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Re: fuck amsterdam [Re: MOTH]
    #7513506 - 10/13/07 08:50 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

"amsterdam"? it's all of the netherlands, not just amsterdam.


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Re: fuck amsterdam [Re: Gr8fulJ420]
    #7513516 - 10/13/07 08:52 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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If mushrooms are banned, that just means you'll have to buy them from shady underground dealers, instead of the nice friendly shopkeepers. And while you're picking up some shrooms, you can score some heroin!




Exactly. And there goes the last little safety net that they had in place. Instead of shopkeepers actually explaining the risks and benefits from mushroom consumption, tourists are now just going to buy them right outside the shops from people that don't give two shits about what the recipients do.

I foresee an increase in Emergency Room admissions due to even more poorly informed drunk stupid tourists than when they were legally sold in a somewhat sane manner.

:rolleyes:

I just don't understand how people can turn a blind eye to logic and then blame the problems they ignorantly created on the people that they've hurt with such decisions and legislature.


WON'T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE FUCKING CHILDREN?!?!


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Re: fuck amsterdam [Re: WakeboardrB]
    #7513530 - 10/13/07 08:54 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I bet most shroom purchases are impulse related. I bet most people wouldn't even do them if they weren't in open display in smart shops.

That's my logic...


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Re: fuck amsterdam [Re: TODAY]
    #7513555 - 10/13/07 09:01 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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TODAY said:
I bet most shroom purchases are impulse related.  I bet most people wouldn't even do them if they weren't in open display in smart shops.

That's my logic...




Yeah, perhaps they were a little too blatantly advertised. Still, it would be so much better/safer for everyone to impose some stiffer regulations on the sales and mandatory information before purchasing.

But who needs knowledge when you can just ban it outright and think that the problem is just going to evaporate into fat air. :sad:


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Re: fuck amsterdam [Re: WakeboardrB]
    #7513642 - 10/13/07 09:21 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

It would have been smarter to have them behind the counters. You would have to ask the person working there to purchase some, then they should ask them a few questions and check some ID if they look young.
They do this with Salvia here, and they give the buyer a small piece of paper with information about it, what to expect, what not to do, general warnings and advises a trip sitter. And they also check ID if they look under 18.
Though one local "journalistic" tv program tried doing an expose on Salvia and got someone who looked like he was 25 (but he was 17 - just a tall, largely built Samoan rugby player). They tried claiming that they're selling it to underage kids and that Salvia is absolutely dangerous.
I think the general response was overwhelming laughter. A few people got in a hissy about "saving our children", but haven't heard much else since then. Even the hospitals didn't report getting hundreds of "bad" Salvia trips by anyone I recall.

The main reason so many idiots (and the few responsible tourists) flock there is because their own countries have stupid drug laws.


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Re: fuck amsterdam [Re: Gr8fulJ420]
    #7514053 - 10/13/07 11:12 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Gr8fulJ420 said:
If mushrooms are banned, that just means you'll have to buy them from shady underground dealers



Dealers would sell LSD. Much more practical. And with Holland supplying a lot of MDMA, I'm sure there's plenty of labs to churn out acid.


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Re: fuck amsterdam [Re: learningtofly]
    #7514142 - 10/13/07 11:40 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

honestly I don't think amsterdam is that great. Its expensive as hell, all of the weed is mixed with tobacco. I can get high here just fine...fuck that place.


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Re: fuck amsterdam [Re: learningtofly]
    #7514167 - 10/13/07 11:47 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I do think its pretty shitty for something to be made illegal, just because some emo slut kills herself. I am not saying alcohol should be illegal...but how many people die a year from alcohol? That girl probably took mushrooms to get "fucked up" and was sadly mistaken that it was not that kind of drug. In my opinion, she deserves to be dead.


