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Re: Racism on The Shroomery. [Re: Phoshaman]
#7519568 - 10/15/07 01:48 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Phoshaman: was it the showering thread that pushed you over the edge?
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new2grow said: well i think its a black thing, as well as being a personal thing. I think that blacks have a predisposition to not bathing, because it runs in the family, many were brought up this way.
I've talked to some mixed friends and they seemed passionate about their disgust towards their black relatives who opt out of bathing for the majority of the week.
I read in disbelief while that guy went on and on about how only black people don't shower enough! I've met my fair share of white people who don't shower enough and black people who shower 3 times a day.
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Re: Racism on The Shroomery. [Re: Phoshaman]
#7519582 - 10/15/07 01:51 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Racism on The Shroomery. [Re: Cowgold]
#7519639 - 10/15/07 02:10 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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yea, i agree that race has its place in humor....like that joke someone said earlier about tires not singing when you put chains on em, that was quite funny, but obviously joking around about it is one thing, but its not always so funny... like my friend in the black fraternity, he always nigger lips the blunt when we smoke, so i tell him to quit nigger lippin it, and whenever i open a bottle of ibuprofen or some such around him i make him pick out that annoying cotton ball they stick on top of the pills for me, but it would be another thing completely if i went around and introduced him to people as my big lipped cotton pickin nigger friend....he wouldnt appreciate that much
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Re: Racism on The Shroomery. [Re: Phoshaman]
#7519650 - 10/15/07 02:14 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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You would think with the 15 moderators that The Pub has there wouldn't be any problems with stuff like this, but apparently not.
There are moderators in the Pub?
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Re: Racism on The Shroomery. [Re: boomer q]
#7519747 - 10/15/07 02:37 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't agree with the idea that it should be everyone's agenda to end racism. That kind of agenda isn't going to end anything. Affirmative action, anyone?
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Re: Racism on The Shroomery. [Re: jewunit]
#7519907 - 10/15/07 03:15 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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What he means to say is that it would be nice if everybody gave a shit.
But, they don't 
Thats a bitter pill to swallow, as the truth often is.
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Re: Racism on The Shroomery. [Re: Asante]
#7520006 - 10/15/07 03:39 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I give a shit in my job, my politics, my spending, my family and most of my life. I do not give a shit about coming to the shroomery.orgy spending time at the pub and otd and using names like nigger, jew, gook, idiot, fucker, cracker, fag or any of the other 7 deadly swear words that piss off some folks. Seeing one 'racist' or derogatory post by a member, taking it out of context and judging them, seems to me, um I don't know a bit right-wing?
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Re: Racism on The Shroomery. [Re: Asante]
#7520081 - 10/15/07 04:01 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm pretty sure I know what he means, but I don't agree with it. Apathy would be more effective. You can't acknowledge people's differences and expect everyone to be okay with it. Things like black history month and this new Latino heritage month or whatever it was that I had never heard of before hurt more than they help.
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Re: Racism on The Shroomery. [Re: jewunit]
#7520195 - 10/15/07 04:35 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Don't you think you can have freedom of speech without allowing name calling, racial slurs, harrassment, derogatory images, and malicious personal attacks?
I sure think so. Having some basic moral guidelines and rules of tact will not impinge on freedom of speech.
Do something about it. Keeping a healthy environment that promotes love and reason is more important than letting people express every last filthy comment and expression from their corrupt minds that degrades this website, and their behaviour will be recognized as acceptable and spead to others.
And it's never right to joke about racism. Just keep it up and one day someone will lose it and track you down and then you'll regret everything you said.Maybe they'll be jokin about your life while they put a bullet in your head, fool.
Don't you think it's contradictive to allow freedom of speech from all sides and then typify this website as something "counterculture" as if it somehow is intrinsically inseperable from mushrooms? It just makes me wonder, how open minded and tolerant you are anyway, and what do you stand for? Do you real care about reaching others with the truth that mushrooms are safe? Then why arn't you willing to humble yourselfs some and condecend to others to reach them? Self segragation.
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Don't you think it's contradictive (pretty sure that's not a word) to think you can allow free speech but not allow what you deem as derogatory words? I mean, seriously, if someone has racist beliefs, then why shouldn't they be allowed to voice their racist beliefs? Preventing someone from saying them isn't going to prevent someone from thinking them, after all.
I don't know if your post was directed to me, because it doesn't really apply to anything I've said, but I really don't see how what you're saying makes any sense at all. I also don't get what your last paragraph is trying to get across, please elaborate.
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Re: Racism on The Shroomery. [Re: jewunit]
#7520241 - 10/15/07 05:03 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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The thing about that n word that is very interesting to me is that nowadays white people call themselves the word. I remember once when I was walking out the grocery store and these two white guys greeted each other saying 'What's up my nigga' My white friends have said that word around me plenty of times. I think it's all about context really. I'm from Mississippi and I'm the only black person I know that doesn't use the word because I can think of other words to say...but everyone has the right to say what they want. Freedom of Speech. Is it right for rappers to say the word continuously in their music and their white fans to not say it when they're singing the song?
