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Re: Suicide house [Re: four20snakeman]
    #7514398 - 10/14/07 01:01 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Suicide house [Re: four20snakeman]
    #7514418 - 10/14/07 01:14 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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PLEASE HELP, this is very serious as i have a 25 month old son. it seems they are more susceptible to spirits, especially the benevolent ones.




I believe the word you are looking for is malevolent.. not benevolent. Big difference.
At any rate.. I would excise within your own belief system for sure. In addition there are many cleansing rituals you may try to neutralize any latent negative energies that may have attached themselves to objects. The best one I have tried involves visualizing the house and everything within it being showered upon by a golden rain - like golden rays of light. Visualize the rain saturating everything and rinsing away into the Earth.. bringing with it all previous attachments of energy and rejuvenating the area with a new spirit and peace.


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Re: Suicide house [Re: eve69]
    #7514421 - 10/14/07 01:16 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Heres some ideas, there are reasons behind them, but we can discuss these in other threads.

First find out sensitive information (since you already have a source) Learn things about the person (neighbors etc) such as favorite activities. Was he a scotch drinker? I would crack a fifth and have a few with him. Pour his snifter out on the floor. If he was a smoker leave a pack and some matches on the porch. These activities present a similar energy. You are not making amends with his spirit you are presenting your knowledge of the presence of spiritual residue. A suicide is an escape, why would a conscious spirit wish to remain out of free will? Now considering this energy may be bound to the house or area a few environmental modifications revitalize positive energy.

Celebrate religious habbits. For me this include praying before bed, and putting up decorations such as Christmas trees, pumpkins, and crucifixes. Don't believe in these things? it doesn't matter. Just take some time and use the traditional things. Bleach water and Lysol everything: the walls the floors, the appliances and especially the hard to reach spots. Your goal is to make the house SMELL different. Add glade plug ins when your done with that, also feel free to use lemon scented pin sol, smelly baking soda when you vacuum etc..

Fresh paint is encouraged, especially in the room where the death occurred and where you sleep. Strong primary shades are best, i like blue. Paint with tones not pastels.

Burn candles and incense regularly for the first year or two.

Do not allow negative energy in your home :earth:


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Re: Suicide house [Re: eve69]
    #7514425 - 10/14/07 01:17 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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http://www.hindupurohit.com/homamdetails.asp?serviceid=141


This is a powerful tantric.




That looks like a site trying to sell me an online service. I am looking for sites that talk about what different religions do in cases such as mine. the step after that will be choosing what to go with, from locals of course. I would feel a lot better talking to or having a real person in my house than i would just sending money to a website and hoping they do what they say.

But thanks for the link of course.


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Re: Suicide house [Re: Shroomism]
    #7514447 - 10/14/07 01:24 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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I believe the word you are looking for is malevolent.. not benevolent. Big difference.





You are correct. i had it right in different post above, but with the shroomery being down i did not realize that i had mistyped the first post.

Thanks heaps for the headsup, I just corrected it.


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Re: Suicide house [Re: four20snakeman]
    #7514475 - 10/14/07 01:36 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

It is your decision of course, but I would probably advise against trying to get to know what the person was like or talking to neighbors at length about it - it may be a touchy subject. Of course if you end up talking to neighbors and they bring it up that may be different. But I really don't see how it will help matters any to learn about what went on in the mind of a violent and suicidal person.

I would also suggest that bringing in an outside person to help cleanse the area may be completely unneccessary.. although if that would make you feel better then by all means. However, you are the one that will be living there so I would suggest that you take the steps neccessary to make sure that your 'domain' as it were, is safe and neutralized, whatever that may be.

If it is a 'lost soul' you are concerned about, which is what it sounds like.. and is sometimes the case with sudden and violent departures from the material, there are those who are trained to help guide lost spirits to their place on the other side. Sometimes the spirit becomes confused and lingers on in the material realm, however that is not very often the case with suicides.


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Re: Suicide house [Re: four20snakeman]
    #7514489 - 10/14/07 01:44 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Does this plan sound about right?
1 Move in
2 share some similarities, the examples above were scotch and smokes. i do know woodworking was a hobby of the guy, and i know my way around a jigsaw.
3 start changing house; smells, look, laughter, generally just make it my own by making it my healthy loving household.
4 If things need to go a step further talk to religious/spiritual leaders in my area.


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Re: Suicide house [Re: four20snakeman]
    #7514518 - 10/14/07 01:57 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Just curious but why would you want to share similarities of the guy? You are a different soul. Make it your own home. Be who you are.

Other than that sounds good. I would cleanse the place before you move in as best as you can. Visualizations, smudge with some sage, incense, incantations.. whatever it is that you do. Purge and Purify the place of all negative energies before you move in. As said previously young children are especially receptive to such forces.


