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Netherlands BANS Shrooms
    #7511598 - 10/13/07 11:16 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Netherlands bans magic mushrooms

Lawmakers tighten nation’s drug policy after girl's suicide


AMSTERDAM, Netherlands - The Netherlands will ban the sale of hallucinogenic mushrooms, the government announced Friday, tightening the country’s famed liberal drug policies after the suicide of an intoxicated teenage girl.

The ban — in response to the death and other highly publicized adverse reactions involving the fungus — is the latest backlash against the freewheeling policies of the past.

Mushrooms “will be outlawed the same way as other drugs,” Justice Minister Ernst Hirsch Ballin told reporters in The Hague. “The way we will enforce the ban is through targeting sellers.”

Psilocybin, the main active chemical in the mushrooms, has been illegal under international law since 1971. However, fresh mushrooms continued to be sold legally in the Netherlands along with herbal medicines in so-called “smart-shops,” on the theory that it was impossible to determine how much psilocybin any given mushroom contains.

That meant mushrooms were less regulated than marijuana, which is technically illegal but sold openly in small amounts in “coffee shops.” Possession of “hard” drugs like cocaine, LSD and Ecstasy is illegal.

Outright ban a surprise
The government has cracked down on hard drugs and tightened controls on marijuana. It was expected to do the same with mushrooms after the death of 17-year-old Gaelle Caroff, who had suffered from psychological problems before her death in March. She jumped from a building after eating psychedelic mushrooms while on a school visit.

But the outright ban came as a surprise: The government had solicited advice from vendors, advocacy groups and the city of Amsterdam, which benefits greatly from drug-related tourism, on how to improve the situation.

Mushroom vendors suggested stricter ID controls to prevent underage buyers, and strong warnings against mixing mushrooms with other drugs.

Amsterdam Mayor Job Cohen had suggested a three-day “cooling off” period between ordering them and using them.

The Justice Ministry decided those measures did not go far enough.

The problem with mushrooms is that “it’s impossible to estimate what amount will have what effect,” spokesman Wim Van der Weegen said.

Around 500,000 “doses” of packaged mushrooms are sold in the Netherlands annually. According to a study published in January by Amsterdam’s health services, the city’s emergency services were summoned 148 times to deal with a bad reaction to mushrooms in 2004-2006. Of those 134 were foreigners, with Britons forming the largest group.

Other nations outlaw mushrooms
Denmark outlawed mushrooms in 2001, Japan in 2002, Britain in 2005 and Ireland in 2006. Selling psilocybin-containing mushrooms is illegal in the U.S., but the status varies from state to state for spores, homegrown and wild species.

Marjan Heuving, a spokeswoman for the country’s Trimbos Institute, a drug policy think-tank, said mushrooms are not toxic and themselves pose no physical risk to users.

But she agreed that people’s reaction to them is unpredictable, depending on factors such as weight; how much food they have eaten recently; their past drug experience; psychological health; and the setting in which they are taken.

“The main danger to the user is that he will somehow hurt himself,” she said. “I should add that that’s extremely rare.”

Dramatic stories
Since Caroff’s death, a number of other dramatic stories involving mushrooms have been reported in the Dutch press, including a 22-year-old British tourist who ran amok in a hotel, breaking his window and slicing his hand badly.

“It’s a shame, the media really blew this up into a big issue,” said Chloe Collette, owner of the FullMoon smart-shop in Amsterdam.

She said each case also involved the use of alcohol — against the advice of sellers — but it was the mushrooms that were blamed.

She said that many herbal medicines have quietly been outlawed as well.

“Every two months they’re banning something. Ephedra, yohimbe, herbal ’Ecstasy,’ and now this,” she said. “I don’t know if we can survive in the future.”

Since 2001, the government has gradually pared back the number of marijuana-selling coffee shops by refusing to renew licenses to stores in undesirable locations, such as near schools.

Growers targeted for prosecution
Coffee shops in the southern city of Maastricht have begun demanding fingerprints from customers to ensure they aren’t buying too much in one day.

