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OfflineNignugnot
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Homophobia illegal?
    #7518395 - 10/15/07 05:08 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Just watching BBC America before work on Monday and over heard that Rio in Brazil was having another gay pride parade... this one was attended openly by politicians who are sponsering a bill to make homophobia illegal...


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Re: Homophobia illegal? [Re: Nignugnot]
    #7518398 - 10/15/07 05:11 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Thought control...

Most countries have discrimination laws, outside of there scope, I can hate on the gays all I want.


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Re: Homophobia illegal? [Re: Chubba]
    #7518406 - 10/15/07 05:19 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

It's a backlash against violence perpetrated by gays, and about time to. It's a minority that should feel safe, just like any other minority that have been hated for in the past.

It is thought control to, just like "don't kill people, don't hurt people, share, sit down and shut the fuck up" is thought control, not always a malicious thing when used to keep bigots in line.


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Re: Homophobia illegal? [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #7518413 - 10/15/07 05:23 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

People should be able to think and feel what they want no matter how stupid or fucked up that thought is.


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Re: Homophobia illegal? [Re: Knifey Mcstab]
    #7518420 - 10/15/07 05:27 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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It's a backlash against violence perpetrated by gays, and about time to. It's a minority that should feel safe, just like any other minority that have been hated for in the past.



They are safe, they fall under the exact same laws that protect everybody else.

I'm allowed to hate gays if I want... if I go attack one, the police will get me... if I discriminate against them in the workplace, I will end up in court... so WTF can't I be free to think what I want.


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Re: Homophobia illegal? [Re: Chubba]
    #7518455 - 10/15/07 06:01 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Homophobia

1. Fear of or contempt for lesbians and gay men.
2. Behavior based on such a feeling.

How can a country make homophobia illegal? That would be like making arachnophobia illegal. You can't criminalize a fear (or a thought of any sort, for that matter) - I'd love to see the article or hear the newscast, because it sounds like the story was taken way out of context.
You can, however, enforce laws that protect people from other people's behaviors (see definition 2) - of course, in most cases, negative behaviors are the direct result of fears.

On a personal note: I work with a bunch of ignorant rednecks who throw around the word "faggot" like it's going out of style. I don't consider myself a "faggot" but I enjoy hearing that word about as much as I enjoy hearing the word "nigger." They're hateful words that were borne of ignorance, and they perpetuate negative and ignorant thoughts and behaviors.
Who cares if some dude likes to sex up other dudes instead of women?
Seriously, what do people have against gay people (or the sexual practices thereof)?
I'm dying to know what the big deal is.


Edited by alkamist (10/15/07 06:02 AM)


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Re: Homophobia illegal? [Re: alkamist]
    #7518657 - 10/15/07 08:23 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

How the fuck are they going to make homophobia illegal? Godfucking damnit, what a stupid idea to begin with. I'm bisexual and if somebody hates gays, that's their own problem; I don't view homophobes as the enemy. Personally, hatred is wasted energy.


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Re: Homophobia illegal? [Re: alkamist]
    #7518701 - 10/15/07 08:53 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I think they're focusing more on the contempt part, not the fear part. Probably more so the behavior based on the contempt actually.

Next time take into account all of the definition you posted if you're going to use it for an argument.


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Re: Homophobia illegal? [Re: Boots]
    #7518707 - 10/15/07 08:55 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

emotional prohibition. it'll never work.


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Re: Homophobia illegal? [Re: alkamist]
    #7518717 - 10/15/07 08:59 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I also forgot to mention that "faggot" and "nigger" are not words "borne of ignorance" as you say, just simply their negative connotation. Nigger makes more sense than faggot, I never understood that one. Regardless, I know this sounds lame, but it's the people that get offended by such words that make them have any sort of weight, not the people that say them.


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Re: Homophobia illegal? [Re: Knifey Mcstab]
    #7518725 - 10/15/07 09:03 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Mandrake said:
People should be able to think and feel what they want no matter how stupid or fucked up that thought is.




Yes, but if that impedes another individual's right to attend a school or get hired by a job job because of external issues that are not even related to the person's performance at hand, then laws against discrimination should get set up.


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Re: Homophobia illegal? [Re: Crystal G]
    #7518789 - 10/15/07 09:32 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Its not a thought law...you can think whatever you wish...

A law protecting homosexuals from discrimination in the work place and schools sounds perfectly acceptable to me. Its not protecting them from people secretly fearing them or people not accepting their lifestyle, that will always be around. This at least protects homosexuals from getting attacked violently or harassed constantly.

I honestly don't think we will be prohibiting any real intellectual or relevant free speech by disallowing the word fag in business and in schools.


