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Vhan
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Oregon ID Request
#7521028 - 10/15/07 09:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hello all. I was walking by a store a day or so ago and I found these mushrooms. They've been growing for a few weeks now off and on but this was the biggest amount I saw. Anyway I picked a bunch that looked the same and I'm sure they're liberty caps. I asked a friend who knows mushrooms and is into survival and such, and he says they're liberty caps, but I thought I could get a few more suggestions before I eat them. Does anyone know if these are liberty caps for SURE? OH and I haven't gotten a spore print yet, I'm working on it. And they were in a sort of grassy area by some trees. All except one were brown with brown and white on the stem and such. They all had white or light brown around the rim of the cap and dark brown on top. The first one is they only one that didn't cause it was purple, I'm sure its the same kind of mushroom though. I wasn't able to get a spore print from it, but all of it was very purple... But yeah.... Need more info let me know. Thanks!



Edited by Vhan (10/15/07 09:19 PM)
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Ganzig
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Re: Oregon ID Request [Re: Vhan]
#7521110 - 10/15/07 09:28 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Not a very good ID request. nobody can answer your questions, except to say that those are not liberty caps. Better pictures of up close shots would be a big help too. but yeah they do look like a psilocybe of some sort. awsome find if they are. but dont eat them until you are sure from someone here telling you so.
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Edited by Ganzig (10/15/07 09:32 PM)
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Re: Oregon ID Request [Re: Vhan]
#7521111 - 10/15/07 09:28 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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they look like a Psilocybe though this is most assuredly not conclusive. they are not P. semilanceata.
you will actualy have to confirm the spore color certainty, not speculation.
if you find more when they are fresh and immature, having never begun to dry out, like new pins, check the texture of the caps, describe it in detail. try to peel the outer surface from the cap. can it be peeled free? what is it's texture like?
you describe no bruising color, can you see any? if so; describe.
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Vhan
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Re: Oregon ID Request [Re: canid]
#7521138 - 10/15/07 09:34 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Okay I'll go and pick up some more tomorrow so they're fresh and I'll get that to you all. Thanks for the help so far though!
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Re: Oregon ID Request [Re: canid]
#7521140 - 10/15/07 09:34 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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i thought they were pan subbs after looking at the pics, but before reading your post
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Re: Oregon ID Request [Re: Vhan]
#7521753 - 10/15/07 11:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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They look like subbs to me. Take a spore print... I bet it is jet black!
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jet li
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Re: Oregon ID Request [Re: fliped]
#7521889 - 10/16/07 12:59 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I doubt those are Psilocybe. From the picture (which aren't that great) I'd suggest a possible Pan. spp.
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Re: Oregon ID Request [Re: jet li]
#7522006 - 10/16/07 02:23 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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i think you got some foes in there too. make sure you spore print every one of em. report any bluing. of the bases or stems
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Vhan
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I'm going to pick a new set if anything and throw this one out. My pictures are limited to what my camera phone can handle, I seriously have no other way to get a picture of them so I'm sorry for the quality. I had a spore print going since last night and so far its brown (just checked). But like I said, I'll get more so I can show you all when they're very fresh and I'll get a few more spore prints for you all. Thanks so much for the help so far!
And what is Pan and Subs?
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Re: Oregon ID Request [Re: Vhan]
#7522255 - 10/16/07 07:53 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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pics too small and blurry, but i think they look far more like Inocybe geophylla than ANY particular edible or active mushroom. as for purple specimines.. see Inocybe geophylla var. lilacina
crush them and smell them, do they smell like sperm?
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Re: Oregon ID Request [Re: Mitchnast]
#7522655 - 10/16/07 11:06 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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if the spore prints are brown throw em away. they are foenisecci. a non active look alike. or some inocybe if you see purple...