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Re: Suicide house [Re: Shroomism]
    #7514537 - 10/14/07 02:03 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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...I would also suggest that bringing in an outside person to help cleanse the area may be completely unneccessary.. although if that would make you feel better then by all means. ...
If it is a 'lost soul' you are concerned about, which is what it sounds like.. and is sometimes the case with sudden and violent departures from the material, there are those who are trained to help guide lost spirits to their place on the other side. Sometimes the spirit becomes confused and lingers on in the material realm, however that is not very often the case with suicides.





You sound like a person of wisdom.:thumbup:


I just want to make sure this guy has no reach to my son.  I believe the child's mind is more in tune to other planes of existence.

Can you clear up why you said "Sometimes the spirit becomes confused and lingers on in the material realm, however that is not very often the case with suicides." and what it means. Mostly why it isn't usually the case in suicides.  thanks in advance.  and again :thumbup: on the wise post.


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Re: Suicide house [Re: Shroomism]
    #7514550 - 10/14/07 02:11 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Just curious but why would you want to share similarities of the guy? You are a different soul. Make it your own home. Be who you are.





I was just trying to put together different advice from this post. It was said above to acknowledge the spiritual residue. I took that as acknowledging the spirit was once a person with things they liked to do or not do, before asking it to leave my space.


I have never done this before. Im not a real religious person, but i believe in a lot of paranormal things. i dont know how to classify what i believe. My beliefs go as far as try to do good and be a kind person to those around.


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Re: Suicide house [Re: four20snakeman]
    #7514555 - 10/14/07 02:14 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Sorry to impose but someone who kills them self feels like there is no way out.. like they are trapped in this moment and have to get out by taking there life.. That is what causes them to be trapped " in your home or whatever" I don't really feel there is any way to help them unless you become connected to them in some way... and I know you probably hate my post from before but I think that children are pure and are immune from such spirits..


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Re: Suicide house [Re: Walter1496211]
    #7514574 - 10/14/07 02:25 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I dont hate your post, in fact i went back and re-read your posts in this thread and see nothing that would indicate you as a 9 horned demon from the cold sun of another hell.


But i do disagree with you on the children being immune from bad spirits. I think bad spirits can cause harm to a child just the same as a good spirit will incite happiness.


A story that needs a different thread, but my son told me the other day "daddy look, have angels, daddy have angels" he said this out of know where, while looking around me, not at me me but around me.


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Re: Suicide house [Re: four20snakeman]
    #7514580 - 10/14/07 02:31 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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But i do disagree with you on the children being immune from bad spirits. I think bad spirits can cause harm to a child just the same as a good spirit will incite happiness.






I will believe for you then I will hope for your son... I am sure he will be fine IMO like I said I am a happy person I think kids can overcome lots.


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Re: Suicide house [Re: four20snakeman]
    #7514582 - 10/14/07 02:32 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Can you clear up why you said "Sometimes the spirit becomes confused and lingers on in the material realm, however that is not very often the case with suicides." and what it means. Mostly why it isn't usually the case in suicides.  thanks in advance.  and again :thumbup: on the wise post.




You're very welcome. I will attempt to elucidate.. what I meant from that.. is that oftentimes a soul may be in a state of immaturity, extremely attached to the material realm. In this state, if an entity meets with a very sudden and unexpected death, they may not fully grasp it and attempt to "latch on" to the physical realm, continuing on as if they were still incarnate in a material body, even though they are not. These are referred to as "lost souls" because they do not come to terms with dying and became confused and did not move on to the other side as they should. In these situations it is usually a case of the entity either finding it's way back home on it's own, or sometimes a guide in the physical realm can help guide it back to the halfway point where it can meet its spirit guide to take it the rest of the way to the other side.

In the case of suicides, death is almost always quite expected - and especially in the case of those who are violent - they know exactly what they are doing although they may not be fully aware of the consequences. Although oftentimes the suicidal are often very confused, they very rarely result in a lost soul as they are usually very quickly whisked to the other side to begin their "meditation" before they are reincarnated into a new body to learn the same lessons over again, only in a more extreme manner.


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Re: Suicide house [Re: four20snakeman]
    #7514597 - 10/14/07 02:39 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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I was just trying to put together different advice from this post.  It was said above to acknowledge the spiritual residue.  I took that as acknowledging the spirit was once a person with things they liked to do or not do, before asking it to leave my space.

I have never done this before.  Im not a real religious person, but i believe in a lot of paranormal things. i dont know how to classify what i believe. My beliefs go as far as try to do good and be a kind person to those around.




Those beliefs are all you need really.. stick with them. :thumbup: Be good to yourself and good to others. Because love is all that is truly important.
As far as acknowledging the spirit goes, do so. Wish it peace and respectfully send it off to where it belongs, out of love.. if that is the case. However there is probably no need for you to share similarities. One does not need previous experience in dealing with disembodied spirits - if that is the case - to help it off to the other side.
Far more likely I would think, is that the house itself is embedded with negative energy and needs to be cleansed. Inanimate objects have a big tendency to collect and store energy that is projected into them, this is especially true for living quarters, as any sensitive and receptive person can attest when they visit different places. People's homes and objects absorb the energy they put out. This energy can collect, and just as a home can be wonderful and uplifting.. it can also harbor very repressive and dark energies.
As is the case with any situation, follow your heart and spirit and you will know the right thing to do.


