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Some Ron Paul
    #7517440 - 10/14/07 08:51 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Ron Paul Stings Hillary Clinton on Iraq War, Warns of Draft

Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul speaking at the Robert Taft Club in Arlington VA Thursday directed some of his firepower at his Democratic rival Hillary Clinton.

Sounding like a candidate that can win his party’s nomination, Paul said, “She voted for the war now she says she can’t get the troops out until 2013 and she won’t rule out a military first strike against Iran.”

Although his barb toward Clinton was in response to a question asked from the audience Paul’s challenge to Hillary Clinton is another sign of the candidate asserting himself in the top tier of Republican candidates.

Paul now stands fourth in the money race behind Giuliani, Romney, and Thompson. Paul’s campaign message also seems to be more in line with party principles and rank and file primary voters than the other front runners.

Paul spoke about foreign policy, the Constitution, and protecting civil liberties. He also spoke about the Federal Reserve.

They’ve “transferred illegally the power and responsibility of congress to the president. The real debate should have occurred before the war.” He said, “They’ve forgotten the constitution. They do not follow any principled, moral, or constitutional position”.

Paul talked about his warnings back in 2002 and although he didn’t support the war he had said, “If you want to go to war you should go to war properly. Declare it, win it, and get it over with”.

Paul had voted against the Iraq war while Hillary Clinton voted for it. Paul’s antiwar stance is the silver bullet that his supporters believe will cripple Hillary Clinton in a general election.

“Change foreign policy, reduce spending, give us a stronger defense.” Paul then pointed out that his “campaign gets more money from people in the military than all the other Republican campaigns put together. We need to “change our foreign policy and follow the law”. We need a peaceful foreign policy and have to respect liberty”

Ron Paul said our foreign policy encouraged nations to go nuclear, “If they threaten to get a nuke we bomb them, once they get one, we subsidize them”.

Paul warned “there’s a lot of behind the scene agitation for reviving the draft”. Ron Paul then hammered Selective Service, “Selective Service is the government saying it owns a group of people”. His harshest words, “The military draft of young people is a sign of a totalitarian government” Paul said.

“We financed each and every war through Federal Reserve financing”

Ron Paul challenged the Federal Reserves role in war, “Secretive financial scheme such as the Federal Reserve used to finance the military industrial complex.” He warned that it is costing “trillion dollars to maintain empire. Eventually empire catches up, we can not maintain empire”.

He explained why people on Wall Street don’t see a recession coming, “People in the military industrial complex and people in the medical industrial complex get the counterfeit money first”

This is causing “run away inflation and the destruction of currency”. Warning of an economic down turn, “I believe we are in early stages of a recession”

Paul said that he wouldn’t just abruptly change the Federal Reserve System. He said he’d “legalize competing currencies in gold and silver, that can be done in a very non disruptive way”.

The Federal Reserve was created in 1913 creating what some feel is a banking monopoly with the police power of the government to back it up.

“We’re taxed to blow up the bridges in Iraq, now we’re taxed to rebuild the bridges while ours are falling down”.

Speaking of what he perceives as an emerging police state, Paul said, “Greatest threat to us today is internally not externally. The domestic threat is gigantic”

Regarding the income tax he joked about people asking him, “What are you going to replace it with”? He replied “Nothing”!

Here too Paul said that he’d have compassion for people dependent on the system and wouldn’t be throwing people out in the street. He said that there’d be a gradual process of reducing government. He also said that reducing the cost of empire would free up money for domestic issues.

“We can always improve our past, we can improve ourselves. Central economic planning does not work Empty promises don’t work.” Every individual has this right to liberty.”

Sounding like a general election candidate Paul said, “Our crowds are diverse. Freedom unites. It’s not right wing or left wing it’s the humanitarian thing”.

“These ideas are reviving. People have a right to their life and their liberty”.

“The message is not delivered by the greatest orator but it is the greatest message ever”.
“It’s exciting what’s going on. The young people are so excited. I promise them nothing but freedom, our right to our life, our right to liberty.”

The crowds that attend his campaign rallies seem to indicate that the candidate’s message of peace, freedom and prosperity seems to be resonating and uniting people, not only in the Republican Party, but across the political spectrum.


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Re: Some Ron Paul [Re: Disco Cat]
    #7518137 - 10/15/07 12:01 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for posting that. It's nice to see how he is being taken more as a serious candidate with time. He deserves more articles like that one.

