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Mr.Kinney
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Musical influence during cultivation?
#7505954 - 10/10/07 03:48 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Has any one ever run any kind of musical influence experiments during cultivation to determine if different kinds of music will influence ether the growth of the mycelium or the resulting trip after harvest? I only ask because I listen to a lot of new age, EBM, and 80's but have friends that listen to a lot of gwar and metal when they're in my place and I don't want to be giving mixed signals just in case fungi are as receptive as plants.
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Re: Musical influence during cultivation? [Re: Mr.Kinney]
#7506033 - 10/10/07 04:09 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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i've been pondering this question for some time now.
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Re: Musical influence during cultivation? [Re: ThePyschonaut52]
#7506039 - 10/10/07 04:10 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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This is a joke, right? I'm laughing anyhow :P
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Re: Musical influence during cultivation? [Re: Mr.Kinney]
#7506060 - 10/10/07 04:16 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I very highly doubt music has any influence on fungus nothing to back that up with though
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Re: Musical influence during cultivation? [Re: mikeytro]
#7506092 - 10/10/07 04:23 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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possibly different frequencies, either high or low pitch wave length sounds, could have a slight effect, but i think that it would only affect the rate of colonization due to vibrations...but that could just be a huge load of bullshit b/c i am really high right now...:)
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Re: Musical influence during cultivation? [Re: zero cool]
#7506161 - 10/10/07 04:37 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I can see logic vibrations effecting growth when put to the extremes. But in no way would different kind of music have different effects on growth, and certainly not on your trip. It would all be placebo. Not to say placebo is something not to consider. If you can fool yourself to believe that different kinds of music while growing will give the end product a different trip they most likely will - and that's great! But it's more likely that you sneezing one time during growth will have more effect on your growth then any volume of music you have in proximity.
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Re: Musical influence during cultivation? [Re: bmy]
#7506238 - 10/10/07 04:53 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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i agree fully with bmy, but it would be sweet if you played hendrix to your mycelium while colonizing, and when you took the shrooms you got to meet jimmy! haha but i doubt it.
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Re: Musical influence during cultivation? [Re: zero cool]
#7506263 - 10/10/07 05:01 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm sure acid burn would agree too! 
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2012shaman
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Re: Musical influence during cultivation? [Re: zero cool]
#7506270 - 10/10/07 05:03 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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It works on plants, what makes you say it wouldnt work on shrooms?
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Re: Musical influence during cultivation? [Re: 2012shaman]
#7506286 - 10/10/07 05:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Can you be more specific on how it works. I would love to see some scientific evidence on this.
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Re: Musical influence during cultivation? [Re: 2012shaman]
#7506287 - 10/10/07 05:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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i would age with 2012 because it worked on some certain plants that are available in Amsterdam at coffee shops
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Re: Musical influence during cultivation? [Re: stxlacrosse022]
#7506314 - 10/10/07 05:16 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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it works on plants because the vibrations cause micro tears in a plants cellular structure and when it rebuilds these tears it becomes stronger. think of plants indoors, there is no wind or rain or anything that will harm them, therfor the stalk of the plant remains flimsy b/c it doesn't need to have a strong stalk. but if you put that same plant outside and introduced it to the elements it would prolly topple over during the first rain storm. hope that makes some kind of sense. it could possibly cause the mycelium to grow faster by causing these micro tears where new mycelium could easily grow to close the gap cause by this, but i doubt the potency would be affected.
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Re: Musical influence during cultivation? [Re: bmy]
#7506318 - 10/10/07 05:18 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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In 1973, a woman named Dorothy Retallack published a small book called The Sound of Music and Plants. Her book detailed experiments that she had been conducting at the Colorado Woman’s College in Denver using the school’s three Biotronic Control Chambers. Mrs. Retallack placed plants in each chamber and speakers through which she played sounds and particular styles of music. She watched the plants and recorded their progress daily. She was astounded at what she discovered.
Her first experiment was to simply play a constant tone. In the first of the three chambers, she played a steady tone continuously for eight hours. In the second, she played the tone for three hours intermittently, and in the third chamber, she played no tone at all. The plants in the first chamber, with the constant tone, died within fourteen days. The plants in the second chamber grew abundantly and were extremely healthy, even more so than the plants in the third chamber. This was a very interesting outcome, very similar to the results that were obtained from experiments performed by the Muzak Corporation in the early 1940s to determine the effect of "background music" on factory workers. When music was played continuously, the workers were more fatigued and less productive, when played for several hours only, several times a day, the workers were more productive, and more alert and attentive than when no music was played.For her next experiment, Mrs. Retallack used two chambers (and fresh plants). She placed radios in each chamber. In one chamber, the radio was tuned to a local rock station, and in the other the radio played a station that featured soothing "middle-of-the-road" music. Only three hours of music was played in each chamber. On the fifth day, she began noticing drastic changes. In the chamber with the soothing music, the plants were growing healthily and their stems were starting to bend towards the radio! In the rock chamber, half the plants had small leaves and had grown gangly, while the others were stunted. After two weeks, the plants in the soothing-music chamber were uniform in size, lush and green, and were leaning between 15 and 20 degrees toward the radio. The plants in the rock chamber had grown extremely tall and were drooping, the blooms had faded and the stems were bending away from the radio. On the sixteenth day, all but a few plants in the rock chamber were in the last stages of dying. In the other chamber, the plants were alive, beautiful, and growing abundantly.Mrs. Retallack’s next experiment was to create a tape of rock music by Jimi Hendrix, Vanilla Fudge, and Led Zeppelin. Again, the plants turned away from the music. Thinking maybe it was the percussion in the rock music that was causing the plants to lean away from the speakers, she performed an experiment playing a song that was performed on steel drums. The plants in this experiment leaned just slightly away from the speaker; however not as extremely as did the plants in the rock chambers. When she performed the experiment again, this time with the same song played by strings, the plants bent towards the speaker.