Growers, including household growers, have been more aggressively targeted for prosecution.

The Netherlands remains a major Ecstasy producer, but has won praise from Washington for the crackdown. Seizures of a ton or more of cocaine from ships docking in the Port of Rotterdam — Europe’s largest — have become routine.

Murat Kucuksen, whose farm Procare supplies about half the psychedelic mushrooms on the Dutch market, predicted the trade will move underground as a result of the ban. Prices will rise, and dealers will sell dried mushrooms, or LSD as a substitute, to tourists with no guidance.

“So you’ll have a rise in incidents but they won’t be recorded as mushroom-related, and the politicians can declare victory,” he said.

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Re: Netherlands BANS Shrooms [Re: learningtofly]
    #7511613 - 10/13/07 11:21 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Netherlands BANS Shrooms [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7511636 - 10/13/07 11:28 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

1. FUCK!
2. This girl had previous underlying mental issues, how many places say that "if you have mental issues you should not take this drug" because as we know they potentiate emotions and stuff. What im saying is its her fault.
3. How many people die from alcohol and cigarettes? a ton of them, but its not like when someone got in a drunk driving accident that they banned alcohol.

At least the article states that there isn't really a problem and that it's stupid peoples fault.


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Re: Netherlands BANS Shrooms [Re: learningtofly]
    #7511643 - 10/13/07 11:32 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i think this ban isn't necessarily a bad thing. now we'll see figures that have been recorded BEFORE legalizing shrooms/during the legalization/after the ban. this should give an all-out idea of how crime rates shift and move and see what effect does this have on a country.


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Re: Netherlands BANS Shrooms [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7511687 - 10/13/07 11:49 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

That and since Amsterdam is now criminalizing "everything" I'm pretty sure their tourist rate will drop dramatically because now it'll just be a regular city.


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Re: Netherlands BANS Shrooms [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7511688 - 10/13/07 11:49 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

this is fucking stupid shit.
why the hell do lawmakers pass bans based on single incidences?
how many people ingest alcohol before committing suicide? and how many people on anti-depressants commit suicide? there is actually research that says using some anti-depressants increases suicide ideation and suicide attempts.
passing laws based on isolated incidents is basically just an excuse to push an agenda. the media doesn't help by blowing these stories way out of proportion.


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Re: Netherlands BANS Shrooms [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7511695 - 10/13/07 11:51 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

@up
But banning shrooms will most probably decrease the number of accidents involving tourists. Right now may of them buy shrooms at shops not knowing much about them just because they accidentaly come across them. So the figures won't show anything.


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Re: Netherlands BANS Shrooms [Re: Mandark]
    #7511706 - 10/13/07 11:53 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

what about peyote?


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Re: Netherlands BANS Shrooms [Re: learningtofly]
    #7511717 - 10/13/07 11:56 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

:sad: this is terrible. All that this has done is elivate my hated towards people in power, and how they think they can do an entire civilization good without rational thinking.

Cars kill fuck-loads of people every day. We dont make them illegal, because everyone uses them.

Cigarettes kill people every day.

Alcohol kills people every day.

Aspartame in diet soft drinks has been shown to give people cancer, and its more common than people drinking water around where i live.

Human beings can be such intelligent and beautiful creatures, but they can also be the most blind, and absolutely downright ignorant and stupid things the earth has ever seen.


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Re: Netherlands BANS Shrooms [Re: Mr_DeeMsTer]
    #7511730 - 10/13/07 11:57 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

haha i don't know it doesn't mention peyote, i guess no one likes it so they kept it legal.

It will decrease the number of accidents involving stupid people. @ Social Darwinism, if they can't adapt (to tripping), fuck em.


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Re: Netherlands BANS Shrooms [Re: learningtofly]
    #7511747 - 10/13/07 12:00 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

So by keeping it in the hands of the black market (given how many spores have been distributed throughout the netherlands because of its previous legality), it will now be less common? You think people aren't going to jack up the price, and sell it illegally?

