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Lucid Sky Dream
    #7519631 - 10/15/07 02:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

found this on the web
http://www.yahooka.com/forum/51459645-post1.html

with my extensive practice using this substance not only believe this experience to be true but also think it somehow reveals something about lsd's true nature. your thoughts?


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Re: Lucid Sky Dream [Re: habitat0789]
    #7519645 - 10/15/07 02:13 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Sounds like an LSD trip to me, alright. :lol:

I prefer to think that such despair is the ego projecting itself onto the All One, and that the latter is characterized by infinite love and peace.  But that is just my preference and I don't know at all.


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Re: Lucid Sky Dream [Re: habitat0789]
    #7519646 - 10/15/07 02:13 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Haha, L.S.D.

saw this on the pub.:thumbup:


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Re: Lucid Sky Dream [Re: habitat0789]
    #7519681 - 10/15/07 02:22 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

not only believe this experience to be true

Based on your experience and this post? Oh well, there are also LSD users who don't think it's anymore than an unprovable fantasy. At least those who have been long time users. One tends to get new perspectives over the years.

This continuous speculation on things that are completely unprovable sure is fun, distracting, and time consuming.


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Re: Lucid Sky Dream [Re: Icelander]
    #7520059 - 10/15/07 03:54 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Now I think that it must be truly horrible to be God, to be IT! Nothing else beyond you or apart from you, no help, no world, no god to pray to, no nothing except your own self.




If I were God I would have the best parties ever! All the top rock stars will be there - even some dead ones. Can you say Hendrix and Garcia? Even Mozart will be making a special guest appearance. Some hot babes will be there, too. Cleopatra, Helen of Troy, Nefertiti and of course, Marilyn Monroe. Y'all are invited. :heart:

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Re: Lucid Sky Dream [Re: Icelander]
    #7520477 - 10/15/07 06:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Oh well, there are also LSD users who don't think it's anymore than an unprovable fantasy. At least those who have been long time users.




is this your interpretation of acid... an unprovable fantasy?

most of my lsd trips have been all fantasy, or at least that is how I interpret them to be. then there were those select trips that tampered with my association with mind big time and made seconds feel like hours. was that fantasy? or was it at the time reality?


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Re: Lucid Sky Dream [Re: onlynow]
    #7520492 - 10/15/07 06:11 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I suspect that the clock was beating at the same rate. :sherlock:


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Re: Lucid Sky Dream [Re: Icelander]
    #7520504 - 10/15/07 06:14 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

one of my friends is a long time user of acid (30 years exp.) who has not had one time-dissolving trip. he is a big fantasizer .


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Re: Lucid Sky Dream [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7520510 - 10/15/07 06:16 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

please explain and clarify what you mean. I'm pretty sure I know... but I could be absolutely ignorant.


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Re: Lucid Sky Dream [Re: onlynow]
    #7520529 - 10/15/07 06:19 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

What exactly from my remark you do not understand? :tongue:


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Re: Lucid Sky Dream [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7520541 - 10/15/07 06:21 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

it's not that I don't understand, it's just that I'm not too sure I completely understand, you know? I don't wanna assume I understand, so could you please clarify what you meant in greater detail so I could maybe fully understand?


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Re: Lucid Sky Dream [Re: onlynow]
    #7520813 - 10/15/07 07:32 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

How can I make it any more simple that that?
If the time went along in the same manner for the rest of the planet, it must have been your own mind interpreting the passage of time in a different way.


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Re: Lucid Sky Dream [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7521152 - 10/15/07 09:36 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

time dilation is an interpretation of the mind?

my mind can't interpret after experiencing ego death, because there is no mind to interpret.  IME ego death dissolves the mind, or attachment to it or however you want to say it. 

this has NOTHING to do with the rest of the planet.  this has to do with my own experience with time.  right now seconds are seconds and minutes are minutes.  when I did acid alone and smoked pot minutes did not feel like minutes, they felt like eternity.

The Entheogen Theory of Religion and Ego Death explains what is revealed in religious revelation and in enlightenment, including the nature of personal control agency.

