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Findings on LSA > LSH conversion: Results!
    #7519819 - 10/15/07 02:53 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Ok, here's what I did:

Ground 15 HWBR seeds (fairly old seeds, it seemed like) to a fine powder. *** It should be noted that I scraped the seeds clean of their outer hulls, the woody part. This part can contain high levels of cyanide. DO NOT SKIP THIS STEP WITH THIS HIGH OF A DOSE

Put the poweder in a small half pint jar with one hole in the lid to shoot butane into.

Sprayed with butane for 3-4 seconds, let rest, then removed powder and cleaned residue from glass; repeated once more.

Added water to the dust, let sit for around a half hour, this step is probably not necessary.

Added 1/8 of a cup of balsamic vinegar, let rest for 2 hours

Drinking was not much of an issue surprisingly, the balsamic vinegar actually tasted pretty good, and completely masked that awful seed taste.


T:0 hour
Drank the liquid, chased with a can of ginger ale

T: 1 hour
I began to feel them for sure, definite body high, but almost no nausea.

T: 3 hours
Around this time it felt like a really nice 1-2 hit acid trip, static vision, CEV's, and even some pretty good wavy distortions going on. My mind felt really blank, just very clean and good.

T: 4 hours
Ate 1 1/2 grams of shrooms, in chocolate

T: 4 1/2 hours
Really kickin' it, the shrooms were coming on, and the LSA was peaking, then we smoked some pretty ridiculous nugget (2 different kinds, mixed, good shit) Brought some black lights into the room, blew bubbles, listened to King Crimson, painted on each other with highlighter water, and laughed fucking a lot. A great time.

T: 6 hours
Shrooms really started to kick in, the LSA was waning, but still there for the next 4-5 hours for sure. Had an hour or so of some amazing sex before beginning some ritual soap carving of a little meditating man.

T: 12 hours
Still really high (after more smoking) and tripping, walking was fun and the ground looked pretty cool. Smoked another bowl and passed out. Good times.


Summary:
While I am not sure the balsamic did anything, I can defintiely say the LSA caused me to trip, which is more than I could ever say for it until now. I'd really urge people to try this out, you have nothing to lose but a few seeds.


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Re: Findings on LSA > LSH conversion: Results! [Re: xFrockx]
    #7519842 - 10/15/07 03:00 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

hmm. so was the trip any different than normal "LSA" trips, minus the "no body load" part? 14 Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds are a lot! Even for two people that's a strong dose.

and how did you clean the butane off of the seed powder?

sounds like you two had a great time, either way!!
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Re: Findings on LSA > LSH conversion: Results! [Re: dirtworshipper]
    #7519999 - 10/15/07 03:37 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Well, it did feel different, because I felt it. The other times I have taken LSA it has been really shitty and weak, basically a method of becoming nauseous. This trip was very much like an acid trip, but not much like the LSA trips I've had, which normally just make me feel sick, cold, and dizzy.

I didn't split the seeds with another person, I ate the 15 alone.

I didn't have to clean any butane residue off of the dust because butane evaporates at room temperature. It just boiled off.


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Re: Findings on LSA > LSH conversion: Results! [Re: xFrockx]
    #7520027 - 10/15/07 03:43 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

no open eye visuals thats lame lol


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Re: Findings on LSA > LSH conversion: Results! [Re: Coaster]
    #7520427 - 10/15/07 05:58 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I had some, I thought i put that in the OP...


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Re: Findings on LSA > LSH conversion: Results! [Re: xFrockx]
    #7520509 - 10/15/07 06:16 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

My favorite part about this method is it doesn't involve 95% alcohol (hard to get here in California).

I had an awesome LSA trip the other night, dramamine helps a lot. That said, I've gotta try this with the rest of my seeds this weekend.


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Re: Findings on LSA > LSH conversion: Results! [Re: xFrockx]
    #7520530 - 10/15/07 06:19 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

You just took LSA, acetic acid + LSA at room temperature isnt going to give you LSH.

Hope you had a good trip :mushroom2:


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Re: Findings on LSA > LSH conversion: Results! [Re: Acyl]
    #7520686 - 10/15/07 06:53 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

yes, but acetic acid isn't the only thing in vinegar. When they make vinegar they use acetylaldehyde that later converts to acetic acid, or at least thats what google tells me. I'm banking these results on the fact that there is still some acetylaldehyde in the vinegar, (which, because it is balsamic, is probably more likely than harsher vinegars) Plus, the acetic acid preserves the LSH apparently. This is all based on my own research into it, and I'm very possibly wrong. Qualitatively though, it was a slam dunk.

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"The transformation of wine or fruit juice to vinegar is a chemical process in which ethyl alcohol undergoes partial oxidation that results in the formation of acetaldehyde. In the third stage, the acetaldehyde is converted into acetic acid. The chemical reaction is as follows: CH3CH2OH=2HCH3CHO=CH3COOH."

http://www.madehow.com/Volume-7/Vinegar.html


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Re: Findings on LSA > LSH conversion: Results! [Re: xFrockx]
    #7520736 - 10/15/07 07:05 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

In either case, acetaldehyde + LSA at room temperature isnt going to get you to LSH, the reaction is just too unfavourable.

Lets say the compound was made under those conditions. The carbonyl in the amide is going to be pullin electron density from the nitrogen (as it usually does) and because of this, the carbon (bold) that forms the characteristic bond in LSH, N-C(OH)-CH3, is going to associate itself with a partial positive charge. As a result, the hydroxyl group is going to be forced to give it some electrons to make up for carbon having a positive charge despite the fact that oxygen is an electronegative compound. To make up for this whole tug-of-war the compound will just break down into its components.

