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    #7521028 - 10/15/07 09:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Hello all.
I was walking by a store a day or so ago and I found these mushrooms. They've been growing for a few weeks now off and on but this was the biggest amount I saw.
Anyway I picked a bunch that looked the same and I'm sure they're liberty caps. I asked a friend who knows mushrooms and is into survival and such, and he says they're liberty caps, but I thought I could get a few more suggestions before I eat them.
Does anyone know if these are liberty caps for SURE?
OH and I haven't gotten a spore print yet, I'm working on it.
And they were in a sort of grassy area by some trees.
All except one were brown with brown and white on the stem and such. They all had white or light brown around the rim of the cap and dark brown on top. The first one is they only one that didn't cause it was purple, I'm sure its the same kind of mushroom though. I wasn't able to get a spore print from it, but all of it was very purple...
But yeah.... Need more info let me know.
Thanks!





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Re: Oregon ID Request [Re: Vhan]
    #7521110 - 10/15/07 09:28 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Not a very good ID request. nobody can answer your questions, except to say that those are not liberty caps.
Better pictures of up close shots would be a big help too.
but yeah they do look like a psilocybe of some sort. awsome find if they are. but dont eat them until you are sure from someone here telling you so.


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Re: Oregon ID Request [Re: Vhan]
    #7521111 - 10/15/07 09:28 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

they look like a Psilocybe though this is most assuredly not conclusive. they are not P. semilanceata.

you will actualy have to confirm the spore color certainty, not speculation.

if you find more when they are fresh and immature, having never begun to dry out, like new pins, check the texture of the caps, describe it in detail. try to peel the outer surface from the cap. can it be peeled free? what is it's texture like?

you describe no bruising color, can you see any? if so; describe.


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Re: Oregon ID Request [Re: canid]
    #7521138 - 10/15/07 09:34 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Okay I'll go and pick up some more tomorrow so they're fresh and I'll get that to you all. Thanks for the help so far though!


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Re: Oregon ID Request [Re: canid]
    #7521140 - 10/15/07 09:34 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i thought they were pan subbs after looking at the pics, but before reading your post


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Re: Oregon ID Request [Re: Vhan]
    #7521753 - 10/15/07 11:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

They look like subbs to me. Take a spore print... I bet it is jet black!


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Re: Oregon ID Request [Re: fliped]
    #7521889 - 10/16/07 12:59 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I doubt those are Psilocybe. From the picture (which aren't that great) I'd suggest a possible Pan. spp.


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Re: Oregon ID Request [Re: jet li]
    #7522006 - 10/16/07 02:23 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i think you got some foes in there too. make sure you spore print every one of em. report any bluing. of the bases or stems


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Re: Oregon ID Request [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #7522241 - 10/16/07 07:43 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I'm going to pick a new set if anything and throw this one out. My pictures are limited to what my camera phone can handle, I seriously have no other way to get a picture of them so I'm sorry for the quality.
I had a spore print going since last night and so far its brown (just checked).
But like I said, I'll get more so I can show you all when they're very fresh and I'll get a few more spore prints for you all.
Thanks so much for the help so far!

And what is Pan and Subs?


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Re: Oregon ID Request [Re: Vhan]
    #7522255 - 10/16/07 07:53 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

pics too small and blurry, but i think they look far more like Inocybe geophylla than ANY particular edible or active mushroom.
as for purple specimines.. see Inocybe geophylla var. lilacina

crush them and smell them, do they smell like sperm?


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Re: Oregon ID Request [Re: Mitchnast]
    #7522655 - 10/16/07 11:06 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

if the spore prints are brown throw em away. they are foenisecci. a non active look alike. or some inocybe if you see purple...


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Re: Oregon ID Request [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #7522782 - 10/16/07 11:52 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

those are not libs, your dude whos into "survival foods" is gonna end up not very surviving. either that or hes gonna hurt someone with his confidence. his "guess" was way off.

those arent subbs either.

they look like they could be many of the inactive things mentioned, mostly inocybe.

please read the rules for this hunting forum, theres tips for giving us info, we need certain info to make a proper ID, just a pic and what it was growing on isnt going to help much, since that mushroom isnt one that is commonly brought in for ID.

and please tell your friend not to give out anymore advice regarding something that could possibly kill someone, he has no idea what hes talking about and theres more varieties of mushrooms in the world than someone with limited experience could ever understand.


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Re: Oregon ID Request [Re: Vhan]
    #7523523 - 10/16/07 02:38 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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And what is Pan and Subs?




Pan is short for Panaeolus, a genus of mushrooms. Sub is short for subbalteatus, a common species of Panaeolus that is also active.


