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Re: What do i need to make LSD? [Re: Robo]
    #7519794 - 10/15/07 02:47 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Clicked that link. Thats a killer front cover.


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Re: What do i need to make LSD? [Re: cube talk]
    #7519796 - 10/15/07 02:47 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Wait.. how different is a LSA trip from a LSD.





not as good


dont give up your dream though, if your majoring in something chemistry related just store it all in your memory, later on down the road it could come in handy


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Re: What do i need to make LSD? [Re: cube talk]
    #7519801 - 10/15/07 02:48 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I made a thread like this a while ago, by the way, and people provided useful links: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6920613#6920613


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Re: What do i need to make LSD? [Re: JunkFood]
    #7519808 - 10/15/07 02:51 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Look, i just want something i can control.

My first and only psychedelic to this day has been mushrooms.

And they are alarmingly weird sometimes, and other times, they are dazzling.

I want something that i can be around friends at the beach playing volleyball tripping for example.

I mean I HEARD that LSD is much more enjoyable and more consistent anyway.


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Re: What do i need to make LSD? [Re: JunkFood]
    #7519831 - 10/15/07 02:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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JunkFood said:
all you need is two hands :shrug:



and a bit of Chem methodology know-how/lab procedure skills, and O-Chem. Some of this stuff can be dangerous if you don't know what you are doing.


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Re: What do i need to make LSD? [Re: Robo]
    #7519845 - 10/15/07 03:00 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Pffft...as dangerous as what? Baking a cake? All it is is a recipe and anyone with two hands and developed coordination can mix the ingrediants, I'm sure :smirk:


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Re: What do i need to make LSD? [Re: JunkFood]
    #7519847 - 10/15/07 03:01 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

right :grin:


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Re: What do i need to make LSD? [Re: Robo]
    #7519853 - 10/15/07 03:03 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Anyways I don't think LSD would be a good place to start for one's first synthesis, something like MDMA might be better.


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Re: What do i need to make LSD? [Re: Robo]
    #7519891 - 10/15/07 03:12 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

The thing is: people who're knowledgable about the subject always say how it's so complicated and potentially dangerous, but no one ever gives a specific example of a step in the process that's difficult. Tell me something that'll make me go "Wow. Yeah, man, that does sound hard. How do those chemists do that?"


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Re: What do i need to make LSD? [Re: Robo]
    #7519905 - 10/15/07 03:14 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Adagio said:
Anyways I don't think LSD would be a good place to start for one's first synthesis, something like MDMA might be better.




No something like simple extractions would be better to start. DMT, maybe even LSA extraction from seeds, you have to start small. Methcathinone synthysis.


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Re: What do i need to make LSD? [Re: JunkFood]
    #7519922 - 10/15/07 03:19 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, college chem won't really help you, besides learning to make some simple substances. Let's remember the kind of experience Hoffman had. He had been working for years to make something, and only accidentally did he come upon it.


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Re: What do i need to make LSD? [Re: The_Bomb]
    #7519924 - 10/15/07 03:19 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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The_Bomb said:
No something like simple extractions would be better to start. DMT, maybe even LSA extraction from seeds, you have to start small. Methcathinone synthysis.



Sure, but extractions/alkaloid isolation and alkaloid synthesis are two completely different things. I'm talking about one's first synthesis.


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Re: What do i need to make LSD? [Re: Robo]
    #7519949 - 10/15/07 03:24 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Quote:

The_Bomb said:
No something like simple extractions would be better to start. DMT, maybe even LSA extraction from seeds, you have to start small. Methcathinone synthysis.



Sure, but extractions/alkaloid isolation and alkaloid synthesis are two completely different things. I'm talking about one's first synthesis.




Methcathinone.


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Re: What do i need to make LSD? [Re: Robo]
    #7520339 - 10/15/07 05:37 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Adagio said:
Anyways I don't think LSD would be a good place to start for one's first synthesis, something like MDMA might be better.




