Changes including lack of respect/trust for western civilization, to a point where I feel it is actually working against me. I just need some answers, I can never stop thinking about these things about what people think of me and just a lot of weird stuff thats driving me insane. I need some sort of answer or something.
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Re: I need some sort of answers [Re: SchmidtyXX]
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Re: I need some sort of answers [Re: DNKYD]
#7521797 - 10/16/07 12:17 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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naw i already disproved that
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Re: I need some sort of answers [Re: SchmidtyXX]
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it sounds like you're going through a dark night of the soul (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Night_of_the_Soul)... a lot of people on this board have been through this - think of it as like an initiation. i don't know what to tell you, i promise you will find some kind of answers though. peace be with you brother, it will be hard at parts but i know you'll make it.
  
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Re: I need some sort of answers [Re: SchmidtyXX]
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funny, EternalCowabunga and I were just talking about the same thing.
I have had a psychotic snap, for months I thought I was losing my mind. This was due to my excessive meditation and psychedelic use. but that experience WAS an initiation, so many new things are opening up I feel like a seed becoming a flower (not to brag).
get into meditation, transcend the fear. don't let the mind take hold and control your being. tame the mind, know that this too will pass.
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Re: I need some sort of answers [Re: DNKYD]
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Re: I need some sort of answers [Re: MushroomTrip]
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Re: I need some sort of answers [Re: ZShroom]
#7521980 - 10/16/07 02:07 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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take grandmaster flash's advice
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Re: I need some sort of answers [Re: SchmidtyXX]
#7522419 - 10/16/07 09:38 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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SchmidtyXX said: Alright, I am at a point where I feel like I'm going to just snap. I am so close to the edge. I've done Shrooms 4 times the third I got ego loss and I haven't been able to lose grips with it. It changed me forever it feels as a person, including major life change decisions that I wasn't even thinking about before. Changes including lack of respect/trust for western civilization, to a point where I feel it is actually working against me. I just need some answers, I can never stop thinking about these things about what people think of me and just a lot of weird stuff thats driving me insane. I need some sort of answer or something.
As Don Juan said,"you are starting to learn". What you learn will never be what you imagined or hoped for. Those were egoic, self-absorbed pipe dreams. Real knowledge is much more terrifying and awesome. If you choose to hang with it then get ready for the ride of your life. Your confusion should only compound for many years. So don't expect quick relief, but new patterns may slowly emerge.
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Re: I need some sort of answers [Re: Icelander]
#7523139 - 10/16/07 01:16 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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i agree with advicelander..
"answers" just lead to new questions. if you decide to continue you will find some answers, but will have many more questions. have fun
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Re: I need some sort of answers [Re: Clean]
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Re: I need some sort of answers [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7523313 - 10/16/07 01:55 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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But, for the time being, smoke more weed. Calm down. Getting annoyed with western culture? Find a Tai Chi class. Or a Yoga class (A good one). Read the Tao de Jing or the Bhagvad Gita. The western world is working against all of us, but that can be comforting because it means 1. it's not just working against you 2. you have a large support group of anticapitalist revolutionaries who love you and will let you sleep on their couch in their trailer in the deep woods when the men in jackboots come to take you.
I've never had a psychodelic experience that didn't leave a different person behind when it passed. If someone has, they're either lying or didn't take enough.
By taking these chemicals, you're kind of implicitly agreeing to go along for the ride. You're surrendering yourself to yourself. After all, they can't bring you anything besides you.
Some of the "damage" is already done. You've probably got a lot of new ideas that might conflict with the old ones. That's scary as fuck, and we all know it. Feels like you lack a foundation to stand on, or operate from.
Just stay calm. Contemplate. Operate like you did before, even if that dosen't make sense in the new context of the universe you've discovered.
A trip comes all at once. The changes for the better that it can bring about come for months, years, decades afterwards. Just stay calm. If meditation works for you, do that. Maybe try some free association writing and see what comes out of it.
Just stay calm, be cool. We're all in this together. People care about you. You're taking the first steps towards an amazing life.
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Re: I need some sort of answers [Re: crumblebum]
#7525793 - 10/16/07 10:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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thank you everyone especially for the very helpful answers, It sounds like some of you know exactly what your talking about. I have begun going to the Zen Buddhist temple every sunday from 5 am - 7 am. I hope it helps my mind and soul. I will deffinitely look at this as an experience of personal growth and learning. Thank you for the advice, It actually makes a lot of sense.