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those are not libs, your dude whos into "survival foods" is gonna end up not very surviving. either that or hes gonna hurt someone with his confidence. his "guess" was way off.
those arent subbs either.
they look like they could be many of the inactive things mentioned, mostly inocybe.
please read the rules for this hunting forum, theres tips for giving us info, we need certain info to make a proper ID, just a pic and what it was growing on isnt going to help much, since that mushroom isnt one that is commonly brought in for ID.
and please tell your friend not to give out anymore advice regarding something that could possibly kill someone, he has no idea what hes talking about and theres more varieties of mushrooms in the world than someone with limited experience could ever understand.
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Re: Oregon ID Request [Re: Vhan]
#7523523 - 10/16/07 02:38 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Vhan said: And what is Pan and Subs?
Pan is short for Panaeolus, a genus of mushrooms. Sub is short for subbalteatus, a common species of Panaeolus that is also active.
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Mitchnast
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Subbedhunter420 said: if the spore prints are brown throw em away. they are foenisecci. a non active look alike. or some inocybe if you see purple...
umm, you cant just call everything thats a look-alike "foenisecci"
these certainly AREN'T "foenisecci" or anything like them.
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Re: Oregon ID Request [Re: Vhan]
#7523609 - 10/16/07 02:52 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Vhan said: I'm going to pick a new set if anything and throw this one out. My pictures are limited to what my camera phone can handle, I seriously have no other way to get a picture of them so I'm sorry for the quality. I had a spore print going since last night and so far its brown (just checked). But like I said, I'll get more so I can show you all when they're very fresh and I'll get a few more spore prints for you all. Thanks so much for the help so far!
And what is Pan and Subs?
Maybe you could check out a camera from your local library. Or if you are in school the library there would probably have some.
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Re: Oregon ID Request [Re: Mitchnast]
#7523615 - 10/16/07 02:52 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just to at to what Mitch said, there are also several different species of Panaeolina which all probably look very similar.
There are also lesser-known species of Panaeolus which can look similar to subbalteatus.
The genus Panaeolus is more complicated than most people know.
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Re: Oregon ID Request [Re: Mitchnast]
#7524188 - 10/16/07 04:37 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mitchnast said:
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Subbedhunter420 said: if the spore prints are brown throw em away. they are foenisecci. a non active look alike. or some inocybe if you see purple...
umm, you cant just call everything thats a look-alike "foenisecci"
these certainly AREN'T "foenisecci" or anything like them.
Yeah, I can. and i did call them foes, BUT on my screen i see 4 blurry pictures, each less than 200 pixels which look A LOT like the commonly referred to panaeolus subbalteatus LOOK-ALIKE panaeolina foenisecci. also, they share a same colored spore print. Also in picture number four i see a hygrophanous cap which i have not seen in any inocybe species but have in foes. I also said he may have a mixed batch. I also mentioned if there is purple that it is an inocybe. dont tell me my opinion is off basis I know what the hell i am saying. did you read my posts or just decide to be argumentative?. I said what everyone else said. if you dont like the wording, blow me.
Btw, to those speaking of the panaeolus genus: the pulling apart of the panaeolus genus IMO just causes headaches because my subbs from california aren't the same as your subbs from florida and the ones in washington and Newfoundland arent the same either. even within the genus mutations are more common than regularity. we could possibly have hundreds of sub-species of cyans, subbs, etc. but why the hell would we talk about these slight variations? itll just cause confusion and argument. keep it simple for the laymen
Edited by Subbedhunter420 (10/16/07 04:42 PM)
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Vhan
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the spore print is brown. The scent is very fungi smell to it. tearing off the cap's skin its very smooth. There are lines, maybe the gills underneath? Brushing it is makes it dark but idk what color. the stem is kinda thick about 2 cm I think.
So this is a non active?
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if you dont like the wording, blow me.
Subbedhunter420, I do not like your wording. And others don't want to read or recieve your rude comments in this forum either. Even if you are joking, words can easily be misconstrude on a computer. This is your warning.
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Re: Oregon ID Request [Re: Vhan]
#7525067 - 10/16/07 07:53 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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non-active for certain, ALMOST certainly toxic. and, IF so, (and almost certainly so) then VERY toxic. Though highly unlikely a "deadly" variety.
It would be ill advised for you to consume even a small amount.
stay safe
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