Youd need to carry out a full synthesis to hope for this conversion.


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Re: Findings on LSA > LSH conversion: Results! [Re: Acyl]
    #7520770 - 10/15/07 07:15 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I don't want to sound too dense, but I think that there is at least a small chance that this does work. Yes, it may be unfavorable, but I definitely noticed a big difference between the stuff I took and my other LSA trips. Now, I wouldn't take that to court, but qualitatively I cannot fathom LSA doing what this stuff did to me.

I think we need to get some solid testing on the matter, but we'd need someone to do some spectrometry for that. While it may be unfavorable that this can happen, I really don't believe it is impossible.

What if some other chemical, namely acetic acid, allowed the reaction to become more stable?


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Re: Findings on LSA > LSH conversion: Results! [Re: xFrockx]
    #7520822 - 10/15/07 07:34 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

If you look at the reaction and see what sorts of incredibly high energy intermediates are needed for this particular formation you can see that this could not happen at room temperature.

This synthesis cant even be carried out under theoretical conditions with normal electron donating primary amines, a primary amide at room temperature is just hopeless :shrug:


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Re: Findings on LSA > LSH conversion: Results! [Re: Acyl]
    #7520957 - 10/15/07 08:49 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

yeah i think with lsa you trip different regardless of how you prepare it which would account for why some love it, some hate it, and its considered nonvisual sometimes yet some say its at least as visual as lsd.


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Re: Findings on LSA > LSH conversion: Results! [Re: Moo456]
    #7521176 - 10/15/07 09:41 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

My best understanding so far is that a non polar / polar extraction of HBWR seeds is as good as it gets for all intensive purposes using at home processes.


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Re: Findings on LSA > LSH conversion: Results! [Re: Acyl]
    #22957067 - 02/28/16 10:25 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14940618

You all need to read my posts in this thread. A lot of info and description pertaining to my successful "LSH" attempt, quite extraordinary, tell me you think THAT experience was just LSA's alone :smile:  I'm working on pinpointing a foolproof method so everyone can finally see that the skepticism has no place in this discussion...you will eventually see when this novel LS-X compound is finally reliably reproduceable and you will finally understand what we who have had the mystical conversion take place mean by statements i.e (LSD-like, 90% identical to small doses of traditional LSD-25!, etc.) it truly is something clean/powerul/much more traditionally visual and stimulatory! Read on my friends!


Also, I guess I'm just too new on here to be able to create a new Thread, still trying to figure out how to navigate everything here and create a topic with my FULL tek/conversion procedure with pictures, if anybody out there can assist me, mods or otherwise, I would greatly appreciate it, my sole reason for finally joining was because of my extremely successful experiments with LSA's and I felt I finally had something to contribute to the community; if anyone can help me out I'm anxiously awaiting to hear from you so I can share my data/pics/procedures


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Re: Findings on LSA > LSH conversion: Results! [Re: Godseed313]
    #22957143 - 02/28/16 10:58 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

The soft white insides of the seed contain little to no lsa from what I gather.  Compared to the hard outer shell anyway.

So for clarification I feel like mentioning that the tight woody outer shell contains all the lsa basically, and 15 seeds is going to be intense and visual(probably too much), unless you throw away this hard woody shell.  The husk is what contains undesirables, and most varieties of HBWR don't come with this husk still intact.

So correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like op threw out the most potent part of the seed, unless he consumed or extracted the goodness from the crunchy/woody outer shell and simply discarded this rarely intact husk.

Not to be a common know-it-all cynic.  Just though I'd throw that out there as I've heard of people discarding the lsa rich outer shell many times before, when they didn't realize that this is literally where all the actives reside within the seed.  As I said before, the soft innards are useless by comparison.  So if there is a mold-like or woody husk get rid of it.  The almost polished-looking, smooth and dense shell that surrounds the soft innards contains all the lsa.  If you thoroughly chew and choke down 15 seeds(or use the equivalent of extract) of the right type of seed, aka the Hawaiian variety as opposed to the almost useless Ghana variety, you will trip your face off.


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Re: Findings on LSA > LSH conversion: Results! [Re: rajabrokes]
    #22957206 - 02/28/16 11:28 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

It's too bad cyanogenic glycosides have made people discard the actives in their seeds.  I just pulled up 12 different reports where people got rid of the majority of the lsa in their seeds and consumed the soft insides.  Mistaking the shell as being the "husk".  In fact, a number of drug websites have now misrepresented how to consume HBWR because of this.  These misinterpretations caused bad info to spread like wildfire it would seem.

It used to be that nausea was just a part of the experience, and you simply eat a few seeds for an obvious lsd-like trip.  8+ for a strong trip and tread lightly from there.  In trying to rid ourselves of sickness people began discarding the actives.  You will hear anything from "contains large amounts of cyanogenic glycosides" to a more accurate, "trace amounts of cyanogenic glycosides".  The reason the husk has always been discarded.  Now people are discarding the best part.

You are supposed to discard the husk and eat them.  10 seeds is not a lame trip.  It's strong provided that you ate the parts of the seed that you are supposed to.  La purga

So the hard-to-chew shell contains most of the goods.  Apparently this sort of confusion is why there's so much bad dosage info out there.



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Re: Findings on LSA > LSH conversion: Results! [Re: xFrockx]
    #22957688 - 02/29/16 06:22 AM (7 years, 10 months ago)

I hope you didnt use lighter butane straight from the can.


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