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Re: I need some sort of answers [Re: SchmidtyXX]
#7525844 - 10/16/07 10:21 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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this happened to me too, again i feel like i have no stability, and not enough ways to communicate my ideas to others who have the same
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Re: I need some sort of answers [Re: SchmidtyXX]
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Civilization is working against you, it works against all of us. You aren't crazy for feeling this way! I like what Derrick Jensen has to say about despair, anger and other seemingly 'negative' emotions - he says that it is normal and natural to feel this way in a world that is so horrific, that feeling this way shows that we are becoming aware of what is around us. Don't run from this, work through it. Trust yourself. Find a place of groundedness, if that is the zen thing in the mornings than great. We all have our own ways to feel grounded. For me it's often a hot bath, breathing and reminding myself that if I want to be calm I am capable of finding that place in me. Sometimes it's yoga, or a noise show, or gregorian chant. Sometimes it's snuggling or talking. Just focus inwardly, pay attention to what your body and subconscious are calling out for. Feed them.
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Re: I need some sort of answers [Re: NiamhNyx]
#7526050 - 10/16/07 11:17 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: I need some sort of answers [Re: Nobodhi]
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I can agree that this is a sign that you are reaching a point where you are beginning to learn beyond the "average Joe's" train of thought; the normal life path the media sends you on since you took form in 3D.
So it's related to most of us as the initiation or icebreaker of further knowledge behind the curtain of propaganda.
I had a similar reaction. I didn't want to do anything, everything seemed so insignificant, even my own existence. I even came here as you did to find answers and made this topic.
What I suggest is to keep moving forward on your own path to enlightenment.
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Re: I need some sort of answers [Re: Militantmind]
#7526231 - 10/17/07 12:16 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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that is a very lucid explanation of the experience. it is an initiation, the realizations that occur during the meltdown of the ego (or silence of the ego) separates one from the image of the past(future) self and the higher self starts taking control. this higher awareness is not too compatible with those who still have not broken out of the cocoon of lower dimensional confines.
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Re: I need some sort of answers [Re: SchmidtyXX]
#7526514 - 10/17/07 02:15 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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There are no answers, only choices.
Though it helps to study...
Gurdjieff, Ouspensky, Crowley, Blavatsky, Watts, Leary, Bob Wilson, Ram Dass, McKenna, E. J. Gold, Adyashanti, Rob Brezney etc. are all excellent guides.
Read, read, read, read and read...
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Re: I need some sort of answers [Re: onlynow]
#7526845 - 10/17/07 07:44 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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onlynow said: funny, EternalCowabunga and I were just talking about the same thing.
I have had a psychotic snap, for months I thought I was losing my mind. This was due to my excessive meditation and psychedelic use. but that experience WAS an initiation, so many new things are opening up I feel like a seed becoming a flower (not to brag).
get into meditation, transcend the fear. don't let the mind take hold and control your being. tame the mind, know that this too will pass.
i have been going through this too..my pain is coming out in the form of depression as i begin to melt the social concepts around myself...
learning to understand that nothing makes sense can hurt..theyve tried hard to control and shape you since the day you were born..forcing you to shit in ceramic bowls and wear clothes..were just fucking animals that can think shit through way too much..enjoy that aspect and dont let anyone control you
ill be right with you going through the pain..but im starting to enjoy it
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Re: I need some sort of answers [Re: fake estate]
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Sounds like you got a psychedelic kick in the balls. You have woken up to the truth. Now it's time to realise that, seize upon it, and enjoy yourself.
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Sometimes i wish i could go back to being a wage slave and had never learned the truth about life. But it's too late now. So just use what you know and strive to learn more. Knowledge is Power.
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ts727 said: Sometimes i wish i could go back to being a wage slave and had never learned the truth about life. But it's too late now. So just use what you know and strive to learn more. Knowledge is Power.
haha I think thats just your human instinct to fit into a group..theyve successfully molded into what they want...yet those of us daring enough to break the law and take psychedelics find it easier to see what is actually going on here...
i have been feeling super depressed..going to a private college, forced to associate myself with egomaniacs and rich brats who literally only care about what brand of this or that they have...anyways i just recently stumbled upon this site and have felt a huge pressure lift off my chest. i finally feel like i have some people to talk to who have any fucking idea what im talking about
my friends would try to ask me whats wrong with me and why i was sad..but none of them could really understand..so thank you all
hopefully i can help others in my place in the future
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Re: I need some sort of answers [Re: Middleman]
#7527346 - 10/17/07 11:35 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Gurdjieff, Ouspensky, Crowley, Blavatsky, Watts, Leary, Bob Wilson, Ram Dass, McKenna, E. J. Gold, Adyashanti, Rob Brezney etc. are all excellent guides.
