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HBWR tonight
#7512404 - 10/13/07 03:33 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yesterday I received 50 Hawaiian strain HBWR seeds in the mail. I was going to do something with them last night but I got far too tired.
That leaves me with tonight. I've been going over various extractions and methods, but I'm beginning to think that I'll probably just take some dramamine and then chew up 6-8 of the seeds, or grind them up and drink them down in some cranberry juice. I feel prepared to deal with some nausea/vomiting, and I'll keep some weed on hand if it gets to be too much.
I want to do the LSH extraction too, but honestly it looks a bit complicated for me to deal with at the moment. Plus I want to try the "pure" HBWR trip first, as it doesn't seem anybody really knows for sure how the chemistry of these seeds works.
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man then make u barf in a way that u dont feel like ur going to, till it happens.... when i did them i ate 5, and it was a mild trip... nothing special, i was told shortly after i needed to take more for a better effect (1 or 2 more) one thing i noticed very stagnantly on the trip, was whenever i looked at peoples skins, i would see colors everywhere, moving along the surface of their skin, and their eyes glowed.
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you could just grind em up and put em in lemon juice. leave em in there for a while. then extract the grinded seeds from the juice and either drink the juice or hold the juice under your tongue for sublingual administration. or you could just down the grinded seeds with the juice but that defeats the purpose of doing it. id say do the extraction i just mentioned otherwise youre most likely in for some bad nausea and/or purging. fyi, if you do an extraction youll need more seeds to get the same effect since youre not actually eating the whole seeds. have fun
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Re: HBWR tonight [Re: Locus]
#7512730 - 10/13/07 05:04 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Chewing them isnt that bad. I would take 8-9 of them (just me). I have never really vomited after taking them I usually drink alchohol while I am taking them anyway.
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i did my first cold water extraction with 10 seeds last night and made a tea out of it. this was my 5th time with lsa. tripped a little bit - mild visuals and it was over shortly - but most importantly there was almost no nausea, i couldn't taste that disgusting gag inducing taste of the seeds [one whiff of it almost made me yak] and it was so much more chill than when I had eaten them I could've gone to sleep tripping. LSA is kickass for sure, but seriously I absolutely recommend doing an extraction. The first time I tried LSA was definitely my favorite - 11 hbwr and a whole shit-ton of body load and nausea but later on I had some intense visuals with some weed [smoking makes the trip much, much stronger] and a whole lot of fun at a park
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Yes I love LSA as well.
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I've got 150 that have been in alcohol since Wednesday night following a naptha wash. They are due out now. I too am tempted to go for a dose tonight but I've got some other things going on including a driving excursion an hour and 1/2 from now. Then again I don't have to do anything tomorrow so I may go for it when I return later.
I've done some research into the lsh thing too during the past week or so. Doesn't look like you have much chance of actually getting it to work. LSH is too unstable.
Anyway... Good vibes to ya.
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Must be a sign. Just got a phone call and that driving excursion got moved back to now.
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Do it.
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Done.
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Have a nice Trip.
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Ok, so what if I grind up 15 seeds, let them soak in cran-grape juice for a couple hours, then strain out the junk and drink it?
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I don't honestly know brother but I think there is some rule about asking for doses.. I would just chew em its really not that bad I promise. Chew like 10 you should have a good time.
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use lemon juice or water. not sure about crangrape juice. but lemon juice will aid in extraction. id say do that instead of the cran-grape and it should be fine. though dosages are very shady... ya never know... but i think thatd be alright.
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Dose advice is allowed in this section. 15 is a strong dose. You may want to start with 8 to 10 if a first for ya. Juice is mostly water so it will work at least as efficient as a water extraction by my guess. I don't know what affect the other substances in the juice may have.
I have not paid much attention to anything but non polar/polar extractions so I can't be of much help I'm afraid.
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yes but because hed be doing an extraction and not eating the grinded up seeds i think hed need more so 15 would be a good amount.
the problem with dosages is ya never know how much itll effect someone. thats why what you really should do if you want to be cautious is experimient with that same extraction but with a low dose so you can get a feel for how much your natural tolerance to lsa is. then go from there the next time. or you could just dive in this time and do it this way but ya never know how thats gonna turn out.
and remember.. lsa comes on real slow.. so its going to take a while before you feel it.
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Re: HBWR tonight [Re: Locus]
#7513416 - 10/13/07 08:22 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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True. Maybe I should dose an extra ml considering that.
Mine is a 50 ml alcohol extract of 150 seeds. 1 ml = 3 seeds.
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btw, with an alcohol extract ive actually read that you could sublingually dose some of it and itll hit almost instantly so you can test how much youd want to dose that way. though im not sure if thats the same alcohol extract i read about.