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Re: Suicide house [Re: Shroomism]
    #7514610 - 10/14/07 02:45 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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I was just trying to put together different advice from this post.  It was said above to acknowledge the spiritual residue.  I took that as acknowledging the spirit was once a person with things they liked to do or not do, before asking it to leave my space.

I have never done this before.  Im not a real religious person, but i believe in a lot of paranormal things. i dont know how to classify what i believe. My beliefs go as far as try to do good and be a kind person to those around.




Those beliefs are all you need really.. stick with them. :thumbup: Be good to yourself and good to others. Because love is all that is truly important.
As far as acknowledging the spirit goes, do so. Wish it peace and respectfully send it off to where it belongs, out of love.. if that is the case. However there is probably no need for you to share similarities. One does not need previous experience in dealing with disembodied spirits - if that is the case - to help it off to the other side.
Far more likely I would think, is that the house itself is embedded with negative energy and needs to be cleansed. Inanimate objects have a big tendency to collect and store energy that is projected into them, this is especially true for living quarters, as any sensitive and receptive person can attest when they visit different places. People's homes and objects absorb the energy they put out. This energy can collect, and just as a home can be wonderful and uplifting.. it can also harbor very repressive and dark energies.
As is the case with any situation, follow your heart and spirit and you will know the right thing to do. 




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Re: Suicide house [Re: Shroomism]
    #7514667 - 10/14/07 03:15 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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...Inanimate objects have a big tendency to collect and store energy that is projected into them, this is especially true for living quarters, as any sensitive and receptive person can attest when they visit different places. People's homes and objects absorb the energy they put out. This energy can collect, and just as a home can be wonderful and uplifting.. it can also harbor very repressive and dark energies.
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Should I get rid of his wood working tools that were left behind or keep them, they will be mine when the closing papers go through.

I kinda get the feeling that doing his woodworking is what got him away from the stresses of life. So i imagine them bringing the guy happiness.


What about furniture? He left behind a couple couches and computer desks.


Of course everything that is still in the house was gone through buy a trauma clean up team. All of the stuff in the house that was dirtied when he did the deed that one day was removed and deep cleaned. Read that as the house has no biohazardous stuff leftover.


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Re: Suicide house [Re: four20snakeman]
    #7514709 - 10/14/07 04:04 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Totally up to you man. Really, it's just stuff.. physical things. If you inherited it buying the house so be it, make them your own. There's not much difference between a used computer desk bought off Ebay and one from a dead man. But I still stand by my thought that physical things do collect the energy of the conscious beings who once used them. Sage is an herb that is commonly used to smudge objects/rooms to "purify" them. There are many different types of cleansing rituals you can do to help ease your mind. You need not have any type of religion or follow any specific guidelines.. but here are some links to common rituals that may give you some ideas
http://www.ancientworlds.net/aw/Post/398676
http://ambrosiasrealms.tripod.com/cleansing.htm
http://www.brigids-haven.com/bos/beginner/cleansing.html


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Re: Suicide house [Re: four20snakeman]
    #7517252 - 10/14/07 08:01 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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I will be purchasing a house in the near future that a man committed suicide in.

I don't know where to start with this question. I know the guy was a loner, he lived there alone. His girlfriend/wife was over sometimes, he was violent to her. I know for a fact that he threw her through the bedroom wall.

He ended his life in the main room of the house. Single shotgun blast to the cranium.

My question is, should i excise the house according to his religion or mine?


Keep in mind that he was violent during his short stay here on the mortal plane. I don't want him extending his malevolence to my plane of existence.

I don't know exactly what his beliefs were, but i could figure them out by talking to neighbors/relatives. Does the spiritual world respond more to their beliefs or the belief of the mortal that is trying to rid his space of them?


I only worry about this because he seems to have been a violent person and left this mortal world in a sudden and violent way. From what i read this is the type of soul to most fear.


PLEASE HELP, this is very serious as i have a 25 month old son. it seems they are more susceptible to spirits, especially the malevolent ones.




I highly recommend not living in this house.


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Re: Suicide house [Re: Icelander]
    #7517568 - 10/14/07 09:31 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I don't want to be unhelpful, and I can't believe I am agreeing with Icelander (a rarity) but it does seem as if this house has you more than a little upset.

If you go into this move so obsessed with what happened in it's past instead of excited about your future you in a way are drawing those bad "vibes" your way. I do agree about children however and their openness, so be careful what you say around that little guy. Don't unintentionally put ideas in his head. Especially such negative ones.

If nothing else, do the cleansings/blessings before you move in. And move in with an attitude of hope and joy. Of new beginnings.


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