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Rye Grains
    #7517965 - 10/14/07 11:06 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

How much rye grains do I need for 35 qurt. jars?

Any good online vendors?


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Re: Rye Grains [Re: half9]
    #7517973 - 10/14/07 11:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

For 35 Qt. jars I believe you will need approximately 35 quarts of rye, however I have not run the math on this so my apologies if I am off.


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Re: Rye Grains [Re: urayasan]
    #7517982 - 10/14/07 11:10 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

35 quarts comes to how much weight in pounds?


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Re: Rye Grains [Re: urayasan]
    #7517986 - 10/14/07 11:11 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

35 cups- 9 qts or prolly about 12 lbs. :bongroll:


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Re: Rye Grains [Re: rodfarva]
    #7517991 - 10/14/07 11:12 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks!

Going to order some rye tomorrow and needed to know how much to buy.


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Re: Rye Grains [Re: half9]
    #7517995 - 10/14/07 11:13 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I would guess somewhere in the neighborhood of 40 pounds, but quarts are a unit of capacity and not weight, so it's hard to say for sure.


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Re: Rye Grains [Re: urayasan]
    #7518007 - 10/14/07 11:16 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Ah, but I was thinking wet weight in a jar, not dry, I am probably way off.


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Re: Rye Grains [Re: half9]
    #7518111 - 10/14/07 11:50 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I usually use 1 and 1/3rd cup dry per quart jar (214 grams). Wet weight of that would be aprox. 456 grams.
To reply to your first post, if you were going to a grocery store to buy dry rye berries to prep 35 quart spawn jars, you would need close to 16.5 pounds.


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Re: Rye Grains [Re: and0rr]
    #7518119 - 10/14/07 11:54 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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I usually use 1 and 1/3rd cup dry per quart jar (214 grams). Wet weight of that would be aprox. 456 grams.
To reply to your first post, if you were going to a grocery store to buy dry rye berries to prep 35 quart spawn jars, you would need a little bit more than 16.5 pounds.




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Re: Rye Grains [Re: urayasan]
    #7518124 - 10/14/07 11:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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For 35 Qt. jars I believe you will need approximately 35 quarts of rye, however I have not run the math on this so my apologies if I am off.




that is inaccurate. grains will grow in size when moistened to the correct level, and will take up about 50% more when wet. i prefer to take the ammount that i need, and moisten, then stick the rest in the fridge for later use. grains will keep in the fridge for at least a week with no major side effects (here at least). just dont forget them and try to use old shit!


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Re: Rye Grains [Re: The Crimson King]
    #7518140 - 10/15/07 12:02 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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urayasan said:
For 35 Qt. jars I believe you will need approximately 35 quarts of rye, however I have not run the math on this so my apologies if I am off.




that is inaccurate. grains will grow in size when moistened to the correct level, and will take up about 50% more when wet. i prefer to take the ammount that i need, and moisten, then stick the rest in the fridge for later use. grains will keep in the fridge for at least a week with no major side effects (here at least). just dont forget them and try to use old shit!




Sorry, I was just being a smart ass :smile:

But it is accurate insomuch as you do need 35 quarts (wet) to fill 35 quarts of capacity.


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Re: Rye Grains [Re: urayasan]
    #7518404 - 10/15/07 05:18 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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urayasan said:Sorry, I was just being a smart ass :smile:

But it is accurate insomuch as you do need 35 quarts (wet) to fill 35 quarts of capacity.




No, that's still inaccurate as well.  You only fill up a grain jar between 2/3 (66%) and 3/4 (75%) full, after the grains have been hydrated...so you're still way off base.

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For the original poster...  The grains are super cheap, shipping is the only thing that kills you.  You generally only need 1 cup of dry grains per 3/4 quart of hydrated grains.  When I'm hydrating them I always grab an extra cup's worth of grains for overages/spillage/etc. Running out of grains in the middle of a project is most costly than anything else so the 40 pounder is typically the way to go.  Make sure to store it in a bucket with a lid though or you'll soon find that the local pests have infested it.


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Re: Rye Grains [Re: mycocurious]
    #7518621 - 10/15/07 08:03 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

One cup of dry rye berries per quart jar. You must allow for room to shake later. This has all been covered in countless teks. Use the search feature please.
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Re: Rye Grains [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7520891 - 10/15/07 08:25 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Conversions are hard :frown:

like how many grhams of dry powder, such as baking powder are in a 1/4 tsp?


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Re: Rye Grains [Re: rodfarva]
    #7520915 - 10/15/07 08:39 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Conversions are hard :frown:

like how many grhams of dry powder, such as baking powder are in a 1/4 tsp?




the reason their hard is because you're trying to convert two different units of measure.  It's like asking how many ounces are in a year.


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Re: Rye Grains [Re: half9]
    #7521118 - 10/15/07 09:30 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

The answer you are looking for, IMO:

If you want room left to be able to shake them easily...

