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Randy Couture leaves the UFC in order to follow Fedor
    #7509643 - 10/11/07 04:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Huge HUGE news in the world of MMA.

Randy dropped his contract and the 2 remaining fights left on it, once news came that Fedor had signed with M-1.


I think this is actually good for the sport. With the UFC monopolizing MMA, we were left with a pretty limited resort on concentrated fighter talent.

This is a huge step in developing a free agency market in MMA, where fighters have a greater say in the terms of their contracts.


It also reveals the UFC's poor treatment and payment of fighters, something that the front office has been trying to disclose for the past 5-6 years. But an issue that could never be ignored with similar incidences with former champions dissatisfied with their treatment by the UFC.

Murilo Bustamante, BJ Penn, Jens Pulver, Frank Shamrock, just to name some of the major examples of this.



MORE POWER TO THE FIGHTERS!!


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Re: Randy Couture leaves the UFC in order to follow Fedor [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #7509654 - 10/11/07 04:50 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

cool that he's going for fedor

it will be a sad day when the $ becomes more important than the sport, as it inevitably will


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Re: Randy Couture leaves the UFC in order to follow Fedor [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #7509772 - 10/11/07 05:22 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

:eek:

Don't surf  the internet for 2 weeks and the MMA world is completly different.Wtf is going on with this M-1 stuff.

This is a interesting age of MMA for sure i think the best fighters are far from getting here might not even be born but it sure is exiting right now.:strokebeard:


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Re: Randy Couture leaves the UFC in order to follow Fedor [Re: sucklesworth]
    #7510246 - 10/11/07 07:18 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

it's some interesting shit for sure...

Randy is clearly the UFC's current biggest star, it's going to be strange to see how people react to his absence.


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Re: Randy Couture leaves the UFC in order to follow Fedor [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #7511060 - 10/11/07 10:19 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

this is going to be happening more and more. dana and the UFC are greedy and really dont treat a lot of fighters like they should be. mma has no union, fighters dont have healthcare, the minimum for fights even in the UFC is a paltry $3k. thing is, everyone sees the UFC raking in $$$$. ufc is making more money on PPV and sponsors than WWE and Boxing. However fighters get paid less than stupid WWE wrestlers and MUCH less than boxers. where is the UFC putting all of its money if not into fighter purses?? check out dana's private jet.... randy isnt going to be the only fighter heading out for greener pastures. Arlovski is on the outs as well. There are going to be enough top 10 fighters around eventually for another company to compete.

mark cuban and his upstart thing want to get fighters healthcare and mainstream endorsements like Nike. they wanna habdle MMA more professionally. Dana has given MMA a pro-wrestling like appeal. that's why he's getting sponsered by mickey's malt liquor and not Nike


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Re: Randy Couture leaves the UFC in order to follow Fedor [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #7512071 - 10/13/07 01:34 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I can't believe that Randy took those shots at the UFC and resigned. I always thought he was a UFC golden boy on the level of chuck and was treated as such. DW needs to get shit canned and someone with actual sports business experience needs to come in to take over the helm. DW's shit talking about fedor was hilarious though.

also haha at ufc belts

HW - vacant
LHW - pride fighter
MW - pride fighter
WW - TUF fighter(no defense for 10 months)
LW - vacant

And people always complained about pride's belts
2007 is so fucked up.

edit: i put l and w in wrong place even though I got descending order right


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Re: Randy Couture leaves the UFC in order to follow Fedor [Re: d33p]
    #7512394 - 10/13/07 03:28 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

WW is serra
LW is vacant if sherk loses his appeal, which i think he will

joe silva and dana have sucked cock with the cards coming up. seriously, 78 is absolute GARBAGE, evans vs bisping is the headliner. when he has all sorts of fighters benched who are waiting for fights. AA, Nog, BJ Penn vs Stevenson ..fuck dana


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Re: Randy Couture leaves the UFC in order to follow Fedor [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #7512445 - 10/13/07 03:51 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Really,

my interest in MMA took a huge plunge with the decline of pride.

it has nothing to do with organization nuthuggery, considering my all time favorite fighter is frank shamrock...

it just has to do with being left with the UFC's policies and dilluted fight cards in order to maximize and inflate ppv revenue.

all those TUF idiots who were rejoicing that PRIDE was gone and flamed Fedor for not signing with the UFC are getting a mouthfull of Karma right now.