Personally, I think this is a friggin terrible list of new age schlock. No offense to you middleman, it's just really cheesy material. I'd recommend R.D. Laing (The Politics of Experience), Derrick Jensen (A Language Older than Words), Karl Jung, and any existentialist - try Sartre, Heidegger, etc. The existentialists are the harder reads on the list but you can get a lot out of books written about them in simpler language.
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Re: I need some sort of answers [Re: fake estate]
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fake estate said:
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ts727 said: Sometimes i wish i could go back to being a wage slave and had never learned the truth about life. But it's too late now. So just use what you know and strive to learn more. Knowledge is Power.
haha I think thats just your human instinct to fit into a group..theyve successfully molded into what they want...yet those of us daring enough to break the law and take psychedelics find it easier to see what is actually going on here...
i have been feeling super depressed..going to a private college, forced to associate myself with egomaniacs and rich brats who literally only care about what brand of this or that they have...anyways i just recently stumbled upon this site and have felt a huge pressure lift off my chest. i finally feel like i have some people to talk to who have any fucking idea what im talking about
my friends would try to ask me whats wrong with me and why i was sad..but none of them could really understand..so thank you all
hopefully i can help others in my place in the future
To fit in with the rest of the morons would make life a little easier. But i know that ultimately i'll achieve a happiness that many people will never know. Plus ive got a pretty large penis and that keeps me happy.
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To fit in with the rest of the morons would make life a little easier. But i know that ultimately i'll achieve a happiness that many people will never know. Plus ive got a pretty large penis and that keeps me happy.
I laughed so hard there... XD
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Re: I need some sort of answers [Re: NiamhNyx]
#7527856 - 10/17/07 01:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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NiamhNyx said: Civilization is working against you, it works against all of us. You aren't crazy for feeling this way! I like what Derrick Jensen has to say about despair, anger and other seemingly 'negative' emotions - he says that it is normal and natural to feel this way in a world that is so horrific, that feeling this way shows that we are becoming aware of what is around us. Don't run from this, work through it. Trust yourself. Find a place of groundedness, if that is the zen thing in the mornings than great. We all have our own ways to feel grounded. For me it's often a hot bath, breathing and reminding myself that if I want to be calm I am capable of finding that place in me. Sometimes it's yoga, or a noise show, or gregorian chant. Sometimes it's snuggling or talking. Just focus inwardly, pay attention to what your body and subconscious are calling out for. Feed them.
A most excellent post my friend.
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Re: I need some sort of answers [Re: NiamhNyx]
#7527867 - 10/17/07 01:49 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Middleman said:
Gurdjieff, Ouspensky, Crowley, Blavatsky, Watts, Leary, Bob Wilson, Ram Dass, McKenna, E. J. Gold, Adyashanti, Rob Brezney etc. are all excellent guides.
Personally, I think this is a friggin terrible list of new age schlock. No offense to you middleman, it's just really cheesy material. I'd recommend R.D. Laing (The Politics of Experience), Derrick Jensen (A Language Older than Words), Karl Jung, and any existentialist - try Sartre, Heidegger, etc. The existentialists are the harder reads on the list but you can get a lot out of books written about them in simpler language.
I think your blanket writing off of these folk is more than slightly ignorant.
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Re: I need some sort of answers [Re: Icelander]
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Perhaps there is more substance to some of those on the list than I have given credit for. I mostly think that Blavatsky, Crowley and McKenna are the most silly. Maybe some of the others are alright. I still stand by my list of recommendations, they are excellent writers and thinkers.
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Re: I need some sort of answers [Re: NiamhNyx]
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People like Wilson, Mckenna, Watts, Leary, Alpert etc were all heavily inspired and or influenced by those you mention, and others such as Korzybski and Julian Jaynes. Check them out if you're curious... they have a lot to say and are willing to say it in ways that people with fancy pieces of paper and "distinguished reputations" aren't.