And since it is illegal, they have absolutely no reason to tell people "you shouldn't take these if you are depressed, or have mental problems." BECAUSE ITS ILLEGAL. FUCK.


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Re: Netherlands BANS Shrooms [Re: Drewwyann]
    #7511749 - 10/13/07 12:01 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

R u stupid or what? THEY BANNED IT WHICH MEANS NO ONE IS GONNA TAKE THEM AT ALL


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Re: Netherlands BANS Shrooms [Re: learningtofly]
    #7511753 - 10/13/07 12:02 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

good point... i need to open up my eyes. :lol:

Edit: so does anyone think that mushrooms may resurface as legal any time in the future? I think they will, but i think it will take a bit of time, or a regime change. They are giving more power to the black market than they know.


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Re: Netherlands BANS Shrooms [Re: Drewwyann]
    #7511760 - 10/13/07 12:04 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Yah obviously. in the US no one smokes weed cuz its illegal. the war on drugs is like 100% effective at keeping drugz off tha streets. the stuff you hear about in the news is just liberal media trying to get it taken away


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Re: Netherlands BANS Shrooms [Re: learningtofly]
    #7511771 - 10/13/07 12:05 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i heard that one puff of a marijuana cigarette will coat your lungs with tar so you won't be able to breath.


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Re: Netherlands BANS Shrooms [Re: Drewwyann]
    #7511776 - 10/13/07 12:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I heard that if you smoke marijuana you'll go crazy and kill your parents!


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Re: Netherlands BANS Shrooms [Re: Drewwyann]
    #7511788 - 10/13/07 12:10 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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So by keeping it in the hands of the black market (given how many spores have been distributed throughout the netherlands because of its previous legality), it will now be less common? You think people aren't going to jack up the price, and sell it illegally?

And since it is illegal, they have absolutely no reason to tell people "you shouldn't take these if you are depressed, or have mental problems." BECAUSE ITS ILLEGAL. FUCK.



Yes, but you have to make some effort to buy it illegally. Tourists buy it because it is legal, because they can get it at smartshops. I don't like this news just as everyone else, but I think it WILL decrease the number of accidents.


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Re: Netherlands BANS Shrooms [Re: Drewwyann]
    #7511797 - 10/13/07 12:12 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Well, not being able to breathe isin't as bad as the effects of skunk cannabis. The withdrawal from that is so bad, that people (usually illegal immigrants, because the daily mail never exagerates nor lies) will disembowel small animals and children, convinced they can find more of their evil drug in them.

There seems to be a backwash of fail in Holland right now, I can imagine another five years from now booze and tobacco will be banned, and police will arrest anyone for having fun.


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Re: Netherlands BANS Shrooms [Re: learningtofly]
    #7511817 - 10/13/07 12:17 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

while we're at it lets just ban civilization too


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Re: Netherlands BANS Shrooms [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #7511833 - 10/13/07 12:24 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Don't Joke guys! I took two puffs and killed my parents and my whole neighborhood. Mariwannago2jail killz!



Guess I'll only get to have some coffee and weed when I go to Amsterdamn one day. If that is even legal by then. I hope crime rates rise. We'll see a giant shift in things then.


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Re: Netherlands BANS Shrooms [Re: Drewwyann]
    #7511875 - 10/13/07 12:41 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

More people will just have to grow it themselves and sell it underground like most parts of the world do. I don't think it will change things much, though maybe festivals and events where mushrooms are used might be hindered.


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    #7511930 - 10/13/07 12:55 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

It's nice that at least in the US LSD is making a comeback around the time that the government is starting to target mushrooms. Around here I hear more and more stories of "Narcotic Mushroom" Busts, and in England and the Netherlands they have now outlawed them without any sane reason. Zoloft has caused more suicides.

Acid took a little break and let mushrooms have a few years, but now that all the ignorants around the world want to jail people for mushrooms, good ole' lysergic is back. And fortunately, it is much harder for them to detect than anything else. There was a reason LSD was sythesized.