The essence and origin of religion is the use of visionary plants to routinely trigger the intense mystic altered state, producing loose binding of cognitive associations. This loose cognitive binding then produces an experience of being controlled by frozen block-universe determinism with a single, pre-existing, ever-existing future.

Experiencing this model of control and time initially destabilizes self-control power, and amounts to the death of the self that was conceived of as an autonomous control-agent. Self-control stability is restored upon transforming one's mental model to take into account the dependence of personal control on a hidden, separate thought-source, such as Necessity or a divine level that transcends Necessity.

Myth describes this mystic-state experiential insight and transformation. Religious initiation teaches and causes this transformation of the self considered as a control-agent, through a series of visionary-plant sessions, interspersed with study of perennial philosophy. Most modern-era religion has been a distortion of this standard initiation system, reducing these concepts to a weak interpretation that is based in the ordinary state of consciousness.


it is the self that interprets.  when there is no self, there is no interpretation.

glad you brought this up.

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Re: Lucid Sky Dream [Re: habitat0789]
    #7521165 - 10/15/07 09:39 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I actually tried acid in a lucid dream... hallucinated too! :crazy2:


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Re: Lucid Sky Dream [Re: habitat0789]
    #7521334 - 10/15/07 10:12 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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habitat0789 said:
found this on the web
http://www.yahooka.com/forum/51459645-post1.html

with my extensive practice using this substance not only believe this experience to be true but also think it somehow reveals something about lsd's true nature. your thoughts?




I've had these thoughts on weed and in meditation. Buddhists have these thoughts. It's not just some LSD thing. I think whether life as we know it is real or just an illusion, it's still going to slip away just like this guy experienced.


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Re: Lucid Sky Dream [Re: onlynow]
    #7521365 - 10/15/07 10:17 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Thank you for describing me a psychedelic experience. :lol:
I am not saying that your experiences aren't real, I am not trying to tell you that you felt differently than you sustain.

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my mind can't interpret after experiencing ego death, because there is no mind to interpret. IME ego death dissolves the mind, or attachment to it or however you want to say it.




Is there absence of mind in "ego death"? I think not. Maybe the absence of the mind as you're used to have it on regular days which is entirely different. Let me give you a few definitions on what we understand through the concept of mind:

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mind      (mīnd)  Pronunciation Key
n. 

  1. The human consciousness that originates in the brain and is manifested especially in thought, perception, emotion, will, memory, and imagination.
  2. The collective conscious and unconscious processes in a sentient organism that direct and influence mental and physical behavior.
  3. The principle of intelligence; the spirit of consciousness regarded as an aspect of reality.
  4. The faculty of thinking, reasoning, and applying knowledge: Follow your mind, not your heart.
  5. A person of great mental ability: the great minds of the century.
  6.
        1. Individual consciousness, memory, or recollection: I'll bear the problem in mind.
        2. A person or group that embodies certain mental qualities: the medical mind; the public mind.
        3. The thought processes characteristic of a person or group; psychological makeup: the criminal mind.
  7. Opinion or sentiment: He changed his mind when he heard all the facts.
  8. Desire or inclination: She had a mind to spend her vacation in the desert.
  9. Focus of thought; attention: I can't keep my mind on work.
  10. A healthy mental state; sanity: losing one's mind.




Do you lack all of these hen you experience "ego death"? :strokebeard:


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Re: Lucid Sky Dream [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7521675 - 10/15/07 11:28 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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MushroomTrip said:Is there absence of mind in "ego death"? I think not. Maybe the absence of the mind as you're used to have it on regular days which is entirely different. Let me give you a few definitions on what we understand through the concept of mind:

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mind      (mīnd)  Pronunciation Key
n. 