A word is a word. I'm always telling my best friend (who's black) not to call me that but he does it anyway. I know my white friends don't mean anything by it when they say it because they're hanging out with me and after seeing white people calling each other the word I think the word is slowly changing. As time goes by the meaning of certain words can change. I mean gay for instance, back in the day people would say "I'm so very gay today" and nowadays you say that and you're being pulled into church and having holy water tossed on you. I think because of music and because times are changing the 'n' word has just become more accepted.
Of course there's the argument "It's nigga, not nigger" thing which opens a whole different can of worms. Racism is still alive but am I gonna let a word from someone I don't know...used over the internet...mess up my day? No! Now if someone came up to me that I didn't know and used it in a rather rude way then that's totally different.
I think the important thing is to recognize when someone is just joking around and/or being stupid. The tire joke...I'll admit...made me chuckle and I've heard PLENTY of racist jokes (From a Mexican actually) I'm fairly new to this forum and the majority of people here, as far as I can tell, are really cool. I'm not going to write off a forum full of great people just because of a few idiots.
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Re: Racism on The Shroomery. [Re: Phoshaman]
#7520277 - 10/15/07 05:24 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Black people use the word nigger in just about every third word. To forbid people the right to say that word just because the color of their skin seems a bit, well, racist don't you think? You can't just say nigger so many times in such a short song and then complain that people are saying it.
Instead of being displeased of the use of the word nigger, you could try being displeased with hateful individuals instead.
Note: Stereotypes will always be around a plenty regardless of your race as long as enough people loosely fall into them.
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Re: Racism on The Shroomery. [Re: AlCapwn]
#7520310 - 10/15/07 05:32 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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This thread is becoming quite a nigger.
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Re: Racism on The Shroomery. [Re: The_Ghost]
#7520318 - 10/15/07 05:33 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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yeah it should be killed
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Re: Racism on The Shroomery. [Re: pong]
#7520653 - 10/15/07 06:46 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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We should all go to MR & P and pray to my invisible friend named jebus about cleansing our karma so this filthy chink jokes don't catch up to us.
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Re: Racism on The Shroomery. [Re: AlCapwn]
#7520778 - 10/15/07 07:19 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Black people use the word nigger in just about every third word.
Umm, no?
Thats quite a generalization.
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Re: Racism on The Shroomery. [Re: Adom]
#7521151 - 10/15/07 09:36 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Don't you think it's contradictive (pretty sure that's not a word) to think you can allow free speech but not allow what you deem as derogatory words?
It's not merely derogatory words. It's also acts of blatant disrespect and just plain out ignorant hatred for other human beings. Like this:

and this:

and this:

and this:

and this:
"nigger manual"
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7171275#7171275
and this:
"nigger jokes:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7188986#7188986
and this:
"curb stomp a nigger and make the world a better place:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6900497#6900497
And on and on and on.
I guess as long as people allow it, people will keep doing it because they are so morally corrupt perhaps noone will convince them they are wrong.Perhaps Noone will convince them that they should not make fun of the slavery that black people were put through, or make fun of them as if they are an inferior breed of human. Irregardless of their culture or how much work they need. How does this help anything? This isn't just an attack on black people, this is an attack on all humanity.
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I mean, seriously, if someone has racist beliefs, then why shouldn't they be allowed to voice their racist beliefs? Preventing someone from saying them isn't going to prevent someone from thinking them, after all.
This is not the general public. This is a privately owned website. And whatever goes on here both the supporters and the mods and the adminstrators are accountable for. And I have to say really they're the ones accountable, for allowing this to go on. There is no reason why people cannot voice their opinion without using such means as I pointed out earlier. If they're so filled with hatred and ignorance that they cannot express their views without using such tactics then they should get off this site, unless this site promoted hatred and ignorance.
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I don't know if your post was directed to me, because it doesn't really apply to anything I've said, but I really don't see how what you're saying makes any sense at all. I also don't get what your last paragraph is trying to get across, please elaborate.
I'm sorry what I said doesn't make sense to you, I think it was pretty plain and clear.
Here's part of what I was trying to say in my last paragraph.
Total freedom of speech is not a natural quality of a private enterprise. freedom of speech is a quality of a governing body that allows freedom to dissent, like America is supposedly. But in this situation, the government cannot be intrinsically biased itself. That would contradict the fundamental principles of such a governemnt and it's freedoms. (yes this is another contradiction of democracy but that's beside the point)
There are certain things, even on this website that simply cannot be said. But for some reason racism, etc. are not of those.
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So basically what you're telling me is you want to restrict natural rights?
By the way, the majority of the shit you posted was humorous, and a great way to actually combat racism if people weren't so uppity/defensive.