You want to soak 14 pounds exactly.

Optimally you'll find a local health food store to supply all your grain needs. :grin:

If you've got this many jars...you'll probably want to have more than 14 pounds of rye on hand. :smirk:


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Re: Rye Grains [Re: mycocurious]
    #7521946 - 10/16/07 01:37 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Conversions are hard :frown:

like how many grhams of dry powder, such as baking powder are in a 1/4 tsp?




the reason their hard is because you're trying to convert two different units of measure.  It's like asking how many ounces are in a year.



not quite my son...

If a tsp of baking powder weighs 4.6 grahms you can convert. It just takes some investigation, hence, that shit is hard. :laugh:


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Re: Rye Grains [Re: rodfarva]
    #7522163 - 10/16/07 06:35 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

LOL!  When did this become so hard.  I kind of guestimate!  12 quart jars = 12 cups of grain.  Go through the procedures to hydrate and use only what you have to use and throw the rest away.  It's cheap stuff!  Hell, sometimes I don't even measure!  Hydrate a certain amount and just fill jars 2/3 full.  Easy, cheesy, Japaneasy. :lol:


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Re: Rye Grains [Re: The shroomy 1]
    #7522201 - 10/16/07 07:09 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I was just backing up dude who had no idea apparently what a dry qt or cup of rye weighed. I should say this information is a PITA to come by. If i went to the health food store and asked for 30 cups of rye i would get a blank expression out of the store clerk, a stupid question about how many cups i think would fit in a plastic bag, then she would try to sell me vitamins. :banghead:


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Re: Rye Grains [Re: rodfarva]
    #7526451 - 10/17/07 01:53 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

One cup per quart jar results in ridiculously underfilled jars, in my experience. I tried that, and there was still a TON of room left in the jars - way more than is needed to shake them about.

Hydrating the grain beforehand and then filling the jars about 75%-80% full works for me. Otherwise you end up with jars that have a lot of wasted space, though that's still not as bad as over-filled jars tat can't be shaken.

Experiment a bit. RR's formula will certainly work, but it wasn't optimal, for me. I'd start with what he said then adjust it to suit your exact methods and particular materials. Note: I've tried rye, but wheat is my standard, due to superior local availability.


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Re: Rye Grains [Re: Mepher]
    #7526453 - 10/17/07 01:55 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

less rye in the jar = faster colonization = Less time for contaimination. IMO


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Re: Rye Grains [Re: Mepher]
    #7526475 - 10/17/07 02:06 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Hydrating the grain beforehand and then filling the jars about 75%-80% full works for me. Otherwise you end up with jars that have a lot of wasted space, though that's still not as bad as over-filled jars tat can't be shaken.




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Re: Rye Grains [Re: The shroomy 1]
    #7526536 - 10/17/07 02:33 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Im ammature at best, but i have a side by side compairison going right now with rye. One cup in one jar and 80% in another. The smaller ammount looks white and fluffy, the large ammount is still brown.

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Re: Rye Grains [Re: rodfarva]
    #7529998 - 10/18/07 03:17 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Shake after colonization begins to take off, but not at the first sign, then maybe again once it is past 50% or more. You want to wait until the myc begins to establish itself -- too early and it is like starting over again. Shake vigorously to break up any big clumps and get myc nearer to any uncolonized grains.

Less grain = faster colonization, but less grain = less substrate. Rye should colonize relatively quickly anyway, so I'd rather fill the jars more and wait a few more days rather than use a ton of jars. You could use 100 half full half-pint jars for colonization in four days, but do you really want to get half a cup of colonized substrate per jar? I'll go bigger and wait 10-14 days for jars to finish, each yielding close to a quart of sub.


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Re: Rye Grains [Re: Mepher]
    #7530010 - 10/18/07 03:29 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

You can get 25lbs for $10.95 Here


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Re: Rye Grains [Re: Mepher]
    #7530146 - 10/18/07 05:45 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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One cup per quart jar results in ridiculously underfilled jars, in my experience. I tried that, and there was still a TON of room left in the jars - way more than is needed to shake them about.




I typically do nine jars at a time and oddly enough, after my rye berries have been soaked, boiled and otherwise pre-hydrated it seems to take between 8.75-9.50 cups of dry rye berries to fill up all nine jars to the 66-80% range.


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Re: Rye Grains [Re: mycocurious]
    #7530243 - 10/18/07 06:35 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I wish people would quit saying smaller jars and/or less rye grain in the jars makes them colonize faster. It does not.
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    #7530501 - 10/18/07 09:01 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

sorry for saying the results of my anecdotal experiment.


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Re: Rye Grains [Re: rodfarva]
    #7531130 - 10/18/07 12:43 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I'm sorry that you are being an emo kid,
and that I'm contributing to getting this thread loxxored.

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