I hope Cuban takes M-1 and corrects all the faults and deficiencies of the UFC. And it starts with more respectable treatment of the fighters.


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Re: Randy Couture leaves the UFC in order to follow Fedor [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #7513147 - 10/13/07 07:00 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Really,

my interest in MMA took a huge plunge with the decline of pride.

it has nothing to do with organization nuthuggery, considering my all time favorite fighter is frank shamrock...

it just has to do with being left with the UFC's policies and dilluted fight cards in order to maximize and inflate ppv revenue.

all those TUF idiots who were rejoicing that PRIDE was gone and flamed Fedor for not signing with the UFC are getting a mouthfull of Karma right now.

I hope Cuban takes M-1 and corrects all the faults and deficiencies of the UFC. And it starts with more respectable treatment of the fighters.




Dude, WTF are you talking about?

Masa White is giving us our long awaited dream match up of Bisping vs Evans as the main event on 78. How are you not excited? I'm shitting myself with joy.


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Re: Randy Couture leaves the UFC in order to follow Fedor [Re: d33p]
    #7513174 - 10/13/07 07:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

lol


yes i can't wait for a future of MMA under the roof of an organization that can't even keep it's champions


yay, so glad pride is gone, screw all you blind pride nuthuggers....UFC pwns all.


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Re: Randy Couture leaves the UFC in order to follow Fedor [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #7513287 - 10/13/07 07:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

You can tell Dana White got wedgies at school. He runs a billion dollar company like a "power" drunk Hall Monitor.:suicide:


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Re: Randy Couture leaves the UFC in order to follow Fedor [Re: buckwheat]
    #7516503 - 10/14/07 04:28 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

supposedly dana white was lorenzo fertita's enforcer/bodyguard while they were in high school...lol @ dana


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Re: Randy Couture leaves the UFC in order to follow Fedor [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #7518071 - 10/14/07 11:34 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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It also reveals the UFC's poor treatment and payment of fighters




There is a fine line though I think. I agree that the organization is being greedy, especially with the amount of profit being made.

Some of those profits definetely need to be going into a top notch health insurance plan for the fighters. A SLIGHT pay increase is needed as well.

But I definetely don't think the fighters need to be making the ridiculous amounts of money boxers have in the past. That would take the current situation to all new level of "lame".


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Re: Randy Couture leaves the UFC in order to follow Fedor [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #7522817 - 10/16/07 12:00 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

He won't be able to fight Fedor, at least for 2 years or some shit. If you read Dana's statement, he clearly states that Randy wouldn't be able to fight Fedor because "he's still under contract with me".

It sounds to me like he would pursue legal action against him if he tried to.


EDIT - Well after I did some reading, I see it is Randy that's claiming he only has 9 months left, but Dana was questioned directly about that and he said it wasn't true. I guess we'll see what happens.

I did find it a little humorous that Dana decided to peg this as a "retirement" to which Randy denied and said it was a "resignation."


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Re: Randy Couture leaves the UFC in order to follow Fedor [Re: Spooge]
    #7522924 - 10/16/07 12:30 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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ZoooftheMoon said:

A SLIGHT pay increase is needed as well.

But I definetely don't think the fighters need to be making the ridiculous amounts of money boxers have in the past. That would take the current situation to all new level of "lame".




Why?

What do you have against these guys making monies?


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Re: Randy Couture leaves the UFC in order to follow Fedor [Re: Spooge]
    #7523095 - 10/16/07 01:05 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Considering the shelf life of someone thiskind of career is USUALLY relatively short, fighters definitely deserve higher pay than they currently get.