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Re: HBWR tonight [Re: Locus]
#7513512 - 10/13/07 08:52 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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-and well... anyone who does trip... happy tripping!!!
-post about how it went.
-and good vibes to all!!!!!  
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Re: HBWR tonight [Re: Locus]
#7513706 - 10/13/07 09:42 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hmm... doesn't look like I have time to do an extraction of any kind, cold water or not, if I want to trip tonight.
Looks like I have no choice but to swallow 'em down.
I'll tell you guys once I've done that and how it's going.
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Thanks locus. Looks like I went too low. All I've gotten so far is a mild perceptual change. Alcohol extractions kick in pretty quick so I just upped the dose a bit. Sub lingual may work. Not interested in trying though. A few ml of 190 proof goes down quick and easy offering little to taste when dropped straight down the throat bypassing most of the taste buds. Suits me well. 
Good vibes to ya Tchan. I hope you have a pleasant and rewarding experience.
If my booster doesn't kick in soon I'm going to forget it for tonight. I'm drinking a little anyway. If the lsa kicks in good I'll enjoy that. If not then weed and salvia on top of the drinks will do me fine for tonight.
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Don't forget to chew brother.
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Chew well. It's probably too late now but I'd grind them to a powder and down them like a headache powder. They can take a very long time to kick in. The finer the quicker.
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Yea grind em huh... I guess I never thought of that lol.. I can be an idiot sometimes.
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Will grinding it into a powder work as well as chewing it?
I haven't taken 'em yet.
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I believe so I have always been a fan of all natural. Your body digests and metabolizes parts in your mouth if you chew. But I am sure its minimal if you up the dose a bit grind it and drink it.
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The finest is the easier and quicker to absorb.
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Quote:
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Scraping the skins off now. This is a pain in the arse.
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Tchan909 said: Scraping the skins off now. This is a pain in the arse.
The seeds I got already had the fuzz removed and I thought most did these days. You don't have to remove the "skin". Just the fuzz if any.
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Oh contrair. Most seed sellers apply a insecticide on there seeds so its a good idea to clean them off.
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I'm not sure if it was "fuzz" or "skin" but it's gone now and I'll be swallowing it sometime in the next hour.
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yesss I love it dont leave us tell us how it is..
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9 seeds worth of extract is blending pretty well with a few drinks and 1 bowl of bud. Not too much. Could easily enjoy more of the extract. Nice amplification and expansion of perceptions but not too paranoid. Nice. No visuals other than a light sensation of breathing peripherals. Easy going and mild but much cleaner than I expected from reports. Even for a low dose. I'm figuring I lost a bit of potency with the long non polar/polar extraction but I'm getting the feeling that it's worth it. Just need to take a little more to get there. Not tonight though.
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Wow, so I'm an idiot. I just ground my seeds up with a bunch of coffee.
Scraping a new pile...
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Just drink it all up who cares.
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Definitely shot too low on the lsa. The drinks, weed and salvia have done me well though. The lsa has countered the alcohol a bit it seems and added it's own touch making for a higher high if ya know what I mean. More wavy. 
I should make this my last post for tonight. Goodnight all 
Feels good. I'm gonna soak it up.
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Just so everyone knows Alchohol is awesome with LSA..
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It's done. I got sick of fiddling around so I just chewed up six of the seeds with some cran-grape juice (yes, I like cranberry juice). Went down pretty smooth.
Time to sit back with the weed, the dramamine, and the big bowl ready... hope I don't get too sick, wish me good vibes.
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Good vibes you should eat three more IMO.. but happy tripping..
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I was wondering if six would be enough. I want to get a good feel for the effects. The only thing is, I've read different strains have very different dosages, so I want to be careful...
Are your experiences with the Hawaiian strain? I have that, from Iamshaman.
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Yea I have used the HBWS I think at least 8 is what you need but like I said I am a pretty heavy user.. 10 always makes me feel what I want to feel. doesn't matter where you get em like you said they vary.
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In that case I'll eat just one more.
Thanks for all the advice, I'm a total newbie to seeds of any kind.
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Good for you... If you have some beer around start drinking I promise you wont regret it.
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Keep us updated Tchan909! i wana hear what its like.
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Re: HBWR tonight [Re: The_Bomb]
#7514519 - 10/14/07 01:57 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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W W
Laid down for a bit. Things got to going on. I'm impressed. 
Got hungry though having not eaten much today.
Gonna eat a bit and dive back in so to speak. For the night this time. 
Good vibes to ya Tchan. Hope ya have a great time.
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Wellp, three hours in. I also lay down for a while, almost drifted off.
Now I'm feeling something, but it's very mild... it's definitely noticeable, I'm kind of off-kilter and have something that's, like, ALMOST visuals.