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Re: Netherlands BANS Shrooms [Re: learningtofly]
    #7511932 - 10/13/07 12:55 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Sad, but I could see this coming. :shake:


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Re: Netherlands BANS Shrooms [Re: confusion]
    #7512075 - 10/13/07 01:35 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I think someone should attempt to get alcohol banned (just to prove a point) based on the grounds that
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(A) The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.
(B) The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in
treatment in the United States.
(C) There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance
under medical supervision.

So if they say "No, thats stupid" get shroomz unbanned


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Re: Netherlands BANS Shrooms [Re: learningtofly]
    #7512170 - 10/13/07 02:04 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

It will be illegal like cannabis is there.


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    #7512213 - 10/13/07 02:18 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

And so fails the last bit of sanity left on this fucking planet. Fuck off, right-wing Fascist dicks.


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Re: Netherlands BANS Shrooms [Re: confusion]
    #7512261 - 10/13/07 02:37 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

uh...where do the sponsors get their spores from? no specifics, just say its no the netherlands....


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Re: Netherlands BANS Shrooms [Re: learningtofly]
    #7512502 - 10/13/07 04:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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I think someone should attempt to get alcohol banned (just to prove a point) based on the grounds that
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(B) The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in
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under medical supervision.

So if they say "No, thats stupid" get shroomz unbanned




It might be a good idea, but they might argue that alcohol does have medical value. (I'm not sure if it does in the eyes of the usda or not. )


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Re: Netherlands BANS Shrooms [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
    #7512856 - 10/13/07 05:37 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

You could also argue mushrooms do as well (compared to liquor anyway) which is the point, not to mention shrooms aren't addictive. The point being if you ban mushrooms under certain rules you should ban alcohol and ciggarettes unless you have a double standard (which they do)


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Re: Netherlands BANS Shrooms [Re: learningtofly]
    #7512932 - 10/13/07 05:59 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

does this mean Sporeworks will have to stop its research? (Workman's Netherlands-based, isn't he?)


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    #7513008 - 10/13/07 06:14 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

This makes me hate my government.

Although not all of the parties agreed to it.

Guess I know what I'll be voting this year.


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Re: Netherlands BANS Shrooms [Re: confusion]
    #7513470 - 10/13/07 08:41 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

apparently its more profitable to have it banned otherwise they wouldn't do it, i mean look at how much money the usa is making off their illegal substances.

People on here always say look how much money they would make if it was legal....wrong, look how much money a house is worth after you steal it out from under a drug user.


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Re: Netherlands BANS Shrooms [Re: confusion]
    #7513496 - 10/13/07 08:47 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

from what ive heard, a peyote clone costs around 700 dollars in amsterdam. so im sure whoever is going to spend that much knows how to handle their shit.


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Re: Netherlands BANS Shrooms [Re: learningtofly]
    #7513532 - 10/13/07 08:55 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Two kinds of cunts are responsible for this.

The first group of cunts, domestic cunts, are the rightwing and christian rightwing people who created our current coalition government. The Socialist Party was supposed to be part of the elections. It had won. But the rightwingers pulled a quicky and made a Christian fundamentalist party part of the coalition instead. These types are ofcourse aqnti-everything. Upping the age of drinking, restricting sale of alcohol and cannabis, and now this.

The second group of cunts, the foreign cunts, are many of the so called drug tourists.

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According to a study published in January by Amsterdam’s health services, the city’s emergency services were summoned 148 times to deal with a bad reaction to mushrooms in 2004-2006. Of those 134 were foreigners, with Britons forming the largest group.




This is the truth. They come to amsterdam, cram themselves full of all sorts of drugs they can lay their hands on in insane doses and then call the ambulance.


Thanks a lot for spoiling a wonderful thing, Jesus freaks and drug tourists :mad2:


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Re: Netherlands BANS Shrooms [Re: Asante]
    #7513540 - 10/13/07 08:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

yeah but how do these Christan groups make it in so easy? wheres the opposing forces to pull quickies like this too??

Christianity is the government....thats how.