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Re: Oregon ID Request [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #7523535 - 10/16/07 02:41 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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if the spore prints are brown throw em away. they are foenisecci. a non active look alike. or some inocybe if you see purple...




umm, you cant just call everything thats a look-alike "foenisecci"

these certainly AREN'T "foenisecci" or anything like them.


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Re: Oregon ID Request [Re: Vhan]
    #7523609 - 10/16/07 02:52 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm going to pick a new set if anything and throw this one out. My pictures are limited to what my camera phone can handle, I seriously have no other way to get a picture of them so I'm sorry for the quality.
I had a spore print going since last night and so far its brown (just checked).
But like I said, I'll get more so I can show you all when they're very fresh and I'll get a few more spore prints for you all.
Thanks so much for the help so far!

And what is Pan and Subs?




Maybe you could check out a camera from your local library. Or if you are in school the library there would probably have some.


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Re: Oregon ID Request [Re: Mitchnast]
    #7523615 - 10/16/07 02:52 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Just to at to what Mitch said, there are also several different species of Panaeolina which all probably look very similar.

There are also lesser-known species of Panaeolus which can look similar to subbalteatus.

The genus Panaeolus is more complicated than most people know.


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Re: Oregon ID Request [Re: Mitchnast]
    #7524188 - 10/16/07 04:37 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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if the spore prints are brown throw em away. they are foenisecci. a non active look alike. or some inocybe if you see purple...




umm, you cant just call everything thats a look-alike "foenisecci"

these certainly AREN'T "foenisecci" or anything like them.




Yeah, I can. and i did call them foes, BUT on my screen i see 4 blurry pictures, each less than 200 pixels which look A LOT like the commonly referred to panaeolus subbalteatus LOOK-ALIKE panaeolina foenisecci. also, they share a same colored spore print. Also in picture number four i see a hygrophanous cap which i have not seen in any inocybe species but have in foes. I also said he may have a mixed batch. I also mentioned if there is purple that it is an inocybe. dont tell me my opinion is off basis I know what the hell i am saying. did you read my posts or just decide to be argumentative?. I said what everyone else said. if you dont like the wording, blow me.

Btw, to those speaking of the panaeolus genus:
the pulling apart of the panaeolus genus IMO just causes headaches because my subbs from california aren't the same as your subbs from florida and the ones in washington and Newfoundland arent the same either. even within the genus mutations are more common than regularity. we could possibly have hundreds of sub-species of cyans, subbs, etc. but why the hell would we talk about these slight variations? itll just cause confusion and argument. keep it simple for the laymen


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Re: Oregon ID Request [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #7524546 - 10/16/07 05:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

the spore print is brown.
The scent is very fungi smell to it.
tearing off the cap's skin its very smooth. There are lines, maybe the gills underneath?
Brushing it is makes it dark but idk what color.
the stem is kinda thick about 2 cm I think.

So this is a non active?


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Re: Oregon ID Request [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #7524579 - 10/16/07 06:05 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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if you dont like the wording, blow me.





Subbedhunter420, I do not like your wording. And others don't want to read or recieve your rude comments in this forum either. Even if you are joking, words can easily be misconstrude on a computer. This is your warning.


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Re: Oregon ID Request [Re: Vhan]
    #7525067 - 10/16/07 07:53 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

non-active for certain, ALMOST certainly toxic. and, IF so, (and almost certainly so) then VERY toxic.
Though highly unlikely a "deadly" variety.

It would be ill advised for you to consume even a small amount.

stay safe


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Re: Oregon ID Request [Re: Mitchnast]
    #7525092 - 10/16/07 07:58 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

> the spore print is brown.
> The scent is very fungi smell to it.
> tearing off the cap's skin its very smooth. There are lines, maybe the gills underneath?

Sounds like an Inocybe.

It is inactive for sure. Don't eat it.


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Re: Oregon ID Request [Re: Mitchnast]
    #7525134 - 10/16/07 08:03 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

The reason for good pictures and an even better description is so you dont get so many different answers as shown in this thread... I doubt its active just from your particular habbitat... but who am i right?


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Re: Oregon ID Request [Re: Mitchnast]
    #7525151 - 10/16/07 08:06 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Thank you guys for helping. I have a few more that I found, but I"m getting prints and stuff first. I'm sorry for the poor quality in the photos, its hard to get them looking perfect with a cell phone, and thats all I have.
If I come across them again and can get more definite descriptions and even pictures I'll let you all know, since apparently this mushroom isn't shown often (like someone said).
I'm sure I know the answer, but would it help at all if I drew the mushroom? I'm pretty confident in my ability to draw and since I have photo shop and such, I could make the colors accurate and bigger.
Just a suggestion.


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Re: Oregon ID Request [Re: Vhan]
    #7525375 - 10/16/07 08:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I apologize for insulting you. this forum is over 18 though and if i am going to be insulted i will do the same to my offender. when my knowledge and credibility are questioned in a ludicrous manner i shall do the same back.