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Re: Racism on The Shroomery. [Re: Mocha Bear]
#7521208 - 10/15/07 09:47 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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tclsc03 said: The thing about that n word that is very interesting to me is that nowadays white people call themselves the word. I remember once when I was walking out the grocery store and these two white guys greeted each other saying 'What's up my nigga' My white friends have said that word around me plenty of times. I think it's all about context really. I'm from Mississippi and I'm the only black person I know that doesn't use the word because I can think of other words to say...but everyone has the right to say what they want. Freedom of Speech. Is it right for rappers to say the word continuously in their music and their white fans to not say it when they're singing the song?
A word is a word. I'm always telling my best friend (who's black) not to call me that but he does it anyway. I know my white friends don't mean anything by it when they say it because they're hanging out with me and after seeing white people calling each other the word I think the word is slowly changing. As time goes by the meaning of certain words can change. I mean gay for instance, back in the day people would say "I'm so very gay today" and nowadays you say that and you're being pulled into church and having holy water tossed on you. I think because of music and because times are changing the 'n' word has just become more accepted.
Of course there's the argument "It's nigga, not nigger" thing which opens a whole different can of worms. Racism is still alive but am I gonna let a word from someone I don't know...used over the internet...mess up my day? No! Now if someone came up to me that I didn't know and used it in a rather rude way then that's totally different.
I think the important thing is to recognize when someone is just joking around and/or being stupid. The tire joke...I'll admit...made me chuckle and I've heard PLENTY of racist jokes (From a Mexican actually) I'm fairly new to this forum and the majority of people here, as far as I can tell, are really cool. I'm not going to write off a forum full of great people just because of a few idiots.
great post. except for the last sentence.
it seems that even the most logical minded person forgets about the idea of freedom of speech when they go on some "saying nigger = racist" rant. wouldnt it be considered stereotyping if you hate someone because you heard them use the word "nigger"? as in "all people who use the word nigger are ignorant assholes.... especially if they arent black".
seriously, it is such a short-sighted and ill-conceived "concept" to rally against racism. here are a few things to think about: 1) the concept of racial pride is in fact, racism. I think many of the "anti-racists" have been deluded by word-hype and spin. think about the pictures that flash in your head when you read the phrases "white pride" and the song title "say it loud, im black and Im proud". One brings to mind a hooded or skinhead figure while the other brings to mind a smiling, sweating james brown. now what changed? what is the difference? by having racial pride, you have to believe that your race is in someway better, or atleast has overcome the obstacles of diversity, and is ultimately a more cohesive or has a more dignified quality that can be applied to the entire race. 2) it is a fairly immature , hip thing to be "anti-racist". there is some feeling of self-righteousness, like some instilled self-applied goodness, when you start reprimanding someone for their choice of words.... like it proves to everyone and yourself that you are in fact, not a racist.... when ultimately, everyone is. 3) racism is a good thing. first let me give you the two definitions that webster has.
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1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race 2 : racial prejudice or discrimination
People like to believe that racism only means things that are bad. It isnt racist to say that all black guys have huge cocks, but it is racist (some think) to say all black people abuse welfare. It isnt racist to say that asians are good at math, but it is racist to say they are bad drivers. Just like different breeds of dogs have different characteristics (physically and mentally), so do human beings.... and just like these dogs, we can choose to overcome these genetic boundaries, or we can choose to relish in them and become better at our "god-given talents". I think to try and act like there are no genetic differences along racial lines is just being ignorant. Would you disagree that black people generally make better athletes than white people? would you disagree that jewish people handle their money better than black people? it is like some of you are trapped in the rules set forth by preschool, where there are no losers, and there are no scores to games, and if you cant say anything nice, then dont say it at all. well, that isnt the way life works, nor is that the optimal way for life and society to work. To deny the racist in yourself, is to deny cultural differences. For instance, French people hate it when americans come over and destroy their language with harsh gutteral tones. and we can say "well fuck those faggoty french bastards... all we were trying to do is assimilate and give respect to their culture".... and the french can say "fuck them, we dont want them to try and assimilate, we want them to be american tourists - which is what they are, and maybe act like jerry". It is merely a cultural misunderstanding. This is all racism is - cultural awkwardness and misunderstanding. Some might be in a movie theater and a group of racous negro's are being loud and rather annoying, and those some might think "dont these fucking niggers have any decency?"..... then you shhh them, and they think "what is this uppity honky's problem? why do they think they can tell me what to do, because they are white"... basically it is just the way we were raised within our cultural boundaries. Being racist is like agreeing to disagree... because with so many layers of cultural conditioning, nothing is going to be resolved quickly, nor are you going to have much time to talk things through. so basically, when someone acts like a nigger, I think "what a filthy nigger", just like when some white person acts like an asshole/honky/cracker they think whatever in their own head.
4) people are racist for a reason. Past experiences made them that way... whatever you want to call it, a personal flaw they need to overcome, get over the past...etc... well, that is the way it is. It isnt like someone wakes up one day and says "man you know, niggers really piss me off".
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