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dealing with variations in potency
    #7506949 - 10/10/07 08:33 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I'm hoping to hear from RogerRabbit on this, since he's posted a lot on this subject. I understand that with the multispore approach there can be wide variations in potency between individual fruits, cakes, and flushes, but how does it average out over an entire grow? If you grind and combine the total output of a grow (from say a small newbie batch of 10 pf cakes) and put it in capsules, what are the chances of still ending up with mediocre or bunk doses?

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Re: dealing with variations in potency [Re: 5tone]
    #7506976 - 10/10/07 08:37 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i've only grown multispore. i've only had one person complain and he ate a footlong from subgay about an hour before eating the shrooms. everyone else says that they are good. every time i eat them, they're good. i haven't had a weak batch yet...


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Re: dealing with variations in potency [Re: LayYouIn]
    #7507051 - 10/10/07 08:55 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I don't think the potency varies that much. Sure some but not too much. Of course grinding everything up will make sure that you get a nice even dose but I would worry more about too strong a dose than one that's not strong enough.


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Re: dealing with variations in potency [Re: cbiegel]
    #7507740 - 10/11/07 01:52 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

What you stated about grinding up and mixing thourougly is one solution (probably the easiest).
You could also make an alcohol tincture that essentially serve the same purpose.
These teks won't alter the potency, but they will provide a standard unit of dose for you to work with.
IME they don't vary enough to be noticible anyway.


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Re: dealing with variations in potency [Re: Agave]
    #7507834 - 10/11/07 03:50 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I have never seen my friends' mushrooms to be varying in potency very much. In all honesty, if I had a strain that was so inconsistent, I would probably start working overtime on getting some better quality spores. Seems to me you may have some genetic issues, i.e. the strain you are using maybe is weak or getting there due to degradation from continuing it the wrong way?


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Re: dealing with variations in potency [Re: mebesideme]
    #7508249 - 10/11/07 09:51 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

That's good news, thanks you guys. Reading the boards I was starting to get the impression that weak grows happened pretty often. I'm getting such nice results my first time out I didn't want to be sorely disappointed when I finally get to eat some. The capsule thing seems like the way to go- I've gotten such variable results with my standard dose of street shrooms that it'll be real nice to have each batch be a known quantity.


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Re: dealing with variations in potency [Re: 5tone]
    #7508357 - 10/11/07 10:32 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Mine have been quite consistent, even with differing strains and substrates.

Street shrooms would vary more because they degrade with poor storage, and who knows where they've been.


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Re: dealing with variations in potency [Re: cbiegel]
    #7510529 - 10/11/07 08:12 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Of course grinding everything up will make sure that you get a nice even dose but I would worry more about too strong a dose than one that's not strong enough.




but you could still end up with the less potent parts by random chance...


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Re: dealing with variations in potency [Re: LayYouIn]
    #7510557 - 10/11/07 08:17 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

learn how to clone to be 100% certain. but like was stated above . i dont think multispore will vary that much because if you got the prints/syringes from a vendor or a good trader they knew how to store them and make them


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Re: dealing with variations in potency [Re: blood4blood]
    #7510594 - 10/11/07 08:24 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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i dont think multispore will vary that much because if you got the prints/syringes from a vendor or a good trader they knew how to store them and make them




i dont see how this would be relevant.


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Re: dealing with variations in potency [Re: LayYouIn]
    #7511155 - 10/11/07 10:48 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Speaking of cloning. Just a quick question. I see in alot of avatars just a massive forest of caps. Sometimes to the point where you can't even see the casing it self. Can that kind of uniformity can only be accomplished with cloning?


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Re: dealing with variations in potency [Re: LayYouIn]
    #7511160 - 10/11/07 10:49 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

If you clone a potent specimen, make a master culture, then propagate from that line, and also harvest BEFORE the veil tears, you will maximize potency.

Potency does vary from strain to strain, so experiment with several, and cultivate your favorite.


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Re: dealing with variations in potency [Re: Captain Cubensis]
    #7511418 - 10/12/07 12:25 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Captain Cubensis said:
If you clone a potent specimen, make a master culture, then propagate from that line, and also harvest BEFORE the veil tears, you will maximize potency.

Potency does vary from strain to strain, so experiment with several, and cultivate your favorite.




how is potency effected by whether the veil has torn or not?
I thought it only had to do with food quality...

please explain further.


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Re: dealing with variations in potency [Re: monstermitch]
    #7511439 - 10/12/07 12:39 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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monstermitch said:
Quote:

Captain Cubensis said:
If you clone a potent specimen, make a master culture, then propagate from that line, and also harvest BEFORE the veil tears, you will maximize potency.

