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Shrooms to be illegal in the Netherlands
    #7514696 - 10/14/07 03:38 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Friday the Dutch health and justice ministers agreed to ban shrooms. This is truly a sad day for our country. I have always been proud of the fact that I lived in the one country where you could just walk into a coffee-shop or smart-shop and buy shrooms, weed and hash. I always had the hope that our country would one day lead the way to legalization of all drugs, but now I am not so sure anymore.

The reason for this ban is the increased number of incidents with shrooms this year. We have had a suicide, some injuries and damage to property. All by tourists who came to Amsterdam and took drugs irresponsibly. Usually a combination of drugs was taken and shrooms got the blame.

It will take a few months at least before this ban will be in place so at least Dutch shroomers can stock up on dried shrooms, but that's not the point really. You will always be able to get shrooms illegally, or grow them your self. In my mind it is immoral for a government to tell me what I cannot do to my own body and mind!! It's similar to laws forbidding homosexuality.


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Re: Shrooms to be illegal in the Netherlands [Re: donvliet]
    #7514698 - 10/14/07 03:41 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Hopefully there will be lots of protests and they will have to repeal it.


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Re: Shrooms to be illegal in the Netherlands [Re: DimensionX]
    #7514732 - 10/14/07 04:52 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Do you know what changes to the law are being made in relation to growing of shrooms and the sale of cultures/spores/related equipment?

Also I'm not aware of Dutch legislative procedures but is the Juctice Minister able to make this change by decree or does he need to get a vote in the legislature to change the law? If so what are the chances of it failing?

Hope you manage to get this ban cancelled before it takes effect.


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Re: Shrooms to be illegal in the Netherlands [Re: BlueDruid]
    #7514871 - 10/14/07 06:47 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Shrooms to be illegal in the Netherlands [Re: peaceandlove]
    #7515111 - 10/14/07 09:21 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

There will be MANY protests...don't worry, I can't see this lasting more then 6 months. Shrooms bring in a massive profit, and they will be missing the profit soon enough...


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Re: Shrooms to be illegal in the Netherlands [Re: ThePyschonaut52]
    #7515113 - 10/14/07 09:23 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

the parliament will have to vote on this before they can ban shrooms, but they already had a poll that says parliament will approve.


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Re: Shrooms to be illegal in the Netherlands [Re: donvliet]
    #7515618 - 10/14/07 12:28 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

*Sigh*, first england, now this! :mad:


Is this is the insidious christian right spreading their canker again do you think?

I can't believe recreational/religous drug use gets attacked so irrationally, and consistantly, its like banging your head against a brick wall. For your whole life.

Very sad, and one of the few things that invariably makes me feel outraged. Grrr.

West/Northern Europe is giving the finger to their ancestors and thousands of years of culture by doing this.


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Re: Shrooms to be illegal in the Netherlands [Re: pixeljuice]
    #7515654 - 10/14/07 12:39 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

just grow your own.


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Re: Shrooms to be illegal in the Netherlands [Re: ThePyschonaut52]
    #7515698 - 10/14/07 12:51 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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just grow your own.



Thats not the point. I dont think anyone wants to be shafted by the state when they've done nothing (morally/socially) wrong.

I'm going to continue doing what I believe in whatever whims the law takes (loved ones permitting).  :pirate:


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Re: Shrooms to be illegal in the Netherlands [Re: pixeljuice]
    #7516102 - 10/14/07 02:50 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

u guys dont see the global repercussions
ppl use australia as an example to get salvia banned
they say look aus banned salvia there must be something wrong with it
trust me drug policies rub off on other countries REAL ez
this is a slippery slope watch out
the UK banned shrooms in 2005 now this
Japan even more recently banned shrooms
its a fucking domino effect


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Re: Shrooms to be illegal in the Netherlands [Re: donvliet]
    #7516209 - 10/14/07 03:23 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Amsterdam is heading towards being just "another city" whipped by the system, this is only the first step. The mecca of drug culture is going to be tied up with red tape and slain. No pro-choice in the free world, sad. :sad:

Hopefully they will keep things the way they are, but I'm sure the rest of the drug-free world has something to do with this(perhaps they are pressuring the Netherlands?)


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Re: Shrooms to be illegal in the Netherlands [Re: Robo]
    #7516246 - 10/14/07 03:31 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

There sure is pressure from the US (and other countries like France) on the Dutch government to ban shrooms and weed also.

And we sadly have a government who would suck Bush's dick if he wanted to.

I'll just start growing my own shrooms now. I'll still be able to shroom. Also, I already have a friend who can get some LSD instead.

The thing is that it's a step backwards to getting psychedelics to be accepted by the general public.


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Re: Shrooms to be illegal in the Netherlands [Re: Floop]
    #7516273 - 10/14/07 03:39 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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There sure is pressure from the US (and other countries like France) on the Dutch government to ban shrooms and weed also.



Fuck them. Fuck them all. They can run their countries the way they want, but to try and pressure another country to destroy the last free frontier of drug culture is wrong. I always saw Amsterdam as a society years beyond it's time, and now they are trying to drag it down to the level of tyranny that the rest of the world employs? Very sad :sad:


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Re: Shrooms to be illegal in the Netherlands [Re: Robo]
    #7516401 - 10/14/07 04:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Isn't it awesome that two of the most destructive and addictive substances on the planet, alcohol and tobbaco, can be purchased LEGALLY at any place within walking distance, and non-addictive tools for mythical exploration such as shrooms are classified right along side of heroin by these fucks. Sickening.