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Re: Netherlands BANS Shrooms [Re: confusion]
    #7513546 - 10/13/07 08:59 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Another one bites the dust.  RIP :bouncysmoke:


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    #7513585 - 10/13/07 09:09 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Holland used to be a wonderful place where there were about as many to the political left as to the right. They balanced each other out and this made wonderful things possible.

No more. About 2/3 votes rightwing now and the main leftwing party has moved to the right also. And once either side of the political spectrum becomes too strong the balance is lost and damage is done.

Our current coalition is a center-right one with a religious undertaste. Our prime minister wants GW Bush's baby.

The wrong people are in power and they are destroying our cannabis & mushroom freedoms.

If we had had a Workers Party/Green Left/Socialist Party coalition for several terms then the mushrooms and weed would be legalized, and perhaps MDMA also. It would definitely have gotten Soft Drug status.

But no, we now have a bunch of religious visionaries in power.

I cry for my country. In the last 15 years it has gone to SHIT :sad:


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Re: Netherlands BANS Shrooms [Re: Walter1496211]
    #7513725 - 10/13/07 09:47 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Another one bites the dust.  RIP :bouncysmoke:



so are they legal anywhere now?
I think some east european countries are pretty relaxed but I doubt you can buy them in shops.


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Re: Netherlands BANS Shrooms [Re: roquet]
    #7513808 - 10/13/07 10:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Hey roquet how you been??


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Re: Netherlands BANS Shrooms [Re: Walter1496211]
    #7513947 - 10/13/07 10:43 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

well, thanks Walter. Been on mycotopia while shroomery was down. Shit compared to this


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    #7514031 - 10/13/07 11:05 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Glad to hear it brother.


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Re: Netherlands BANS Shrooms [Re: Walter1496211]
    #7514252 - 10/14/07 12:16 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

so are there any countries where it is still sold legally (in shops)? I heard that in Thailand on Ko Pha Ngon or something where they have moon parties you can get them but don't know if they're legit or quality like Amsterdam was....


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Re: Netherlands BANS Shrooms [Re: cruisinalltheway]
    #7514496 - 10/14/07 01:48 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

what about Czechoslovakia? they were making progress over there regarding mushrooms, i believe.


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Re: Netherlands BANS Shrooms [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7514818 - 10/14/07 06:08 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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what about Czechoslovakia? they were making progress over there regarding mushrooms, i believe.




Czechoslovakia does not exist.


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Re: Netherlands BANS Shrooms [Re: Mandark]
    #7514882 - 10/14/07 06:56 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

this is the consequence of fucking morons and kids getting their hands on potent drugs which their feeble brains cant cope with...
same shit happened in the uk a couple of years ago...

i didnt read the entire thread but im sure that someone has made the comparison to alcohol previously, and the disgraceful amount of social issues it causes... way beyond the shit mushrooms ever caused...

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    #7515364 - 10/14/07 11:13 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Ok,what now?:confused:


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Re: Netherlands BANS Shrooms [Re: Mandark]
    #7515642 - 10/14/07 12:35 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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what about Czechoslovakia? they were making progress over there regarding mushrooms, i believe.




Czechoslovakia does not exist.




sorry, the czech republic.


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Re: Netherlands BANS Shrooms [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7515722 - 10/14/07 12:56 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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this is the consequence of fucking morons and kids getting their hands on potent drugs which their feeble brains cant cope with...
same shit happened in the uk a couple of years ago...

i didnt read the entire thread but im sure that someone has made the comparison to alcohol previously, and the disgraceful amount of social issues it causes... way beyond the shit mushrooms ever caused...

:kingcrankey:




yah i did. i said they should argue to get alcohol a schedule 1 substance because it meets the requirements far better than shrooms do. not to mention people kill themselves on alcohol + you can die/get addicted to it.


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Re: Netherlands BANS Shrooms [Re: learningtofly]
    #7515987 - 10/14/07 02:18 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

It's bad news. I dunno what to say about this. I mean obviously it isn't a good thing for people who fancy hallucinogens. But don't attack the victims. Like if someone takes mushrooms and does some shit that leads them to wind up dead, its a tragedy. People calling them stupid ignorant fucks, are them selfs stupid ignorant fucks. How about some empathy. I think the best redeeming quality of hallucinogens is that it does make people feel empathy towards one and other regardless of conflicting societal pressures. But a little respect for the people who "reached for the secret too soon and cried for the moon". One of these stupid pieces of shit could be you or me.