  1. The human consciousness that originates in the brain and is manifested especially in thought, perception, emotion, will, memory, and imagination.
  2. The collective conscious and unconscious processes in a sentient organism that direct and influence mental and physical behavior.
  3. The principle of intelligence; the spirit of consciousness regarded as an aspect of reality.
  4. The faculty of thinking, reasoning, and applying knowledge: Follow your mind, not your heart.
  5. A person of great mental ability: the great minds of the century.
  6.
        1. Individual consciousness, memory, or recollection: I'll bear the problem in mind.
        2. A person or group that embodies certain mental qualities: the medical mind; the public mind.
        3. The thought processes characteristic of a person or group; psychological makeup: the criminal mind.
  7. Opinion or sentiment: He changed his mind when he heard all the facts.
  8. Desire or inclination: She had a mind to spend her vacation in the desert.
  9. Focus of thought; attention: I can't keep my mind on work.
  10. A healthy mental state; sanity: losing one's mind.




Do you lack all of these hen you experience "ego death"? :strokebeard:




Definitions #4,5,6,7,8,9 sound about what I'm talking about.  And yes I definitely lacked them.

Couldn't even remember my own fucking name for about 5 hours (I stopped trying and naturally entered the fetal position). 

Anyways, here's what I meant -

“The moment you enter samadhi you are no longer an individual. You lose your ego, and with the ego you lose all your limits, all your boundaries. You cease to be a wave in the ocean of consciousness. You become the very ocean of consciousness itself. You are the same ocean as I am. You are as oceanic as anyone who has realized his ultimate, his sat-chit-anand. We are not separate. We belong to one existence without any demarcation lines. All limitations are mind projections. The flowers are your flowers, the greatness of the stars is your greatness, and the smallness of the grass leaves is your smallness. The moment you start feeling this universalness, you have come home.”


"“Man” comes from “manas,” which means mind.

So when the spirit, the Hu, dominates the mind, you find a hu-man. Of course, in us, the mind controls everything, and the spirit is ignored.

“Being” implies someone who knows how to “be,” and that someone is our own inner God, the Being. We are not what we should be. We have to learn how to be the Being.

So a human being is someone who is what they should be: a mind under the direction of the Being."



"The no-mind not-thinks no-thoughts about no-things - The Buddah"


the ego, our conditioning, who we think we are, what we think, our programming... etc.  this is what I was trying to convey.

perhaps I did experience a mind.  but definitely not my ordinary thinking mind :wink:


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Re: Lucid Sky Dream [Re: onlynow]
    #7521909 - 10/16/07 01:08 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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perhaps I did experience a mind. but definitely not my ordinary thinking mind :wink:




Exactly. :smile:
You experienced a totally different state of mind. Which is not the same thing with the total absence of mind.  And through that particular state of mind the time seemed to be different, dilated or even inexistent. It means that for example, you were unable to determine when a second was over. But this doesn't mean that the notion of a second itself was gone. :wink:
And I am not going to start arguing about the existence of time because I consider it an irrelevant matter. It is one of the less important things that one might "learn" from a psychedelic experience. I can also understand why that matter seems important and this is because the experience itself is striking. It has a huge impact on us, who are used to be under the pressure of time. We have to make an appointment with the doctor first things in the morning, we have to leave home early if we want to get to work because there might be traffic and so on. All of these activities gather a lot of tension which is being released in the moment in which our out of the common mind realizes the insignificance of time in that particular context. :mushroom2:
However, if we want to make ourselves understood and understand others on a functional level, agreeing upon the existence of time is imperative.


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Re: Lucid Sky Dream [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7521941 - 10/16/07 01:32 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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MushroomTrip said:
You experienced a totally different state of mind.




There is no need to tell me what I experienced and impose your interpretation.  how could I ever define another's experience and warp their interpretation.  for this you are the first to enter my ignore list.

In all honesty I don't think you have a clue as to what happened to me.    I don't think you will ever understand me on these forums, many people never will.  It is nature.  There are cats and there are dogs.

agreeing upon the existence of time is imperative.

when did I say I disagreed.  another annoying assumption, another reason to ignore.

buh bye :hippie:


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Re: Lucid Sky Dream [Re: onlynow]
    #7522022 - 10/16/07 02:44 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

:smirk:

:gaycrankey:

:bye:


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