Thanks for the warning.


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Re: Oregon ID Request [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #7525997 - 10/16/07 11:03 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

"ludicrous" is informing an uninformed person that a poisonous mushroom belongs to a family on non-toxic mushrooms, and then being too proud to admit you made a mistake to even accept it in a civil manner.

one could also apply the same level of observation to the act of giving an "apology" in the form of an insult.

Carelessly throwing around guesses and believing yourself too wise to err or be corrected is not cool.

If you take your "knowledge and credibility" seriously enough to FIGHT for when its put into question, you should put the effort into actually LEARNING why it's getting questioned.

argumentative nothing, all i did was correct you.
because you were wrong. you don't need to be angry at me, just don't be wrong in the hunting forum about IDs.
people are getting too complacent about calling everything that is a look-alike a probable example of one of the many commonly-found look-alikes.

The particular one "foenisecci" is frequently consumed as a possible active by those who read the wealth of misinformation available on many "credible" mushroom sites.
its also often consumed along with pan subbs by those who do not know the difference, a harmless practice.

ID'ng Inocybes as THIS particular mushroom is subsequently dangerous, THATS why you were corrected. not because I have any sort of interest in your "knowledge and credibility"

conclusively, you didn't "do the same back"

so, hey, live and learn, you got lots of time to work on your legacy of credibility, and now you know better than to be careless.


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Re: Oregon ID Request [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #7526033 - 10/16/07 11:12 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Whatever...

Everyone knows there are only two species of mushroom.

Pan. subbs
Pan. foes

Thanks for the warning.




heheh. just playin'.


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Re: Oregon ID Request [Re: jet li]
    #7526076 - 10/16/07 11:25 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Subbedhunter420 said:
Whatever...

Everyone knows there are only two species of mushroom.

Pan. subbs
Pan. foes

Thanks for the warning.




heheh. just playin'.




its true if u live in so-cal


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Re: Oregon ID Request [Re: jet li]
    #7526091 - 10/16/07 11:29 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

oops, forgot to mention, Inocybe geophylla is usually brown or pallid. sometimes appearing hygrophanous, between the growth and decline stages of fruiting. The color purple occurs gregariously among populations, so having many brown or pallid specimens and a few purple is in fact an identifier of this species.

ALL the pictured mushrooms should be considered inocybes, not JUST the purple ones.


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Re: Oregon ID Request [Re: Mitchnast]
    #7526130 - 10/16/07 11:38 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

> oops, forgot to mention, Inocybe geophylla is usually brown or pallid.

Inocybe geophylla is all white.

Inocybe geophylla var. lilacina is probably the one you were thinking of. It is a good match for the pictures in this thread. Both Inocybe species contain quite a bit of muscarine.


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Re: Oregon ID Request [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #7526379 - 10/17/07 01:07 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Ya know i feel like not being nice and continuing my argument but its not gonna get me anywhere but banned. I guess my trade off of the word toxic with inedible wasnt suitable? i think you do the same wording apology/insults as i do also. I have also scolded people for being hard headed on this forum. go dig up some closed threads. You also have a different way of thinking and the way you write to people may offend them more than you know. Different lives. get used to others. ill will get used to yours. done

I never want to have this conversation again.


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Re: Oregon ID Request [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #7526465 - 10/17/07 02:03 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

yeah, but if anyone DOES dig up old posts. try to refrain from posting responses to people who may very well be dead.

Thanks.

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    #7526546 - 10/17/07 02:42 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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> oops, forgot to mention, Inocybe geophylla is usually brown or pallid.

Inocybe geophylla is all white.

Inocybe geophylla var. lilacina is probably the one you were thinking of. It is a good match for the pictures in this thread. Both Inocybe species contain quite a bit of muscarine.




those are not separate species.
they are mearly separate color variations.
technically, i doubt they are even separate subspecies.

and they can occur quite brown


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    #7527215 - 10/17/07 10:52 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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yeah, but if anyone DOES dig up old posts. try to refrain from posting responses to people who may very well be dead.

Thanks.

hehehhe.




lol
yes but i wouldntve killed em. if someone died from this thread due to me id probably change my Acct. name and start over. most likely put flowers on the next inocybe i saw... the ones in my back yard.


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Re: Oregon ID Request [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #7528691 - 10/17/07 05:38 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Hhahah. Oh, i wasn't saying that your ID had killed anyone, just that every once in a while someone replies to a post from like 2001, and it's hilarious because all you see in the avatars is :



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Re: Oregon ID Request [Re: jet li]
    #7530913 - 10/18/07 11:27 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

yes i know exactly what you mean. haha.

its even better when workman finishes working up a new species and pulls the old thread out it came from and posts his work in it.


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