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Re: Netherlands BANS Shrooms [Re: confusion]
    #7516118 - 10/14/07 02:56 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Not knowing your self first and not having someone else sober around to monitor you is always a big mistake when adventuring.
1.know your self
2.know your drug
3.know your source
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Re: Netherlands BANS Shrooms [Re: roquet]
    #7517417 - 10/14/07 08:46 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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does this mean Sporeworks will have to stop its research? (Workman's Netherlands-based, isn't he?)




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Re: Netherlands BANS Shrooms [Re: learningtofly]
    #7541830 - 10/21/07 08:15 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Sellers Revolt Over Magic Mushroom Ban
October 21, 2007 - sky.com

Magic mushroom sellers in the Netherlands have hit out at a ban on the hallucinogenic plant, saying it will merely make the trade go underground.

Dutch "smartshops" say the new law, set to be brought in over the next few months, is absurd and they will just move on to different drugs.

The move came after a majority in parliament pushed for a ban following a rising number of incidents involving tourists.

In March a 17-year-old French girl died after she threw herself from a bridge in Amsterdam.

She had eaten magic mushrooms, but no formal link was established between the two occurrences.

Earlier this year, Amsterdam health authorities raised the alarm because they saw a significant rise in requests for medical assistance from tourists who had had a bad reaction to the drug.

"We explain to people how to use the mushrooms. We tell them not to mix it with alcohol because that's what's dangerous," said a smartshop owner called Jos.

"If the mushrooms are banned, they will just be sold on the black market, without any instructions.

"Smartshops won't go away, we'll find something new to sell, more potent than the mushrooms. That's why it's absurd to ban them."

And Freddy Schaap of the Dutch smartshop association VLOS, added: "What's clear is that the market won't disappear, it will just move somewhere else.

"People are looking for thrills and they will try to find them elsewhere like with illegal LSD, which is a lot stronger. It's mad. You have a lot more control if you take magic mushrooms."

VLOS said most reported incidents with magic mushrooms involved people who had also drunk a lot of alcohol.

The association also pointed to a health authority report which showed there were almost 10 times as many reported incidents involving alcohol.

In Amsterdam in 2005 the health authorities were called 125 times for mushroom-related incidents, while they treated 2,056 cases where alcohol was involved.


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Re: Netherlands BANS Shrooms [Re: veggie]
    #7568120 - 10/27/07 09:58 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Dutch protest at magic mushroom ban
October 27, 2007 - Reuters

PROTESTORS turned out on Amsterdam's central Dam Square today, hoping to stop the Government from banning magic mushrooms and asking to "save the 'shrooms".

Carrying banners reading “When will they ban bread?” and “Boss of your own brain”, more than 100 people, some wearing hats resembling the bright red cap of the popular fly agaric variety, protested to keep hallucinogenic mushrooms legal.

After several incidents involving tourists - in March, a French teenager jumped to her death from a bridge after taking mushrooms - the Dutch Government plans to ban them.

Arno Adelaars, author of a book on magic mushrooms, said this would only drive users underground and what was needed instead was better information how to use mushrooms right.

“It's only foreigners who have this problem, the Dutch don't because they have good information,” he said.

“Amsterdam is like a pilgrimage for youngsters in Europe, they come here to get high in all kinds of ways.

“The typical young tourist that comes here drinks an awful lot of beer, smokes an awful lot of grass, and then takes mushrooms.

"That's the recipe for disaster.”

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Re: Netherlands BANS Shrooms [Re: veggie]
    #7571583 - 10/29/07 12:22 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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"People are looking for thrills and they will try to find them elsewhere like with illegal LSD, which is a lot stronger. It's mad. You have a lot more control if you take magic mushrooms."





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