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Re: I need some sort of answers [Re: fake estate]
    #7526965 - 10/17/07 09:04 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Sounds like you got a psychedelic kick in the balls. You have woken up to the truth. Now it's time to realise that, seize upon it, and enjoy yourself.


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Re: I need some sort of answers [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #7527056 - 10/17/07 09:53 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Sometimes i wish i could go back to being a wage slave and had never learned the truth about life. But it's too late now. So just use what you know and strive to learn more. Knowledge is Power.


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Man is timid and apologetic; he is no longer upright; he dares not say "I think," "I am," but quotes some saint or sage. He is ashamed before the blade of grass or the blowing rose.Man postpones or remembers; he does not live in the present, but with reverted eye laments the past, or, heedless of the riches that surround him, stands on tiptoe to foresee the future. He cannot be happy and strong until he too lives with nature in the present, above time
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Re: I need some sort of answers [Re: Jack Albertson]
    #7527198 - 10/17/07 10:46 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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ts727 said:
Sometimes i wish i could go back to being a wage slave and had never learned the truth about life. But it's too late now. So just use what you know and strive to learn more. Knowledge is Power.




haha I think thats just your human instinct to fit into a group..theyve successfully molded into what they want...yet those of us daring enough to break the law and take psychedelics find it easier to see what is actually going on here...

i have been feeling super depressed..going to a private college, forced to associate myself with egomaniacs and rich brats who literally only care about what brand of this or that they have...anyways i just recently stumbled upon this site and have felt a huge pressure lift off my chest. i finally feel like i have some people to talk to who have any fucking idea what im talking about

my friends would try to ask me whats wrong with me and why i was sad..but none of them could really understand..so thank you all

hopefully i can help others in my place in the future


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Re: I need some sort of answers [Re: Middleman]
    #7527346 - 10/17/07 11:35 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Gurdjieff, Ouspensky, Crowley, Blavatsky, Watts, Leary, Bob Wilson, Ram Dass, McKenna, E. J. Gold, Adyashanti, Rob Brezney etc. are all excellent guides.






Personally, I think this is a friggin terrible list of new age schlock. No offense to you middleman, it's just really cheesy material. I'd recommend R.D. Laing (The Politics of Experience), Derrick Jensen (A Language Older than Words), Karl Jung, and any existentialist - try Sartre, Heidegger, etc. The existentialists are the harder reads on the list but you can get a lot out of books written about them in simpler language.


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Re: I need some sort of answers [Re: fake estate]
    #7527433 - 10/17/07 11:59 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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ts727 said:
Sometimes i wish i could go back to being a wage slave and had never learned the truth about life. But it's too late now. So just use what you know and strive to learn more. Knowledge is Power.




haha I think thats just your human instinct to fit into a group..theyve successfully molded into what they want...yet those of us daring enough to break the law and take psychedelics find it easier to see what is actually going on here...

i have been feeling super depressed..going to a private college, forced to associate myself with egomaniacs and rich brats who literally only care about what brand of this or that they have...anyways i just recently stumbled upon this site and have felt a huge pressure lift off my chest. i finally feel like i have some people to talk to who have any fucking idea what im talking about

my friends would try to ask me whats wrong with me and why i was sad..but none of them could really understand..so thank you all

hopefully i can help others in my place in the future



To fit in with the rest of the morons would make life a little easier. But i know that ultimately i'll achieve a happiness that many people will never know. Plus ive got a pretty large penis and that keeps me happy.


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Man is timid and apologetic; he is no longer upright; he dares not say "I think," "I am," but quotes some saint or sage. He is ashamed before the blade of grass or the blowing rose.Man postpones or remembers; he does not live in the present, but with reverted eye laments the past, or, heedless of the riches that surround him, stands on tiptoe to foresee the future. He cannot be happy and strong until he too lives with nature in the present, above time
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Re: I need some sort of answers [Re: Jack Albertson]
    #7527741 - 10/17/07 01:18 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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To fit in with the rest of the morons would make life a little easier. But i know that ultimately i'll achieve a happiness that many people will never know. Plus ive got a pretty large penis and that keeps me happy.




I laughed so hard there... XD


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Re: I need some sort of answers [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7527856 - 10/17/07 01:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Civilization is working against you, it works against all of us. You aren't crazy for feeling this way! I like what Derrick Jensen has to say about despair, anger and other seemingly 'negative' emotions - he says that it is normal and natural to feel this way in a world that is so horrific, that feeling this way shows that we are becoming aware of what is around us. Don't run from this, work through it. Trust yourself. Find a place of groundedness, if that is the zen thing in the mornings than great. We all have our own ways to feel grounded. For me it's often a hot bath, breathing and reminding myself that if I want to be calm I am capable of finding that place in me. Sometimes it's yoga, or a noise show, or gregorian chant. Sometimes it's snuggling or talking. Just focus inwardly, pay attention to what your body and subconscious are calling out for. Feed them.




A most excellent post my friend.:thumbup:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: I need some sort of answers [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7527867 - 10/17/07 01:49 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Middleman said:


Gurdjieff, Ouspensky, Crowley, Blavatsky, Watts, Leary, Bob Wilson, Ram Dass, McKenna, E. J. Gold, Adyashanti, Rob Brezney etc. are all excellent guides.






Personally, I think this is a friggin terrible list of new age schlock. No offense to you middleman, it's just really cheesy material. I'd recommend R.D. Laing (The Politics of Experience), Derrick Jensen (A Language Older than Words), Karl Jung, and any existentialist - try Sartre, Heidegger, etc. The existentialists are the harder reads on the list but you can get a lot out of books written about them in simpler language.




