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    #7511898 - 10/13/07 12:46 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Why isn't there a gospel of "Jesus" [Re: dr_gonz]
    #7511919 - 10/13/07 12:53 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Which Jesus?


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    #7511924 - 10/13/07 12:53 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Why isn't there a gospel of "Jesus" [Re: dr_gonz]
    #7511933 - 10/13/07 12:55 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

We don't really know if the jesus from the bible existed or not. :shrug:


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Re: Why isn't there a gospel of "Jesus" [Re: dr_gonz]
    #7511956 - 10/13/07 01:02 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Um, because Jesus didn't write a book, his disciples documented the story years after it transpired.


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    #7511959 - 10/13/07 01:03 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Why isn't there a gospel of "Jesus" [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7511989 - 10/13/07 01:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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MushroomTrip said:
We don't really know if the jesus from the bible existed or not. :shrug:




Well I think it is pretty documented that he existed (even in the Muslim bible he is a significant figure).  As far as 'proof' its hard to scientifically prove that any one specific person existed, over 2000 years ago.  Nevertheless, multiple independent sources have documented his existence, most scholars don not deny that he lived.


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Re: Why isn't there a gospel of "Jesus" [Re: JackthaTripper]
    #7512000 - 10/13/07 01:12 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Well yeah but myths spread really fast. :smirk:
Besides, even if he existed it doesn't mean that he was "son of god".


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Re: Why isn't there a gospel of "Jesus" [Re: JackthaTripper]
    #7512061 - 10/13/07 01:31 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I don't know much about the topic, but I know that the most stated reference for Jesus' existence outside of the bible is from the historian Josephus (I think), and that reference's validity is now in question. It might be a forgery.


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Re: Why isn't there a gospel of "Jesus" [Re: dr_gonz]
    #7512068 - 10/13/07 01:33 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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were you there? maybe he did. I mean the man supposedly started preaching at the age of 12. You'd think the nigga might have taken down a few notes.




Well, since he is the 'star' of the second half of the book it would seem that if he wanted to write something it would be in there...


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    #7512095 - 10/13/07 01:41 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Why isn't there a gospel of "Jesus" [Re: dr_gonz]
    #7512149 - 10/13/07 01:53 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Or he was not really a man, but a synthesis of pagan mythology, platonism, and judaism. Or perhaps he really was a man but, as tends to happen with legends, had all kinds of mythical elements added to his character... kind of like Paul Bunyan.


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Re: Why isn't there a gospel of "Jesus" [Re: dr_gonz]
    #7512152 - 10/13/07 01:55 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Who cares? There is no controller. All around you arises because the conditions are right for them to arise. Not because some mysterious entity said "Let there be light."

If you must follow the teachings of Jesus. Just be loving and kind to everyone (beginning with yourself) and everything. Remember those times of ego loss on heavy mushroom doses? What is left after the ego is shattered? Love without barriers. To be a light bulb radiating rays of love without discrimination is to reflect an aspect of universal enlightenment which not limited to any belief system.

Of course, the ego can make all kinds of excuses as to why to do the exact opposite of that. Just realize, love is the only thing that when shared is not diminished in strength.


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Re: Why isn't there a gospel of "Jesus" [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7512541 - 10/13/07 04:20 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

'Son of God,' or 'Son of Man' were titles attributed to the Kings of Israel - the divine right of kingship that came down through Christendom. 'Son of God' meaning the mytho-theological position of the Johannine writings (not the Synoptics [same-view] Matthew, Mark and Luke) contaminated the Synoptics in the minds of most people. The Synoptic writers called Jesus 'a man anointed by God.' Fine, He truly was. John the Greek Jew comes along and lays this Greek mytho-poetic trip on Philo of Alexandria's works on the Logos (Philo was a philosopher who lived contemporaneously with Jesus and whose writings we have). All of a sudden, 'a man anointed by God' becomes 'God clothed in flesh'!!!
So now, God impregnates a virgin after the stories of Greek mythology, and the result is always a semi-divine being called a Hero (Like Heracles or Dionysius, both fathered by Zeus by mortal women).

The Christian religion suddenly leaves the Jewish fold which abhorred this polytheistic and pagan thinking and begins to teach that Jesus is fully divine AND fully human. Moreover, Jesus is different by 'specie' not just by degree of divine awareness. He is the 'prolation of the Second Hyposthesis of the Triune Godhead.' In other words, the Infinite Triune Godhead (another completely fabricated concept by Tertullian) 'inserted' Itself through the Logos/Second Person or Hypothesis into space-time through the birth of this unique being, Jesus the Christ. However, the whole doctrine based on the word 'virgin' is in error all because the author called Matthew quoted the then-popular Greek Old Testament book of Isaiah (which prophesied the birth of the Messiah). BUT...in Hebrew the word 'almah' or virgin and the word 'bertolla,' young woman are two different words. In the Greek translation (the Septuigint) there is only one word for both - 'parthenos' (as in 'the parthenon,' the temple dedicated to the virgin goddess Athena). Isaiah wrote young woman, the Greek translation made it virgin, the whole doctrine including the mythic 'God clothed with flesh' merely represents the entire ancient world's mythology - NOT historicity!!!!

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Re: Why isn't there a gospel of "Jesus" [Re: dr_gonz]
    #7512729 - 10/13/07 05:04 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

The guy was supposed to be a carpenter's son, so he probably was illiterate.


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Re: Why isn't there a gospel of "Jesus" [Re: koppie]
    #7512741 - 10/13/07 05:06 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

The gospel of Jesus is the whole new testament.


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Re: Why isn't there a gospel of "Jesus" [Re: Walter1496211]
    #7513566 - 10/13/07 09:05 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

The OT and NT together are the gospel of Jesus since both speak about Him.


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Re: Why isn't there a gospel of "Jesus" [Re: fivepointer]
    #7513594 - 10/13/07 09:10 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Jesus was the father of the old testament and the son of the new testament. I don't expect you to understand or even comprehend that but good luck.


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Re: Why isn't there a gospel of "Jesus" [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #7513617 - 10/13/07 09:15 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Thank you :smile:


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Re: Why isn't there a gospel of "Jesus" [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7513627 - 10/13/07 09:18 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

This is probably blasphemous but your hot.


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