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:drooling:GIVE ME OPIATES OR GIVE ME DEATH:drooling:


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Re: fuck amsterdam [Re: learningtofly]
    #7514209 - 10/14/07 12:01 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

one fucktard commits suicide and it's banned.

hundreds of people die from alcohol. lots of which were innocent people involved in drunk driving accidents who weren't even drinking- yet it's not banned. alcohol is also very addictive as shrooms aren't

this is fucking ridiculous.


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Re: fuck amsterdam [Re: aDoS]
    #7514280 - 10/14/07 12:22 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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aDoS said:
honestly I don't think amsterdam is that great. Its expensive as hell, all of the weed is mixed with tobacco. I can get high here just fine...fuck that place.




I think the general consensus would say that if you travel to Amsterdam just to get high then you are fucking retarded.

Never mind it being a HUGE cultural center and amazing city. If I can't get my weed without tobacco then it's trash.

But you are right. Any douche bag can sit there on their ass and waste their live smoking weed in their parents shitty ass basement. Fuck Amsterdam, who the hell needs it.


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Re: fuck amsterdam [Re: WakeboardrB]
    #7514330 - 10/14/07 12:38 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Whatever... gives a shit? How many of you guys live in the USA? Does it really make a difference? In a place like Amsterdam (or Holland for that matter) do you really think it will be any harder than perhaps mildly more difficult to get them now, as opposed to before, when they were legal?

Or say you're just pissed 'about the principle'. That shouldn't really come as much of a surprise either.


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Re: fuck amsterdam [Re: the free thinker]
    #7514360 - 10/14/07 12:50 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

What scared ME is the fact that they mentioned spores' legality. I think if you asked someone on the street if you could by spores for illegal mushrooms, they would say no. I like it like that, and this kinda just shined a big light on that.


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Re: fuck amsterdam [Re: TODAY]
    #7514688 - 10/14/07 03:27 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

No matter how you look at it, "banning" a substance isn't going to do anyone, any good. It just puts it on the black market, where far more things are likely to go wrong. Drug laws just serve to turn innocent and harmless people into criminals, and make it so drugs can't be regulated whatsoever. Far more benefit would come from keeping the drugs legal, and EDUCATING people about them, so that people can make smart decisions about what they put in their body, and that so like.. you know.. drugs could be good quality and not some shit like woah man this is awesome MDMA, and then you drop dead from a PMA overdose or find PCP in your weed.

Prohibition of alcohol didn't work. That much is goddamn obvious. What the fuck makes them think prohibition of Marijuana, Mushrooms, Ectstacy, etc.. is going to be any different? Newflash: IT'S NOT. The only difference is we don't have a bunch of weed gangsters with gatling guns running around trafficking and blasting away cops in the name of marijuana prohibition. (Which probably isn't a bad idea) And for the record, I am all for legalizing ALL illegal drugs, including the 'hard' drugs like heroin, crack, etc. They just need to be highly regulated so that those who DO use them, use them as responsibly as possible.. and get good quality shit. People should have a right to choose, banning substances isn't going to do shit. If you're going to ban Heroin and Crack you might as well ban Oxycontin, Tylenol, Alcohol, Tobacco, Aspartame, Zoloft, Christianity, Automobiles, McDonalds and a whole fucking list of things while you're at it - they kill a lot more people each year than Crack and Heroin, or even goddamn shrooms for that matter which aren't even in the same fucking category.

FAR more people die each year from LEGAL pharmaceuticals than die from all illicit drugs combined. That is cold hard fact. Take those illicit drugs off the black market and you would more than likely have far less deaths from them occur. But all they care about is control, control, control. Keep the natural happy drugs illegal and pump the world full of deadly legal pharmaceuticals. They didn't push this ban to help anyone or make anyone's quality of life better.. they did it to push their own agenda, which is halfway up the US' ignorant ass. Why the fuck aren't they banning the pharmaceuticals that are killing thousands of people each year? I'll tell you.. because they are making shitloads of money off it.
Say NO to drugs.. say YES to our drugs.