I think your blanket writing off of these folk is more than slightly ignorant.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: I need some sort of answers [Re: Icelander]
    #7528034 - 10/17/07 02:40 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Perhaps there is more substance to some of those on the list than I have given credit for. I mostly think that Blavatsky, Crowley and McKenna are the most silly. Maybe some of the others are alright. :shrug: I still stand by my list of recommendations, they are excellent writers and thinkers.


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Re: I need some sort of answers [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7528063 - 10/17/07 02:48 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

People like Wilson, Mckenna, Watts, Leary, Alpert etc were all heavily inspired and or influenced by those you mention, and others such as Korzybski and Julian Jaynes. Check them out if you're curious... they have a lot to say and are willing to say it in ways that people with fancy pieces of paper and "distinguished reputations" aren't.


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Re: I need some sort of answers [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7528109 - 10/17/07 03:01 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Perhaps there is more substance to some of those on the list than I have given credit for. I mostly think that Blavatsky, Crowley and McKenna are the most silly. Maybe some of the others are alright. :shrug: I still stand by my list of recommendations, they are excellent writers and thinkers.




While Crowley and Mckenna were no where near perfect. I have read much of what they wrote and found much wisdom there. I'm not that familiar with Blavatsky. Maybe you should read them when you're real stoned.:lol:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: I need some sort of answers [Re: Clean]
    #7528112 - 10/17/07 03:01 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Leary had a fancy piece of paper. Having a degree doesn't prevent a person from saying really radical things and shaking things up- R.D. Laing is a pretty excellent example. And if by Wilson, you mean Robert Anton Wilson, I already love the guy.


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Re: I need some sort of answers [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7528122 - 10/17/07 03:04 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I don't think Leary was very impressed by his "fancy piece of paper". He is one of my favorite modern thinkers and radicals. He has had a strong influence on me. I personally think he was brilliant, eccentric, and fallible.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: I need some sort of answers [Re: Icelander]
    #7528144 - 10/17/07 03:11 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Fair enough. I have already conceded that I was too quick to write off the entire list.


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Re: I need some sort of answers [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7528180 - 10/17/07 03:21 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

It doesn't prevent them from saying such things... but saying such things will likely prevent them from receiving funds for research and deny them the pretense of a "legitimate" forum in the form of the Establishment so craved by society. Leary was shunned by the Harvard crowd once he decided to talk about his ideas and pursue LSD research.

But what does it matter what they think / say... They're afraid of change that clearly undermines their precious ideas. as bob dobbs says, fuck 'em if they can't take a joke.


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Re: I need some sort of answers [Re: Clean]
    #7528463 - 10/17/07 04:32 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

My parents are trying to get me to go see a therapist, and or psychiatrist. I really don't want to be stuck on meds, maybe a therapist would help it would allow me to talk about my feelings and state of mind . The one reason I might consider that is I don't know why but some days for instance when I'm out with friends people I've known since high school, I feel really disconeccted, no body will talk to me, or at least recognize me that they might say oh hey simon, it feels like no body ackknowledges me. Accept for one friend my smoking buddy who I am still in school with. When I get like this it can last for a couple days and I get intense feelings to commit suicide like I don't belong anywhere that I don't fit in. Then on somedays like right now I feel excited to learn abotu life, to explore it and see where it takes me. I just am tired of feeling this way the best way I can describe it is Bi-Polar, but that is something hard to I guess Diagnose when people's moods change all the time. But for me I only operate in emotional extremes, It is never just average either I feel very excited, or just very depressed.


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Re: I need some sort of answers [Re: SchmidtyXX]
    #7528496 - 10/17/07 04:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

A therapist might not be a bad idea, if you find the right one. Even more so I really really recommend reading R.D Laing's the Politics of Experience!!!!


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Re: I need some sort of answers [Re: SchmidtyXX]
    #7528503 - 10/17/07 04:47 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I don't know about the therapist because you might either get lucky and find a very cool therapist, or you could find someone who will prescribe you drugs and then, in my opinion, it will only make things more confusing for you. Because drugs never show you your problems and what needs to be done to resolve them, it only makes you feel like you don;t have them anymore. This means that from the moment you'll stop taking them you'll fell like this (or even worse) again, and in the time it will leave you with mo alternative or possibility for personal growth, being able to find your own path and happiness.

I would suggest that you consider this situation since your parents are the ones who will find you a therapist so they will decide instead of you. And if you're unlucky and find a therapist which will prescribe you drugs, then it will be much harder for you to change the situation.

Ask yourself why you feel that it's so important to you feel "acknowledged". What's in there? It could be perhaps because you need some confirmations, and this comes from the insecurities that you have. In this case, it is those insecurities that you need to deal with, not finding more people to make you forget about your fears.

Finding out who you are and what you want takes time and lots of patience and it's not easy. But this is what it all comes down to. Bi polar disorder doesn't happen out of the blue so it can't just go away. You need to find out what's causing it and nobody can know this better than yourself.

From my own experience, spending time with yourself and getting to know who you are is what really helps plus you get the satisfaction that you are the one who makes your life better, not someone/something else.


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Re: I need some sort of answers [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7529348 - 10/17/07 09:29 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

You should see these guys.


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Re: I need some sort of answers [Re: SchmidtyXX]
    #7529425 - 10/17/07 10:02 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

man, you just have to accept that there's nothing to be afraid.

Once you accept what's 'going on' and move with it, you'll have a whole new understanding of life.

Speaking of Alan Watts...

“The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance.”
- Alan Watts


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For water benefits all things
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