Surprisingly, nausea is not an issue in the least.
Next time I do this I'll have to up the dosage significantly.
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I told ya..
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I usually use 10 hbwr seeds(Hawaiian strain) I put them in a zip-lock bag and then fold the bag over and over again so that it has thicker walls I then take to the seeds with a hammer until they are a fine dust. Then I just capsule the powder and get ready to trip.
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Great method all natural..
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Never did get any nausea or other uncomfortable effects. A ringing sound could have gotten annoying if it had worsened but it didn't. The best was laying down for a bit with my eyes closed. I enjoyed that for a while and being late eventually nodded on out.
Very enjoyable. I think about 12 seeds worth of this extract and a comfortable setting to rest in and just let it flow will be ideal for me.
A small amount of salvia greatly increased the depth and expansion for a while. Made it more of a sit up and pay attention thing.
Overall it was better than I expected. I'll be exploring with this some more.
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I spoke way too soon.
After I made that post, I was extremely tired so I decided to lie down and snooze. Figured I'd seen everything I would from those seeds.
Two hours later, I wake up again, and I get vertigo lying down... the visuals were almost as intense as acid and I had a very nice body high. I heard they would come on slow, but I wasn't expecting anything like 3+ hours. Everything was "jumping out" at me. Lines seemed gridded. Pupils were almost fully dilated. I listened to some music for a while, which eventually actually got too intense for me to listen to anymore. It was a perfect first dose: intense and impossible to ignore, but not overwhelmingly so.
The nausea was present, noticeably bad, but not bad enough to puke (though I did try at one point). Not nearly as bad as I feared, considering I just chewed them up (with the cranberry juice they actually went down very easily). In spite of it I felt pretty awesome the entire trip, very relaxed and mellow. The weed and dramamine helped, I wager. And I feel great this morning, very "switched-on" and alert.
As I was getting ready to trip my friends kept acting like I was being silly and would never get a good trip out of some legal seeds... they were wrong. I've never had morning glories before but they sound like absolute shit compared to what I experienced last night. I'll definitely be doing this again, with more seeds (around 10 most likely). I was scared of doing this at first but I'm glad I pushed myself to try it.
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awesome, i might have to look more into these.
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Re: HBWR tonight [Re: The_Bomb]
#7515993 - 10/14/07 02:22 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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5 HBWR was enough for me, gets a bit intense. And the body load gets a tad annoying.
But music is pretty special  Probably good with some decent hash.
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Re: HBWR tonight [Re: blacksun]
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cool chan im glad you enjoyed them!
everytime ive eaten them, ive fallen asleep waiting for them, and it either prevented my body load and nausea, or i just have an iron gut! and woke up flyin around the town! haha
first time i ate 10 scraped really well which might have helped with the nausea, or lack of. other times i ate 12, now 15 is pretty much norm. nice visual exp.
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Re: HBWR tonight [Re: just me]
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hahaha, dont you love that too, when everyone doubts you can get high off anything legal!!!
doubters dont have good trips either, my friend swears i tried to poison him.....first time he tripped, and PUKED hard core, second time he was too busy puking to worry about a trippin. so i was like how was your night, and he was like you tried to poison me asshole, and i was like you ate them 2 nights ago and loved it!
i dont know, i think pukin has somethin to do with purging, and if you cant gain anything from trip, then your next ones on the substance are gonna be worse...just my $0.02
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Re: HBWR tonight [Re: just me]
#7516477 - 10/14/07 04:23 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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The body high is definitely a nice change from the wide-awake feeling most other psychedelics have. I was very relaxed and drowsy.
Now that I've been awake and done some stuff I can say the afterglow is very nice too.
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the first time i ate them i chewed them up too. once you get over the initial smell they really dont taste that bad. i never threw up, but alcohol tasted like shit. my buddy had one beer and threw up like that scene from the exorcist...it was crazy.
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I tried HBWR once. I ate eight seeds. chewed them up. absolutely no visuals, but definitely a trip feeling. around the peak it was quite unpleasant, not very intense though. just an overall uncomfortable and nervous feeling. my father and friends tried some and agreed. My dad hated them. the best part of the experience was the comedown, though. the body high was soooo soothing. I was listening to music, lying in my bed with a bunch of soft sheets. besides that part of the trip, it was not much fun. I've heard Morning Glory is better even though you have to booty bump a shitload of shits unlike HBWR
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Tchan909 said: The body high is definitely a nice change from the wide-awake feeling most other psychedelics have. I was very relaxed and drowsy.
Now that I've been awake and done some stuff I can say the afterglow is very nice too.
exactly! the body high is like the best part. It is just about as sedating as mushies.
the afterglow is nice too i agree
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