It's all a bunch of fucking bullshit. Down with the self-righteous motherfuckers trying to rule to world and not giving two fucks about whose innate human rights they piss all over or who they genocide. FUCK THEM ALL.

And this is NOT the end of my rant because I will never be satisfied until we have our human fucking rights back in FULL. Fuck this compromising rights for "freedom" or public safety, that's also a load of fucking bullshit. FIGHT THE POWER AND DEMAND YOUR RIGHTS.

The government is controlled by the people, not the other way around.
So many seem to have forgotten....
I for one will not stand for it.
I will rise against these motherfuckers and if they kill me so be it, someone else will take my place.
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Re: fuck amsterdam [Re: Shroomism]
    #7514774 - 10/14/07 05:37 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Well said.

But when you're ruled by a coalition of extremist christians,moderate christians and sell-out socialists, like we are in the Netherlands, a puritan backlash was to be expected.

My first mushroom trip happened near the beginning of this decade of freedom when mushrooms first came to the attention of the authorithies. It wasn't at all certain how long 'shrooms would stay legal, and I figured that I'd better try them while I still had the chance to obtain them easily by simply walking into a store.

In the meantime, the smart shops slowly turned into even more blatant tourist traps than they were in the beginning, and if some of them go under I won't be sorry to see them go. I shudder to think about the crap they will start pushing to make up for loss of their main product.

I'm glad that I have found the knowledge to be self-sufficient in this  matter, mostly thanks to you guys.

However I'm still royally pissed off about this attack on cognitive freedom. :crankey: Kids in the near future won't be so lucky.

I've ordered a couple of shirts from the shroomery store yesterday, mostly as an act of childish and pointless defiance, but also because I realised once again the importance of this place.

Knowledge really does mean freedom.


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Re: fuck amsterdam [Re: koppie]
    #7514796 - 10/14/07 05:54 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

The Dutch Parliament are thinking about banning prostitution as well...
Where will it end?


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Re: fuck amsterdam [Re: zepp420]
    #7514814 - 10/14/07 06:05 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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zepp420 said:
The Dutch Parliament are thinking about banning prostitution as well...
Where will it end?




Yeah that's a problem too. I'm still working on  self-sufficiency in that area. :grin:


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Re: fuck amsterdam [Re: koppie]
    #7514824 - 10/14/07 06:17 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i'm totally for complete legalization of all drugs. Anything less is a kind of censorship. But while it's a shame to see anything made unnecessarily illegal, I'm not that sad to see mushroom go back underground.

2002-2005 when they where on sale in shops in the UK, it never felt right to me and I never bought any. They were overpriced - around £15 ($30), I think, for 35g fresh compared to £2-3 ($4-6) for a hit of acid. And I didn't like how they were packaged in plastic boxes in fridges like something from a supermarket. Too commercial.


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Re: fuck amsterdam [Re: roquet]
    #7514849 - 10/14/07 06:38 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

While I didn't mind the packaging the mushrooms like groceries, the point after all was their legality, I do think that the law did contribute to irresponsible behavior.

By only allowing fresh mushrooms, they have to be consumed shortly after buying. When common sense says you should wait, but you feel it's a shame to let the things go to waste, sometimes common sense loses.

But then, allowing dried mushrooms would lead to large scale smuggling and even more international outcries.

And as everybody knows, before a Dutch politician takes office, they have their spine and their balls surgically removed. Sometimes the surgery goes wrong and they lose their brain too.


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Re: fuck amsterdam [Re: aDoS]
    #7514988 - 10/14/07 08:20 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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aDoS said:
honestly I don't think amsterdam is that great. Its expensive as hell, all of the weed is mixed with tobacco. I can get high here just fine...fuck that place.




Really? I've never been there but can't you buy some nice nugs of skunk or purp without any tobacco in it?


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Re: fuck amsterdam [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #7514996 - 10/14/07 08:23 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Really? I've never been there but can't you buy some nice nugs of skunk or purp without any tobacco in it?




Yep.


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