This one is hot off the press as of 10 minutes ago-enjoy



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Re: Some Ron Paul [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #7518450 - 10/15/07 06:00 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I'm starting to think that my mocking of those who voted for him in my poll was jumping the gun.

Ironic ain't it.. that almost the entire shroomery seems to be swaying towards a "republican' :smile:


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Re: Some Ron Paul [Re: BrAiN]
    #7518460 - 10/15/07 06:05 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Now here's the REAL question/challenge.

Democrats are known for trying to sabotage the campaigns of anyone else in a different party who might suck votes away from them (just look at John Kerry waging his war against Ralph Nader in the last election).

If Ron Paul got the republican nomination, he would SURELY suck away millions of votes from Democrats. Now.. do you guys think the Democrats are going to actually play fair (not me) with their Holier-Than-Thou attitudes (quote from Bill Clinton 'I'm a democrat because I like to think' - translation 'I'm special because I label myself a Democrat'), or do you think they'll find some way to RUIN Ron Paul's campaign so he doesn't take away the election from them next year?

My bet is on the latter if the democrats actually start to see Ron Paul's chances at getting any better.


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Re: Some Ron Paul [Re: BrAiN]
    #7518465 - 10/15/07 06:09 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

> I'm starting to think that my mocking of those who voted for him in my poll was jumping the gun.

It is going to be an interesting race... I think a lot of professional politic types are underestimating the draw that Paul has with a traditionally apathetic demographic. The big question mark is still there; will these people backup their support and actually get out and vote? If so, the race is going to become very fun to watch.


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Re: Some Ron Paul [Re: Seuss]
    #7518470 - 10/15/07 06:13 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

If he makes it past the primaries I'm SURE people will go out and vote for him. I was going to boycott the election over having nothing but the usual turd-sandwich-vs-giant-douche election.. but if he gets the nod I'll get off my ass and vote for him

But there's the problem. WILL he get the republican nomination? I'm not sure how primaries work. Do normal citizens actually vote for who they want to represent their party? If so, Ron Paul might be screwed. If not, the campaign-strategists in the republican partry are likely to give more sway to Paul seeing as how he's probably the most capable of taking down the Democrats in the general election.


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Re: Some Ron Paul [Re: BrAiN]
    #7518478 - 10/15/07 06:18 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

> Do normal citizens actually vote for who they want to represent their party?

Yes; if you are registered to a party, then you can vote in that parties primary to decide who is going to run as the candidate for that party. I'm not 100% certain if the rules are the same everywhere or differ from state to state, but that is how it worked where I used to live.

Edit: There are also deadlines for registration to vote in the primary. A few have already passed for the states with early primaries. If you want to support Paul in the primary, you need to register to vote, and register as a Republican, and then vote in the republican primary election in your state. Time is working against you. Also, just because you register with a party does not mean that you have to vote for that party in the general election. Don't let the stigma of being a "registered republican" stop you, please.


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Re: Some Ron Paul [Re: Seuss]
    #7518482 - 10/15/07 06:24 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

What is the reason for having to register to a party? Why not just make your decision at the voting booth?


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Re: Some Ron Paul [Re: Arp]
    #7518485 - 10/15/07 06:27 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

That's a good question.

To be honest, I registered Libertarian just to avoid the stigma of being labeled a Democrat or a Republican. I don't really vote in primaries so I can't really think of a good reason for me to registrer with a party.


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Re: Some Ron Paul [Re: Arp]
    #7518486 - 10/15/07 06:30 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

> What is the reason for having to register to a party?

Imagine if all the republicans voted in the democrat primary for the democrat candidate they thought was least likely to win. The purpose is to try and keep a fair playing field.

You can always change your party affiliation back to Libertarian; but if you want to support Paul in the primary, you have to register as a republican... and the deadlines for the change is fast approaching (and in some cases already past).


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Re: Some Ron Paul [Re: Seuss]
    #7518489 - 10/15/07 06:33 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Seuss said:

Imagine if all the republicans voted in the democrat primary for the democrat candidate they thought was least likely to win. The purpose is to try and keep a fair playing field.




Yea... instead people like John Kerry are forced to resort to noble causes such as spending millions of dollars to keep people like Nader off of the Ballot because they're afraid of giving people choices.


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Re: Some Ron Paul [Re: Seuss]
    #7518620 - 10/15/07 08:03 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

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> What is the reason for having to register to a party?

Imagine if all the republicans voted in the democrat primary for the democrat candidate they thought was least likely to win. The purpose is to try and keep a fair playing field.