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Re: I need some sort of answers [Re: NiamhNyx]
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NiamhNyx said: Perhaps there is more substance to some of those on the list than I have given credit for. I mostly think that Blavatsky, Crowley and McKenna are the most silly. Maybe some of the others are alright. I still stand by my list of recommendations, they are excellent writers and thinkers.
While Crowley and Mckenna were no where near perfect. I have read much of what they wrote and found much wisdom there. I'm not that familiar with Blavatsky. Maybe you should read them when you're real stoned.
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Re: I need some sort of answers [Re: Clean]
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Leary had a fancy piece of paper. Having a degree doesn't prevent a person from saying really radical things and shaking things up- R.D. Laing is a pretty excellent example. And if by Wilson, you mean Robert Anton Wilson, I already love the guy.
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Re: I need some sort of answers [Re: NiamhNyx]
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I don't think Leary was very impressed by his "fancy piece of paper". He is one of my favorite modern thinkers and radicals. He has had a strong influence on me. I personally think he was brilliant, eccentric, and fallible.
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Re: I need some sort of answers [Re: Icelander]
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Fair enough. I have already conceded that I was too quick to write off the entire list.
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Re: I need some sort of answers [Re: NiamhNyx]
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It doesn't prevent them from saying such things... but saying such things will likely prevent them from receiving funds for research and deny them the pretense of a "legitimate" forum in the form of the Establishment so craved by society. Leary was shunned by the Harvard crowd once he decided to talk about his ideas and pursue LSD research.
But what does it matter what they think / say... They're afraid of change that clearly undermines their precious ideas. as bob dobbs says, fuck 'em if they can't take a joke.
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Re: I need some sort of answers [Re: Clean]
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My parents are trying to get me to go see a therapist, and or psychiatrist. I really don't want to be stuck on meds, maybe a therapist would help it would allow me to talk about my feelings and state of mind . The one reason I might consider that is I don't know why but some days for instance when I'm out with friends people I've known since high school, I feel really disconeccted, no body will talk to me, or at least recognize me that they might say oh hey simon, it feels like no body ackknowledges me. Accept for one friend my smoking buddy who I am still in school with. When I get like this it can last for a couple days and I get intense feelings to commit suicide like I don't belong anywhere that I don't fit in. Then on somedays like right now I feel excited to learn abotu life, to explore it and see where it takes me. I just am tired of feeling this way the best way I can describe it is Bi-Polar, but that is something hard to I guess Diagnose when people's moods change all the time. But for me I only operate in emotional extremes, It is never just average either I feel very excited, or just very depressed.
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Re: I need some sort of answers [Re: SchmidtyXX]
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A therapist might not be a bad idea, if you find the right one. Even more so I really really recommend reading R.D Laing's the Politics of Experience!!!!
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Re: I need some sort of answers [Re: SchmidtyXX]
#7528503 - 10/17/07 04:47 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't know about the therapist because you might either get lucky and find a very cool therapist, or you could find someone who will prescribe you drugs and then, in my opinion, it will only make things more confusing for you. Because drugs never show you your problems and what needs to be done to resolve them, it only makes you feel like you don;t have them anymore. This means that from the moment you'll stop taking them you'll fell like this (or even worse) again, and in the time it will leave you with mo alternative or possibility for personal growth, being able to find your own path and happiness.
I would suggest that you consider this situation since your parents are the ones who will find you a therapist so they will decide instead of you. And if you're unlucky and find a therapist which will prescribe you drugs, then it will be much harder for you to change the situation.
Ask yourself why you feel that it's so important to you feel "acknowledged". What's in there? It could be perhaps because you need some confirmations, and this comes from the insecurities that you have. In this case, it is those insecurities that you need to deal with, not finding more people to make you forget about your fears.
Finding out who you are and what you want takes time and lots of patience and it's not easy. But this is what it all comes down to. Bi polar disorder doesn't happen out of the blue so it can't just go away. You need to find out what's causing it and nobody can know this better than yourself.
From my own experience, spending time with yourself and getting to know who you are is what really helps plus you get the satisfaction that you are the one who makes your life better, not someone/something else.
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Re: I need some sort of answers [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7529348 - 10/17/07 09:29 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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You should see these guys.
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Re: I need some sort of answers [Re: SchmidtyXX]
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man, you just have to accept that there's nothing to be afraid.
Once you accept what's 'going on' and move with it, you'll have a whole new understanding of life.
Speaking of Alan Watts...