Potency does vary from strain to strain, so experiment with several, and cultivate your favorite.




how is potency effected by whether the veil has torn or not?
I thought it only had to do with food quality...

please explain further.




correct sir. it's just more bs that keeps being circulated. seeing as everyone has their own opinion on how strong something is because of what they had to eat how much sleep they had how much they weigh and how often the shroom it's not a chemical assay. pesa must be weak as fuck cause I eat atleast 7 grams dried to reach a moderate buzz. then again my friends get wasted off of 2 grams. maybe I need to take a long break. potency is not to be measured off of personal experience. if you x amount of chicken you get y amount of protein. if you eat a amountof beef you get b amount of fat. it doesn't vary that much


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Re: dealing with variations in potency [Re: monstermitch]
    #7511441 - 10/12/07 12:40 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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monstermitch said:
Quote:

Captain Cubensis said:
If you clone a potent specimen, make a master culture, then propagate from that line, and also harvest BEFORE the veil tears, you will maximize potency.

Potency does vary from strain to strain, so experiment with several, and cultivate your favorite.




how is potency effected by whether the veil has torn or not?
I thought it only had to do with food quality...

please explain further.




correct sir. it's just more bs that keeps being circulated. seeing as everyone has their own opinion on how strong something is because of what they had to eat how much sleep they had how much they weigh and how often the shroom it's not a chemical assay. pesa must be weak as fuck cause I eat atleast 7 grams dried to reach a moderate buzz. then again my friends get wasted off of 2 grams. maybe I need to take a long break. potency is not to be measured off of personal experience. if you x amount of chicken you get y amount of protein. if you eat a amountof beef you get b amount of fat. if you eat q amount of cubes you get p amount of plisocin and r amount of psilocybin. it doesn't vary that much


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Re: dealing with variations in potency [Re: xhooliganx]
    #7513312 - 10/13/07 07:51 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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xhooliganx said:
Quote:

monstermitch said:
Quote:

Captain Cubensis said:
If you clone a potent specimen, make a master culture, then propagate from that line, and also harvest BEFORE the veil tears, you will maximize potency.

Potency does vary from strain to strain, so experiment with several, and cultivate your favorite.




how is potency effected by whether the veil has torn or not?
I thought it only had to do with food quality...

please explain further.




correct sir.  it's just more bs that keeps being circulated.  seeing as everyone has their own opinion on how strong something is because of what they had to eat how much sleep they had how much they weigh and how often the shroom it's not a chemical assay.  pesa must be weak as fuck cause I eat atleast 7 grams dried to reach a moderate buzz.  then again my friends get wasted off of 2 grams.  maybe I need to take a long break.  potency is not to be measured off of personal experience.  if you x amount of chicken you get y amount of protein.  if you eat a amountof beef you get b amount of fat.  it doesn't vary that much





I think the assumption is that when the veil starts to break is the point at which the fruit stops producing psychoactives in order to produce spores. The fruit gets bigger but does not produce psychoactives in the same proportion to its weight.

Seems true to me, but there is much more experimentation to be done  :shroomer:


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Re: dealing with variations in potency [Re: veilbreaker]
    #7513333 - 10/13/07 07:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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I think the assumption is that when the veil starts to break is the point at which the fruit stops producing psychoactives in order to produce spores. The fruit gets bigger but does not produce psychoactives in the same proportion to its weight.

Seems true to me, but there is much more experimentation to be done  :shroomer:




care to offer a better explaination than that?
sorry, but I'm not buying it.  how about citing the source of your
information please?
do you understand the life cycle of a mushroom very well?
if so, please explain it better than that.
good post to read.


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Re: dealing with variations in potency [Re: monstermitch]
    #7513372 - 10/13/07 08:09 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Mushrooms that are picked small and immature will be more potent by weight than they would be if allowed to fully mature, and that's a fact. As the cells engorge with water, there's no evidence that they increase in potency as well. The 'veil tearing' is just a signpost along the way that indicates a good time to pick. It has nothing in and of itself to do with potency.
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Re: dealing with variations in potency [Re: monstermitch]
    #7513379 - 10/13/07 08:12 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

This should be interesting....


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Re: dealing with variations in potency [Re: monstermitch]
    #7518785 - 10/15/07 09:31 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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veilbreaker said:
I think the assumption is that when the veil starts to break is the point at which the fruit stops producing psychoactives in order to produce spores. The fruit gets bigger but does not produce psychoactives in the same proportion to its weight.

Seems true to me, but there is much more experimentation to be done  :shroomer:




care to offer a better explaination than that?
sorry, but I'm not buying it.  how about citing the source of your
information please?
do you understand the life cycle of a mushroom very well?
if so, please explain it better than that.
good post to read.




If you read my post again you will see I was merely explaining the rationale behind the general consensus that it is best to pick mushrooms when the veil is tearing.  I did not claim it is a fact; it is conjecture which happens to have been supported by my own experiences.

You are welcome to do all the research you like if you are looking for a definitive answer.


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