Are we talking about starting from ergotamine tartrate (common) or the total synthesis of LSD starting from indole (uncommon)?

The first would be much easier than the MDMA synth, the second not so much.


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Re: What do i need to make LSD? [Re: JunkFood]
    #7520650 - 10/15/07 06:46 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

hey now some cakes arent all that easy


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Re: What do i need to make LSD? [Re: JunkFood]
    #7520719 - 10/15/07 07:02 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

so you wanna make some Cid ey?

Me too! Except this is the first or so post actually pulling any real attention towards myself and the process of making the chem. From what I've read, it's NOT that hard. Getting ahold of the chems IS.

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Where is
LSA + LOW heat and a little HCl = Lysergic acid
Lysergic acid + diethylamine + thionyl chloride (thats the correct spelling) = LSD




You are correct EXCEPT as Wiccan_seeker put (and he/she added that EXACT statement) If you were to just "throw" those together while in an un-ananhydrouse (*anhydrouse* meaning non water molacule containing I beleive) then you will come out with 1 of 3 different substances although none of them could really hurt you at the strength of a few micrograms. I've read and almost understand everything in Uncle Festers book and it seems pretty easy/straight forward up to the pure lysergic acid part so thats not THAT hard. I guess if you slowly nudged the Lysergic acid carefully with diethylamine + thionyl chloride theory you could probably make some low grade acid (like atleast 50 % strength) without any REAL lab stuff to work with.

I look at it this way. To get the Lysergic Acid, You just need to defat the precursor, then add chloroform with methanol to the now deffated material and then when this is deccanted, you have the lysergic acid. Easy. It's not to much of a leap from lysergic acid to a diethymine imo.

I think this will prove to be one of those "ima leet hacker/acid maker and what I do is harder then what it actuall is" kinda thing. I believe in promoting (not SPACIFICALLY promoting people to research the synthasis of lsd. Think about it, a Lucy revalution! How long has it been since you've dropped? Personally Cube Talk, Get a few books on the spacific synth of it and get some different recipes to compare while your going through your course. Get all you can out of your schools programs, research what you need to make this stuff and try to five finger it when you get the first chance into the chem room as this is a gold mine in disguise :wink:

Work hard, as will I and hopefully you'll be droppin some tabs with a logo made by cube talk or HTR.. Hypothetically though, I don't plan on making it just as much cube talk really doesnt mean to make it :laugh:

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Re: What do i need to make LSD? [Re: hightimesreader]
    #7520756 - 10/15/07 07:12 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Owsley Stanley, Bear, the greatest acid cook ever, had no formal chemistry education. He was just excellent at following directions, and stumbled upon a large quantity of a good but rare precursor chemical.

It's possible to make acid with minimal chemistry education, but you need the right equipment and the right chemicals, which are expensive and tightly regulated to make sure people like you (or the rest of us) don't get them.


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Re: What do i need to make LSD? [Re: hightimesreader]
    #7520764 - 10/15/07 07:14 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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I guess if you slowly nudged the Lysergic acid carefully with diethylamine + thionyl chloride theory you could probably make some low grade acid (like atleast 50 % strength) without any REAL lab stuff to work with.





How to you figure?

Your yields will be low in almost any LSD synthesis as most require steps in which racemization is unavoidable. If you had pure lysergic acid and did the thionyl chloride + diethylamine reaction you would end up with yields just as good as any synthesis.


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Re: What do i need to make LSD? [Re: cube talk]
    #7520797 - 10/15/07 07:24 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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cube talk said:

I want something that i can be around friends at the beach playing volleyball tripping for example.

I mean I HEARD that LSD is much more enjoyable and more consistent anyway.




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Re: What do i need to make LSD? [Re: THEBats]
    #7521068 - 10/15/07 09:15 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Send me a PM when you guys figure it out.  I'll be waiting  :smile:


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