“The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance.” - Alan Watts
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Re: I need some sort of answers [Re: SchmidtyXX]
#7529732 - 10/18/07 12:17 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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SchmidtyXX said: My parents are trying to get me to go see a therapist, and or psychiatrist. I really don't want to be stuck on meds, maybe a therapist would help it would allow me to talk about my feelings and state of mind . The one reason I might consider that is I don't know why but some days for instance when I'm out with friends people I've known since high school, I feel really disconeccted, no body will talk to me, or at least recognize me that they might say oh hey simon, it feels like no body ackknowledges me. Accept for one friend my smoking buddy who I am still in school with. When I get like this it can last for a couple days and I get intense feelings to commit suicide like I don't belong anywhere that I don't fit in. Then on somedays like right now I feel excited to learn abotu life, to explore it and see where it takes me. I just am tired of feeling this way the best way I can describe it is Bi-Polar, but that is something hard to I guess Diagnose when people's moods change all the time. But for me I only operate in emotional extremes, It is never just average either I feel very excited, or just very depressed.
The roller coaster of emotion you speak of is caused by all of the false beliefs you've swallowed, and contrary to some opinions, it takes a LOT of work to fix things. You are not alone and this does not make you special. MOST people are either in the same boat you are in, or they haven't even made it to the boat yet. If you accept a belief of bi-polar, or the need of drugs, you become different from others in your mind. How is this helpful? It will only stoke the fire of fear, or will make you complacent.
Much better to believe that what you are going through is normal. When you realise you're in the same boat as everyone else, it won't seem so bad. In this way, you can begin to ask, what can -I- do about it.
Go to the book store and start combing through the self-help section. The only helpless people are those who believe they can't help themselves. The only happy people are those who did. Just the very idea that you can be your own master will light a spark inside of you. Start fighting and don't stop.
Being a fighter doesn't mean jumping in the ring and slugging it out with every ounce of energy you have. It means being patient, having some self compassion, opening your eyes to the plight of others, valuing the small joys in life, and having faith in yourself.
Consider researching chakra meditation. Helpful thought patterns are just overlays for emotional states. Chakras will take you to the source. Much to be found in chakra meditation.
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Re: I need some sort of answers [Re: Cracka_X]
#7529761 - 10/18/07 12:38 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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i love alan watts
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Re: I need some sort of answers [Re: Rahz]
#7531431 - 10/18/07 02:22 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Rahz said:
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SchmidtyXX said: My parents are trying to get me to go see a therapist, and or psychiatrist. I really don't want to be stuck on meds, maybe a therapist would help it would allow me to talk about my feelings and state of mind . The one reason I might consider that is I don't know why but some days for instance when I'm out with friends people I've known since high school, I feel really disconeccted, no body will talk to me, or at least recognize me that they might say oh hey simon, it feels like no body ackknowledges me. Accept for one friend my smoking buddy who I am still in school with. When I get like this it can last for a couple days and I get intense feelings to commit suicide like I don't belong anywhere that I don't fit in. Then on somedays like right now I feel excited to learn abotu life, to explore it and see where it takes me. I just am tired of feeling this way the best way I can describe it is Bi-Polar, but that is something hard to I guess Diagnose when people's moods change all the time. But for me I only operate in emotional extremes, It is never just average either I feel very excited, or just very depressed.
The roller coaster of emotion you speak of is caused by all of the false beliefs you've swallowed, and contrary to some opinions, it takes a LOT of work to fix things. You are not alone and this does not make you special. MOST people are either in the same boat you are in, or they haven't even made it to the boat yet. If you accept a belief of bi-polar, or the need of drugs, you become different from others in your mind. How is this helpful? It will only stoke the fire of fear, or will make you complacent.
Much better to believe that what you are going through is normal. When you realise you're in the same boat as everyone else, it won't seem so bad. In this way, you can begin to ask, what can -I- do about it.
Go to the book store and start combing through the self-help section. The only helpless people are those who believe they can't help themselves. The only happy people are those who did. Just the very idea that you can be your own master will light a spark inside of you. Start fighting and don't stop.
Being a fighter doesn't mean jumping in the ring and slugging it out with every ounce of energy you have. It means being patient, having some self compassion, opening your eyes to the plight of others, valuing the small joys in life, and having faith in yourself.
Consider researching chakra meditation. Helpful thought patterns are just overlays for emotional states. Chakras will take you to the source. Much to be found in chakra meditation.
Dude, That is such perfect advice. No therapist could do better IMO.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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