You can always change your party affiliation back to Libertarian; but if you want to support Paul in the primary, you have to register as a republican... and the deadlines for the change is fast approaching (and in some cases already past).




I understand the reasoning, and it is probably somewhat effective, but it is dumb. While the effort of changing registration will surely stop most would-be saboteurs, I think you should be able to vote for whoever you want. Registered as an independant, its stupid to be forced to drive in to town just to change registration.


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Re: Some Ron Paul [Re: BrAiN]
    #7518635 - 10/15/07 08:11 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

He's a great candidate, and would have my vote, but unfortunately the American public is too goddamn stupid so he will never win.


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Re: Some Ron Paul [Re: Disco Cat]
    #7518942 - 10/15/07 10:53 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

why does every Ron Paul video have to have some stupid fucking song playing
in the background.

Enough with the music tracks you stupid hippies.


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Re: Some Ron Paul [Re: johnm214]
    #7519016 - 10/15/07 11:25 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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I understand the reasoning, and it is probably somewhat effective, but it is dumb. While the effort of changing registration will surely stop most would-be saboteurs, I think you should be able to vote for whoever you want.




So you essentially have no understanding of how a party system works? The party decides which candidate they wish to put forward as their candidate, and if you aren't registered as a member of that party, then you don't vote for who the party wishes to put forward. By all means, vote for whoever you wish to vote for in the general election.


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Re: Some Ron Paul [Re: BrAiN]
    #7519028 - 10/15/07 11:27 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

http://www.ronpaulnation.com/register/

The above link will tell you if your state is an open or closed primary and, if you have to re-register, you may not, what the dead line is for your state. Some have already passed.

To the last poster that said, " he will not win", can you also please give me the numbers for Wednesday nights Florida lottery, since you can see into the future so well. Thanks! :cool:

They also said the same about Carter and Regan and they were wrong. There is still a lot of time for tides to shift and turn and so far.

Seuss, the rest of America may remain apathetic about going out to vote in the primaries ( gets around a 19% turn out) Paul supporters will be there. they make sure he wins every on line poll, and to the best they have been able to , get out and vote in local straw polls. he won two more this weekend. One was by a landslide, where Romney and Hunter came to speak. Paul wasn't even there. he'd win them all if you didn't have to buy tickets to vote in them.

The local news shamelessly had the headline, Romney Looses Straw poll, not Paul Wins Straw Poll.

Anyway, many Paul supporters do not want to buy the tickets which go to help the local GOP hosting the event. They'd rather spend the money on RP campaign materials or send it to him. That's the only reason why he hasn't come in first where he hasn't.

Look at what the media won't show you about his straw poll wins-

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/straw-poll-results/

For example, that recent Washington GOP dinner fund raiser straw poll where he came in 4th, the dinner tickets were $1,000.


Speaking of what the media doesn't want us to know- He was winning the internet MS NBC straw poll after the last debate by 80%, when MSNBC took it down 2 hours later.

No worries about Paul supporters getting out to vote in the Primaries, where the booths are close to home and the voting is free. He will sweep them come the time if they are legitimate. Many Paul supporters and other "fair election" groups, are working hard to do all they can to prevent rigged elections. That is my only concern.  Many others are becoming delegates to help him get the nomination.

Exciting race indeed!


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Re: Some Ron Paul [Re: johnm214]
    #7519077 - 10/15/07 11:37 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

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its stupid to be forced to drive in to town just to change registration.




You can re-register on line. Don't even have to leave your chair. Do it now Paul supporters if your state requires you too. You can always easily switch back to what you were after your states primary.

http://www.workingassets.com/registertovote/?source=govote


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Re: Some Ron Paul [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #7519107 - 10/15/07 11:48 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

brilliant link!

thank you.


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Re: Some Ron Paul [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #7519109 - 10/15/07 11:48 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

> Seuss, the rest of America may remain apathetic about going out to vote in the primaries ( gets around a 19% turn out), [but] Paul supporters will be there.

I hope you are correct. I honestly think if Paul can win the primary, then he will win the entire thing regardless of who wins the other side. However, if he doesn't win the primary, then I suspect the Bush/Clinton dynasty will continue for another decacde.


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Re: Some Ron Paul [Re: Seuss]
    #7519517 - 10/15/07 01:36 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Two years ago... who would have thought Hilary would stand a chance?

Speaking of which... Is there ANYONE here who plans on voting for Hilary? Just out of curiosity. And don't worry, I'm not trying to start a flame war. I just REALLY want to know why (seriously)


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