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Optimal Martha
    #7510514 - 10/11/07 08:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Hey Guys,

I would like to discuss everyones idea of an optimal martha setup. I will start by giving the specs on mine. I have a small 2-shelf system with a coolmist on the outside pumping humid air in. This is on 24/7 giving me lots of FAE and my RH hovers around 98. Finally I have timer for a CFL on 12/12.

I find that with this setup my casings dry out rather fast regardless of the RH being at 98. I usually mist once daily to keep my casing well hydrated. If I leave them for more then 2 days, without misting, they would be getting very dry in appearance.

This brings me to my main point. I have to continue this misting through the fruiting cycle. Meaning that my fruits usually get a good mist on top. I make sure I fan really well before putting it back in the martha in order to prevent aborts.

With all this said, I have had some really great grows with HUGE first flushes. My last first flush weighed in at 5oz dry from a 11qt tray on coir/coffee. My subsequent flushes are another story. I find them very sporadic and badly timed.

Finally this brings me to my line of questioning. Is my setup optimal or should I look at moving my coolmist inside and simply cutting some vent holes? This would cut down on the drying.

I am aware that evaporation is a good thing and stimulates pinning. How much evaporation is too much? Should I let my casings dry out at all or always keep them at the same moisture level?

Sorry for this long winded post but hopefully I got my point across and provoke some lively discussion. :grin:

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Re: Optimal Martha [Re: theratatat]
    #7510544 - 10/11/07 08:15 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I have a Coolmist AND a Ultra Sonic in my martha closet. US on for 3 minutes every 2 hours and the Coolmist is on in 4 hour rips with a hour break in between. only seemed to have drying problems when i jokingly put a cake in there, it always seemed dry. (the cake i mean)


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Re: Optimal Martha [Re: Funkatron9000]
    #7510849 - 10/11/07 09:11 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

God bless that wonderful woman. Nothin but love for my marthaI have just the one shelf so far but plan on building 4 total.

...Vicks Ultra Sonic attached to humidity controller that keeps RH around 95%. Let me add that my US is outside the martha. I took the white director cap off, liquid nailed a tupperware top with 1/2" hose fastened with a barb. I found out that the clothes rod hole when hollowed out makes an air tight fit for the hose to poke thru and give plenty of support
...Double output 2800cc per minute pump running 24/7
...2 100 watt spiral fluorescent bulbs running 12/12 w/ reflecters that run incredibly cold. I mean not even a hint of temp rise and I have this all shoved in a closet

I am a noob and have just put my first two casings (staggered) in and the first one is fruiting quite nicely. Can't wait till I start the next batch with my first LC


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Re: Optimal Martha [Re: KCizzle]
    #7510879 - 10/11/07 09:19 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Let me also add that the US keeps my castings at what seems the perfect moisture (uber damp to the touch) so I haven't seen the need to mist but I am reall new so I could just not know what I'm doing lol. Guess we'll find out in a week.


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Re: Optimal Martha [Re: Funkatron9000]
    #7510886 - 10/11/07 09:20 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

IMO having the coolmist inside your martha with vents is the best way to go. Sounds like you have it down to an RH science, the only problem with that is the RH is relative to your climate and location. 95% RH should be good enough for casings. (check the RH meter)


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Re: Optimal Martha [Re: blueshroprachaun]
    #7513075 - 10/13/07 06:33 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Anyone got any other recommendations?


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    #7513123 - 10/13/07 06:52 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Optimal Martha [Re: spock1]
    #7513251 - 10/13/07 07:31 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

You want your casing layer to dry a bit between mistings. This is one of the major secondary pinning triggers. Replace that lost moisture with misting. An ultrasonic can easily saturate the casing layer, taking away this major pinning trigger. I'd go from misting once a day to three or four times, and keep the air exchange up, provided you have mid to upper 90's humidity.
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Re: Optimal Martha [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7513579 - 10/13/07 09:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Roger: I find that misting is analogous with watering house plants. Something you have to really develop a feel for. I realize that light misting should be done more often, rather then heavy misting less. I no longer run an ultrasonic I find that the coolmist is more then adequate for the task.

I have indeed noticed that days where my casing got pretty died out, the next day I had good primordia forming. Its after that I run into the gray area. Should I mist with forming primorida? Mist with fruits? In the end I guess it all comes down to trial and error.

Some of these topics I realize that there is no use in discussing as in the end its the experience that is going to get you farther ahead.

Thanks for the response
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Re: Optimal Martha [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7792801 - 12/23/07 02:46 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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You want your casing layer to dry a bit between mistings. This is one of the major secondary pinning triggers. Replace that lost moisture with misting. An ultrasonic can easily saturate the casing layer, taking away this major pinning trigger. I'd go from misting once a day to three or four times, and keep the air exchange up, provided you have mid to upper 90's humidity.
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So no Ultra sonic, just a cool mist and misting 3-4 times a day?


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    #7793028 - 12/23/07 04:07 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Optimal Martha [Re: spock1]
    #7793172 - 12/23/07 04:49 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

In case you want to try an alternative to a martha and are handy with tools, check out this contraption I came up with. So far it is 100% successful and fully automated. Just set it and forget it! http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7281980#7281980

This was the first real test.http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7479387#7479387

Just an idea for ya all. I've never really thought about doing a Martha, but if I did I would apply the same principals on a larger scale.


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Re: Optimal Martha [Re: The shroomy 1]
    #7793192 - 12/23/07 04:54 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

How much did that cost?


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Re: Optimal Martha [Re: BUDDHA_702]
    #7793204 - 12/23/07 04:58 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Around 73.00 US. The most expensive part was the fogger. It was 50.00 at PetSmart.


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