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Re: Homophobia illegal? [Re: Nignugnot]
    #7518849 - 10/15/07 09:56 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Homophobia illegal? [Re: Nignugnot]
    #7518864 - 10/15/07 10:08 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Well, I'd have to see what they are proposing in Brazil before I make a judgment. I assume it is some kind of anti-discrimination legislation. Just flat out making homophobia illegal is unenforceable. You can't control what people think no matter how many laws you make. Although modern society has certainly tried with such ridiculous things as "hate crime" laws. I mean, seriously, if I harass, discriminate, beat up or even murder someone does it really matter what my motivations were? Laws are there to protect each of us from these things already, hate crime laws are just trying to add an extra level of punishment to the act by assuming one motivation is worse then another.

If I am a chauvinist pig who won't hire a secretary because shes not as hot as I would like then I am discriminating. If I won't hire her because she is gay (therefore I might not have a chance to bang her) then I am now committing a hate crime. How fucking stupid is that?


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Re: Homophobia illegal? [Re: ToTheSummit]
    #7518909 - 10/15/07 10:28 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

ToTheSummit said:
You can't control what people think no matter how many laws you make. Although modern society has certainly tried with such ridiculous things as "hate crime" laws. I mean, seriously, if I harass, discriminate, beat up or even murder someone does it really matter what my motivations were? Laws are there to protect each of us from these things already, hate crime laws are just trying to add an extra level of punishment to the act by assuming one motivation is worse then another.

If I am a chauvinist pig who won't hire a secretary because shes not as hot as I would like then I am discriminating. If I won't hire her because she is gay (therefore I might not have a chance to bang her) then I am now committing a hate crime. How fucking stupid is that?





well put!

actions deserve punishments, motives dont

poeple should be able to be afraid of whatever they want...im farly scared of global warming, and greenhouse gas emissions...im sure that the bush admin. would make that rear illegal if they could

freedoms are great, just remember that the freedom to swing your fist ends at the tip of the other guys nose


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Re: Homophobia illegal? [Re: jewunit]
    #7518953 - 10/15/07 10:58 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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jewunit said:
I think they're focusing more on the contempt part, not the fear part. Probably more so the behavior based on the contempt actually.

Next time take into account all of the definition you posted if you're going to use it for an argument.




Which is my point. It's the same with racism. Sure, the laws do exist to prevent everyone from assault, but that does not work. Thus a law makes it more apparent that it's wrong to condemn someone because they are not like you, something that would make the difference when a police officer sees someone known to be gay being attacked. If people were not so fucking vicious, this law would not be necessary. If people were not so fucking vicious, lobby groups for blacks and jews would not exist.

It's the fault of those that are homophobic for being so vocal and unrestrained in their misplaced hatred of something they so poorly comprehend that this law is in place. You have no one to blaim except those that justify their violence by saying "They're not like us, that's wrong."


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Re: Homophobia illegal? [Re: boomer q]
    #7518994 - 10/15/07 11:17 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I'm from Brazil, basically, what they're trying to do is to approve the following:

Art. 1º. A qualquer pessoa jurídica que por seus agentes, empregados, dirigentes, propaganda ou qualquer outro meio, promoverem, permitirem ou concorrerem para a discriminação de pessoas em virtude de sua orientação sexual serão aplicadas as sanções previstas nesta Lei, sem prejuízo de outras de natureza civil ou penal.
(Art 1. Any corporation that by its agents, employees, managers, advertising or other means, promote, permit or compete for the persecution of people because of their sexual orientation will apply the penalties provided for in this law, without prejudice to other civil in nature or criminal.)

Art. 2º. Para os efeitos desta Lei são atos de discriminação impor às pessoas, de qualquer orientação sexual, e em face desta, as seguintes situações:
(Art 2. For the purposes of this law are acts of discrimination imposed on people of any sexual orientation, and in the face of this, the following situations:)

I - constrangimento ou exposição ao ridículo;
(I-embarrassment or exposure to the ridiculous;)

II - proibição de ingresso ou permanência;
(II - prohibition of entry or staying;)

III - atendimento diferenciado ou selecionado;
(III-differential service or selected;)

IV - preterimento quando da ocupação de instalações em hotéis ou similares, ou a imposição de pagamento de mais de uma unidade;
(IV-contempt when the occupation of facilities in hotels or similar, or the imposition of payment of more than one unit;)

V - preterimento em aluguel ou locação de qualquer natureza ou aquisição de imóveis para fins residenciais, comerciais ou de lazer;
(V-contempt in rental or lease of any kind or acquisition of buildings for residential, commercial and leisure;)

VI - preterimento em exame, seleção ou entrevista para ingresso em emprego;
(VI-contempt under review, selection or interview for entry into employment;)

VII - preterimento em relação a outros consumidores que se encontrem em idêntica situação;
(VII-contempt relative to other consumers who are in a similar situation;)

VIII - adoção de atos de coação, ameaça ou violência.
(VIII - adoption of acts of coercion, threat or violence.)

It's not a law against homophobia itself. It's a law against actions based on homophobia.

It's under vote.

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Edited by shroower (10/15/07 11:19 AM)


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Re: Homophobia illegal? [Re: Nignugnot]
    #7519132 - 10/15/07 11:53 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Have fun enforcing that shit


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