There's only a handfull of fighters in the UFC who even get paid enough to support themselves. 90% of the fighters on a card don't make anything above $30,000 per fight, which is pretty damn miniscule considering

1. alot of that money goes to the trainers, camps, agents

2. most ufc fighters only fight 3-4 times a year.



The problem isn't in the fighters who make good money, the problem is with all the up and coming undercard fighters who get paid jack shit @ $2,500 per fight, $2,500 per win, for putting their bodies on the line every time they step into the octagon.


What made Pride more favorable to the fighters had more to do with the consistency of pay across the board. The grand majority of pride fighters made a solid 5-figure salary per fight, not to mention other financial incentives, like winning tournaments, finishing fights, and freedom of endorsements/sponsors, something else the UFC hasn't allowed till recently.


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Re: Randy Couture leaves the UFC in order to follow Fedor [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7525153 - 10/16/07 08:06 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Why?

What do you have against these guys making monies?




The same reason I'm against hockey players(or any other sports player for that matter) making ridiculous amounts...it's simply just retarded.  It turns a game of passion into a game of dollars.

I do agree fully liquid.  Making 2500 a fight is ridiculous.  The UFC organization is basically giving it to all the fighters in the ass.  And not paying for health insurance is beyond comprehension almost...fucking greedy bastards.

I don't think any of these undercard fighters should be making more than 120,000 a year though, unless they fight much more than 4-5 fights.  And I don't think the big headliners should be making millions either.

This opinion goes straight across the board though for all major sports.  I think it's absoulutely ridiculous what these sports players are making...some alone making enough to feed an entire 3rd world country.

The difference in this case is that MMA hasn't quite gone down this unfortunate path...although it's already started, so I'd like to see some major changes (pay increases, but caps on amounts and the whole nine yards) instituted before it's to late.

But you and I both know that in reality, none of that will happen.

At the very least, I'd like to good medical insurance provided though, some kind of fighters union or something :wink:


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Re: Randy Couture leaves the UFC in order to follow Fedor [Re: Spooge]
    #7526115 - 10/16/07 11:35 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Where the hell do think the money should go then, if not to the fighters? You think they should cap the salaries for fighters/players and the rest goes to the owners? If the organizations are making money, it should be shared among those who helped it make the money. The more it makes, the more the participants should make.


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Re: Randy Couture leaves the UFC in order to follow Fedor [Re: HagbardCeline]
    #7526981 - 10/17/07 09:16 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I think the point he's trying to make was the same statement I made above. When the sport becomes more about $ than fighting - the fans loose.

Boxing sucks because the guys that make huge money take easy fights to keep the $ rolling in.

I'd be willing to bet 90% of boxers don't make shit either.

Its simply the huge bucks that ruin the compitition.

That being said - the fighters should make a fair cut of the profits. People don't buy UFC fights to see dana's gay ass.

Its just going to be sad when its more about $ than the sport - which is the evolution of all american sports.


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Re: Randy Couture leaves the UFC in order to follow Fedor [Re: HagbardCeline]
    #7526985 - 10/17/07 09:18 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Where the hell do think the money should go then, if not to the fighters?




how about to the people and causes that really need it?

Quote:

it should be shared among those who helped it make the money




They weren't and shouldn't be there to help "make the company money". They were there(or at least should of been there) for their passion to martial arts.

As a martial artist myself, this whole path of this money making bullshit is discouraging to the way of life that is martial arts.

UNLESS the management and it's policies are changed, I see the UFC having the same fate as boxing. It's going to be huge, it's going to get even bigger. Fighters will make ridiculous amounts of money. Owners and managers will make even more. There will be controversy upon controversy. There will be HUGE selling ppvs and crazy good fights. It's already picking up huge momentum and raking in dollars and it's only going to continue speeding up. And then it's going to hit a brick wall.


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