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Re: Shrooms to be illegal in the Netherlands [Re: EthericOctopuss]
    #7516603 - 10/14/07 04:54 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Isn't it awesome that two of the most destructive and addictive substances on the planet, alcohol and tobbaco, can be purchased LEGALLY at any place within walking distance, and non-addictive tools for mythical exploration such as shrooms are classified right along side of heroin by these fucks. Sickening.




couldnt have said it better myself :yinyang:


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Re: Shrooms to be illegal in the Netherlands [Re: ZShroom]
    #7516744 - 10/14/07 05:30 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

The article I read said that the sale of mushrooms would be outlawed not the possession of them.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,301381,00.html

Now resist the urge to freak out, although the link is to Fox News the story comes from the Associated Press.


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Re: Shrooms to be illegal in the Netherlands [Re: AtrioVent]
    #7516760 - 10/14/07 05:33 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

hopefully the law is like "you can't buy them" but anything else is aiight so how it works is you "donate" to the store and they give them to you as a gift.


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Re: Shrooms to be illegal in the Netherlands [Re: learningtofly]
    #7516807 - 10/14/07 05:43 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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hopefully the law is like "you can't buy them" but anything else is aiight so how it works is you "donate" to the store and they give them to you as a gift.




that would still be distribution.


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Re: Shrooms to be illegal in the Netherlands [Re: THEBats]
    #7516872 - 10/14/07 05:58 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

but it isn't buying, just explicitly state that only the sale isn't allowed.


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Re: Shrooms to be illegal in the Netherlands [Re: THEBats]
    #7516900 - 10/14/07 06:05 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Mushrooms have never been illegal in any country. For something to be illegal, it has to be against the law. As "There is no law beyond Do what thou wilt"Al III,60, if it be thy will to further thyself by way of mushroom, it is legal. The things that put people in jail are rules and regulations. These are arbitrary restrictions molded around(but not always based upon-i.e. drugs) the moralistic values determined by conditioning. As morals are always baseless themselves, a regulation or rule coincides with the lie of reason, whereas a law is a dynamic truth. Unfortunately, since humanity has not evolved to the point of accepting anarchy, in many cases rules are necessary despite the often corrupting basis of said regulation.
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Re: Shrooms to be illegal in the Netherlands [Re: Coaster]
    #7517083 - 10/14/07 06:59 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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the UK banned shrooms in 2005 now this
Japan even more recently banned shrooms
its a fucking domino effect



wrong. Mushrooms were banned in Japan in 2002 - 3 years before the UK.

These things go in cycles. Mushrooms only went on sale in shops in the UK from 2002, not available before then. Banned 3 years later. In Holland they only went on sale in shops around 1992. Banned 15 years later.

Another example is cannabis, reclassified from class B to C a few years ago in the UK. Now looks like it may well go back to class B.

It *is* inconsistent for mushrooms to be sold in shops while LSD is a class A drug. When the loophole drug gets too popular the government iron out the inconsistency by banning it. Had to happen sooner or later.


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Re: Shrooms to be illegal in the Netherlands [Re: lavod]
    #7517137 - 10/14/07 07:14 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i think its horse shit goverments get to have a say what we do with friends or by urself as long as it does not harm anyone and you keep out of reach of young children no1 should say anything.


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Re: Shrooms to be illegal in the Netherlands [Re: Fletch420]
    #7517166 - 10/14/07 07:19 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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i think its horse shit goverments get to have a say what we do with friends or by urself as long as it does not harm anyone and you keep out of reach of young children no1 should say anything.




Unfortunately, this is not always the case...

The double standard presented by alcohol and tobacco is unforgivable, though.


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Re: Shrooms to be illegal in the Netherlands [Re: AtrioVent]
    #7518601 - 10/15/07 07:54 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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The article I read said that the sale of mushrooms would be outlawed not the possession of them.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,301381,00.html

Now resist the urge to freak out, although the link is to Fox News the story comes from the Associated Press.




Possession of small amounts of any drug is legal in Holland luckily.
Even with shrooms banned we probably still have the least repressive drug laws.


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Re: Shrooms to be illegal in the Netherlands [Re: lavod]
    #7518632 - 10/15/07 08:10 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

ugh.

they should change the laws so that only RESIDENTS and CITIZENS of the country can purchase the mushrooms.


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Re: Shrooms to be illegal in the Netherlands [Re: Crystal G]
    #7518721 - 10/15/07 09:01 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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ugh.

they should change the laws so that only RESIDENTS and CITIZENS of the country can purchase the mushrooms.




Then these residents and citizens would most likely sell to the tourists. Either way Im sure mushrooms will still be available in Amsterdam even if not of legal means.


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Re: Shrooms to be illegal in the Netherlands [Re: THEBats]
    #7518731 - 10/15/07 09:05 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Crystal G said:
ugh.

they should change the laws so that only RESIDENTS and CITIZENS of the country can purchase the mushrooms.




Then these residents and citizens would most likely sell to the tourists. Either way Im sure mushrooms will still be available in Amsterdam even if not of legal means.




yes, true, but if they are doing that then it would at least make the shroom/herb shop not liable for the tourists' actions.


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