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Cacophony
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fruiting with bags
#7511212 - 10/11/07 11:06 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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hey guys, I've been curious about mush bags, and have recently decided to try my luck with a few 2lb grain bags. If I fruit directly in these bags will I get relatively equal results as compared to casing and putting in a terrarium? I would also like to know if my grow would be better suited with horse poo substrate bags instead. any suggestions (aside from buy a pressure cooker and jars) will be greatly appreciated. Ive been on these forums reading for years, however ambiguity and uncertainty are taking a toll on me right now - I have a short window to test this knowledge out, and would like nothing more than to see some of this work! great thanks, C
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Re: fruiting with bags [Re: Cacophony]
#7511249 - 10/11/07 11:15 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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"search" bags...
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Cacophony
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Im new to posting, however I made it evident that I have come to the shroomery for years. I have seen enough "go search it" responses to save people the hassle, and search before i post.
look up "myco bags", "mushroom bags", "grain bags"... and tell me what you find? I could not find any answers that i needed. For example - a picture of full mushrooms within a closed bag, growing beautifully, then another post sometime after calling to cut the bags top off to grow...see what Im saying? clarification is golden and i am happily only human, sometimes ya cant weed through the ambiguity. did my best.
Edited by Cacophony (10/12/07 12:21 AM)
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monstermitch
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Re: fruiting with bags [Re: Cacophony]
#7511432 - 10/12/07 12:35 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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The only thing is that these aren't from 2lb grain bags.
Myco Bags Grain Bags Mushroom Bags
There, now these pictures will appear in your search.
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Cacophony
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hah thanks monstermitch! clears up whether or not to cut the bags 
what do you guys think though, would I benefit from casing with a layer of vermiculite, or will a few flushes do fine with a bag-dunk (just dumping in a glass or two of cold water into the bags after a flush)? thanks, c
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Re: fruiting with bags [Re: Cacophony]
#7512150 - 10/13/07 01:54 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Uncased grains are poor fruiters. You need to spawn them to manure, or at least put a casing layer over the grain after it fully colonizes. The bag can be your fruiting environment, but cut some slits or holes in it for air exchange. RR
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the pictures shown are from manure based bags. not from grain bags.
manure based bags designed to be directly inoculated, not spawned to.
the top pictures are from a 2 pound bag, the bottom ones from a 4 pound bag.
ALL fruiting was done in the SEALED bags, with no casing, no cut slits, just a normal filter patch bag.





these are all the top bag from the above post before it was harvested for the first time. after the harvest, just dunk, put back in the bag, fold over and clip the top, and let it flush again. simple as pie.
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#7513261 - 10/13/07 07:34 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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monstermitch
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yes, lack of water is the problem. no, misting will not solve this problem, only the addition of either casing or bulk substrate material will truly help.
most bags sold out there are grain, the bags shown in my pictures are rare and unique. They're signature substrate bags.
and no, grain bags do not fruit well in-vitro. Any bags you see fruiting well in-vitro are most likely not grain bags, they're most likely substrate bags.
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#7513395 - 10/13/07 08:15 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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monstermitch
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in the case you're in, I would do as RR suggested personally. at full colonization of the rye, I would open the bag. I would add a casing layer to the top of it, and block the light from the bottom and sides. I would seal the top of the bag back up a bit by folding it over and holding it closed with a couple of paper clips. I would make a few small slits in the bag.
that would probably be your best chance for success.
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Cacophony
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thanks for the responses guys! Do you feel that I would get a better yield with five grain bags 3lbs each (not spawned to just directly inoculated) with a casing of vermiculite/sides blocked from light. OR two horse manure substrate bags 5lbs each???
thanks, c
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monstermitch
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Re: fruiting with bags [Re: Cacophony]
#7513488 - 10/13/07 08:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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no question in my book: the manure bags.
depends on what's in the bags heavily though.
especially if you're doing in-vitro.
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I am currently doing invitro poo bags myself, just wondering what temp you fruited those at monstermitch? Also, how much did you put in each bag weight wise?
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monstermitch
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normal room temps for both colonization and fruiting. normal room lighting for both colonization and fruiting.
each bag has about 4.5 pounds in it.


I have pictures of probably over 100 bags that came out just like this.
these are nothing fancy. just multispore EQ and PE.
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UnknownMycophile
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How many cc's of spores are you shooting your bags up with?
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acommunistspy said: hmm so you can just inoculate pure poo/straw bags with nothing else in them? i always thought that you had to spawn them with some sort of grain.
you thought right. you need to use colonized grains to spawn. you can't inoculate poo or a poo grain mixture.
edit: actually you might be able to get away with a PF style jar with abit of poo mixed in, but poo is supposed to be pasteurized not sterilized.
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monstermitch
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Quote:
headieherbs said: you thought right. you need to use colonized grains to spawn. you can't inoculate poo or a poo grain mixture.
edit: actually you might be able to get away with a PF style jar with abit of poo mixed in, but poo is supposed to be pasteurized not sterilized.
no, you're wrong. you do NOT need spawn to inoculate my signature substrate bags. in fact, using spawn could ruin them. my signature substrate bags are manure, grain and other secret ingredients that make it more than possible.
and you're also wrong that poo is to be pasteurized, not sterilized. it depends 100% on the application.
every single fruit on this table and in my hand was grown from inoculating signature substrate bags with Liquid Culture. 30cc's of LC into each bag.


your information is old and outdated. I'm starting a revolution here, you just haven't realized it yet.
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yea but liquid culture isn't the same as a spore solution
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