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OfflineDimensionX
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Re: Rape [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7511363 - 10/12/07 12:01 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

True, you technique would probably result in several baseball battings initiated by a variety of different people over a prolonged period of time.


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Re: Rape [Re: mushroomplume]
    #7511412 - 10/12/07 12:21 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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oliveplume said:
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According to the FBI, there is an extremely low amount of false rape allegations.




hmmm.... I'm not negating that rape is terrible crime, I think it is, but I think you may be over-exaggerating this some.

As a girl, I can assure you that A LOT of girls say rape to either receive money or attention. Especially in high school, girls would always claim rape when they got drunk and slept with a guy so they wouldn't seem like a slut.




Have you considered that maybe they were actually raped? How do you know they were not? They were drunk and young (and hence vulnerable.) I personally don't know of anyone who has recieved positive attention or money from claiming to be raped. In fact, the majority of people I have spoken to view telling others that they were raped as a pretty horrible experience. I've heard some viciously stupid responses to, "I have been raped." ("Are you sure you were raped?" "Don't tell anyone, you'll ruin his life!" "If I was raped I would get over it right away." "What do you mean he raped you? He seems so nice!" etc)

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You should seriously look into how many sex offenders from decades past are finally being freed thanks to DNA evidence.




I have looked into it and there are not many. (I've only heard of two in the last two years.)

I think this is a much bigger problem than you realize. Somewhere between one-in-seven and one-in-four women are sexually assaulted during their lifetime, and the vast majority of rapists are getting away with it.


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Re: Rape [Re: Ego Death]
    #7511472 - 10/12/07 01:15 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Ego Death said:
I'm not saying its right or wrong.

Theres just no denying that its part of life.




It is obvious that it's a part of life. You didn't say anything new with that. So what exactly are you trying to imply with this?


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Re: Rape [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7511501 - 10/12/07 01:40 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

that we should run the opposite direction when we see him coming in the horizon? :biggrin:


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Re: Rape [Re: Arp]
    #7511556 - 10/12/07 02:20 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

:smirk:

I'd rather not speculate on that and let him explain what he meant.


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Re: Rape [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7511558 - 10/12/07 02:22 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

well anything can be jusified in a unconventional morality system


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Re: Rape [Re: SheerTerror]
    #7511562 - 10/12/07 02:32 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I don't think that this should be discussed from a moral point of view. It makes things more ambiguous than they actually are and it doesn't serve to analyzing the matter properly. However, it is something that that induces a lot of anxiety and stress.
Therefore, unmasking the rapists seems to make a lot of sense if our purpose is to create a much accomplished and effective medium. This is a much important concern than establishing what seems to be moral and immoral.


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Re: Rape [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7511841 - 10/13/07 12:29 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

the way rape is dealt with here is a vast improvement on the ways it is dealt with in other countries at least.


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Re: Rape [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7513898 - 10/13/07 10:33 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

its funny how much animals rape other animals dogs being a great example or monkies or cats


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you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours


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Re: Rape [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #7513999 - 10/13/07 10:56 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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MushmanTheManic said:
To illustrate my point:

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July 29, 2007 12:00am

VICTIMS of rape and child abuse are being advised not to report the matter to police or pursue the crime in court because it will cause them further pain.

Counselling services and support networks say seeking justice for sexual assault in NSW courts rarely results in a successful prosecution.

Support group Advocates For Survivors Of Child Abuse told a recent parliamentary inquiry that victims would experience further trauma if they took the case to court.

"When people are making contact with healthcare workers, domestic violence centres or rape crisis centres, they are generally being advised not to go to the police because the likelihood is that if they do they will actually be exposed to further harm in the court system and they are unlikely to get a good result,'' director Michael Salter said.

"We feel it is important that sexual assault victims are provided with realistic advice regarding the conduct of rape trials and the likelihood of conviction.''

NSW Rape Crisis Centre Karen Willis said it is important to empower victims by allowing them to make their own decision about reporting rapes and sexual offences to police.

She said counsellors did paint a realistic picture, warning victims that the court process could be "soul-destroying'' and could take years.

Figures show only 10 per cent of sexual offences are reported to police, with only one per cent of these resulting in a successful prosecution.

Volunteers and Witnesses of Crime Court Support co-ordinator, Pieta Thornton prepares victims to face court, arming them with the knowledge that defence lawyers will tell them they are liars.

Ms Thornton said this experience can be extremely difficult for victims, with one girl too traumatised to give evidence in court.




You'd think this would be a civil rights issue that nearly everyone was concerned about... but it is not. I suspect most people just have their heads up their ass.




'Foot in mouth and head up asshole what'cha talkin bout??'

How do you fix it is the question.
Determinism is a bitch.
Obelisk??
Reflecting pool??
Collective shit I don't want to deal with.
Now its in my face.
Oh, what to do. Seriously.


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Re: Rape [Re: backfromthedead]
    #7514003 - 10/13/07 10:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Is psychic rape real??
Those thoughts need to go.
Now.


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Re: Rape [Re: backfromthedead]
    #7514011 - 10/13/07 10:58 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

succubi exist


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"You all are just  puppets... You have no heart...and cannot feel any pain...""
you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours


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Re: Rape [Re: thedudenj]
    #7514037 - 10/13/07 11:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Incubus??
Great guitar playing.
And vocals, dang.


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Re: Rape [Re: backfromthedead]
    #7514056 - 10/13/07 11:12 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

No no not incubus, succubus :lol:


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All this time I've loved you
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And searched this human race
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Re: Rape [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7514077 - 10/13/07 11:18 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

well they are synonymous but i havent encountered a girl that transforms into a man{other then tyrannies}. I'm going by straight my experiences and those of people i know in modern day to the phenomena. Usually involves sleep paralysis and feeling like someones doing stuff to you or feelings of being touched or bitten in a sexually replusive way


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you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours


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Re: Rape [Re: thedudenj]
    #7514513 - 10/14/07 01:54 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

""You all are just puppets... You have no heart...and cannot feel any pain...""
you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours.

Agreed.:shrug:
I feel it in my head.
What a headache.


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Re: Rape [Re: backfromthedead]
    #7514702 - 10/14/07 03:49 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

*DELETED*

Heh..


Edited by four20snakeman (10/14/07 09:16 PM)


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Re: Rape [Re: four20snakeman]
    #7514842 - 10/14/07 06:31 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i know the problem. i have one of those UPS digital signature devices and make sure the ladies sign it before i let them experience the power and strength of mr happy :naughty:

:biggrin:


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Re: Rape [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #7514872 - 10/14/07 06:48 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

you may be on to something there, ice..

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MushMan said:
a small minority of moral people




I think the question goes to the heart of the issue of comparing the actions of collective humanity versus all our happy ideals of what we could/should be, or are. 

I think an answer  may lie in the possibility that your small moral minority is very real, and that the rest, not part of that minority, are unable to face the harsh realities of certain human actions, and may have even perpetrated such actions themselves.

The question of rape opens up a huge doorway to the part of humanity that most of us like to ignore in order to function day-to-day.  (why is our day-to-day functioning based on ignorance?)

There seems to be a tendency to leave the unpleasant sides of our nature in the shadows...to ignore.
If every single sexual abuse /assault / rape case were openly reported or talked about like the latest sports scores, society would overnight be faced with it's status as a collection of sexually maladjusted deviants and slaves of their selfish desires, endlessly willing to desecrate someone else's only true property in the world for a brief hormone thrill.

Who wants to see themselves in a whole way?  Who wants to lift up the outer appearances and personality to examine the bugs and mold underneath?

Looking at the angle of "Authority", and who is responsible for "administering justice" in the case of some complaint...

What happens when inappropriate behavior occurs on the playground?  Someone (if not the victim, usually a member of the small moral minority) goes to tell a teacher or an adult...someone capable of handling the situation: seeing to the needs of the victim, if any, and dealing with the offender.

In the case of American and most modern western societies, our authority figure is just as fucked up as the offender, usually more so, and is even an offender in its own right.  So there we have a problem.  Our whole "justice system" runs on LIES and is mainly a revenue scheme.  The whole line about justice and making things right and paying your debt to society and blah blah blah IS ALL PUBLIC RELATIONS... it's a front with the purpose of creating the perception in your mind of legitimacy for a system based on violent coercion.

On the playground, if someone savaged you for no reason, or fondled your little sister, would you run to tell the guy with a bloodstained shirt standing under the tree holding a bottle of whiskey in one hand and a knife in the other? Or would you run to tell someone that looked a little less scary?  What if the drunken murderer under the tree was dressed up like a police officer in order to fool you into asking for his "services"?

"Society" is the playground. Our only hope for "justice", The Teacher, The Grown-Up, The Authority, is a collection of the worst rapists of all...and we submit our own potential for authority to them. 

In this context i see little hope for "justice" and lots of opportunity for radical, foundational change.

It may be helpful to:
- Examine  the individual aspects of consciousness by which we came into such a circumstance of  (a.) need for assault and  (b.) need for authority.

- Look at the aspects of consciousness by which one commits such acts (rape), and seek to remedy the problem from within rather than having Big Daddy come bash everyone over the head with a club, while stealing everyone's money, and calling it "justice".

NiamhNyx makes some great points about how we can deal with such situations...
mainly we need to create an alternative to the justice system, which requires creating an alternative to human society as we know it. ( i have no illusions about this actully happening [hope is not an illusion :smile:], i'm jus' sayin' is all...)


Edited by Clean (10/14/07 09:53 AM)


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Re: Rape [Re: Clean]
    #7516212 - 10/14/07 03:23 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Sounds messy. And here they taught us that humanity was so neat and tidy.:monkeydance:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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