Next Mrs. Retallack tried another experiment again using the three chambers. In one chamber she played North Indian classical music performed by sitar and tabla, in another she played Bach organ music, and in the third, no music was played. The plants "liked" the North Indian classical music the best. In both the Bach and sitar chambers, the plants leaned toward the speakers, but he plants in the Indian music chamber leaned toward the speakers the most.
She went on to experiment with other types of music. The plants showed no reaction at all to country and western music, similarly to those in silent chambers. However, the plants "liked" the jazz that she played them. She tried an experiment using rock in one chamber, and "modern" (dischordant) classical music of negative composers Arnold Schönberg and Anton Webern in another. The plants in the rock chamber leaned 30 to 70 degrees away from the speakers and the plants in the modern classical chamber leaned 10 to 15 degrees away.
I spoke with Mrs. Retallack about her experiments a few years after her book was published, and at that time I began performing my own experiments with plants using a wood-frame and clear-plastic-covered structure that I had built in my back yard. For one month, I played three-hours-a-day of music from Arnold Schönberg’s negative opera Moses and Aaron, and for another month I played three-hours-a-day of the positive music of Palestrina. The effects were clear. The plants subjected to Schönberg died. The plants that listened to Palestrina flourished.
In these experiments, albeit basic and not fully scientific, we have the genesis of a theory of positive and negative music. What is it that causes the plants to thrive or die, to grow bending toward a source of sound or away from it?
Just google plants and music.
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Re: Musical influence during cultivation? [Re: 2012shaman]
#7506333 - 10/10/07 05:23 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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plants do not favor any one kind of music over another. it is the vibrations and different frequencies in the music that affect the plants. it makes sense that the plants subjected to a continuous tone died b/c they were not given "quiet time" to rebuild themselves. this is why the plants that were played an intermitent tone did so well.
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Re: Musical influence during cultivation? [Re: zero cool]
#7506356 - 10/10/07 05:29 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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In the rock chamber, half the plants had small leaves and had grown gangly
Sounds kind of like a lot of the hardcore rockers I know. Little skinny bastards, the lot of them.
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2012shaman
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Re: Musical influence during cultivation? [Re: Skeeblix]
#7506384 - 10/10/07 05:38 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Different kinds of music have different effects on humans,classical music has been shown to increase concentration.Another good question is why plants are more sensitive to the effects of music than humans are.
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Re: Musical influence during cultivation? [Re: 2012shaman]
#7506435 - 10/10/07 05:55 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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2012shaman said: Different kinds of music have different effects on humans,classical music has been shown to increase concentration.Another good question is why plants are more sensitive to the effects of music than humans are.
Poppycock.. entire cultures have been created around music.. thats an effect if you ask me.. Humans are VERY effected by music. Music soothes the savage beast..
As far as the theory of plants/shrooms and musi goes, it IS a frequency thing.. clasical and jazz music has a WIDE range of seperate tones< whereas rock and metal have a more constant drone. the range of tones effects the different parts of a plant due to its varying density.
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Re: Musical influence during cultivation? [Re: 2012shaman]
#7506440 - 10/10/07 05:56 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Different kinds of music have different effects on humans because we have neural networks which recognizes patterns in the auditory input. It is a complex system which fungi and plants lack. Comparing the two makes no sense. As zero cool says, it makes sense that the pressure fluctuations create micro tears in the plant tissue which is later rebuilt with stronger fabric. Kind of like a scare in human skin. However it makes no sense at all that different musical styles would in any way effect a plant differently. And the experiment you quote sounds quite unscientific if you ask me. One plant as a control group is no way near enough. And it is way more likely for the "angel of leaning for the plant" and the general well being of the plant to be genetic then effected by the style of music. To conduct an experiment on this you would have to have perfect clones set up in identical environments, a task not easily accomplished.
I can of course be totally out of track here, but the whole thing sounds a little too much "magic" and too little science in my ears. Sure it would be sweet if plants and fungi would act differently on different musical genre and even more so if they would generate different trips. But sadly everything isn't always true because you want it to be.
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Re: Musical influence during cultivation? [Re: bmy]
#7507750 - 10/11/07 02:08 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Interesting.
There are so many possible variable in those scenarios that aren't listed, it's hard to conclude much... From seed or cuttings, was there a CO2 or light source toward or away from the speakers, did they have completely identical surrounding(including food, soil, air, light etc..)
While I do believe that playing music has some effect on plants, what kind is played matters little. I've seen something about how they respond to a certain very high pitch frequency...
Has anyone seen the study involving frozen water and monks blessing or cursing the water before freezing. Praised water formed into brilliant crystals while cursed water looked pitiful in its frozen state. Very interesting read, I'll have to try and find the link.
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Mr.Kinney
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Re: Musical influence during cultivation? [Re: Agave]
#7508056 - 10/11/07 08:18 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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That would be the messages from water by Dr. Masaru Emoto; which is just as controversial because according to skeptics it was the vibrations forced upon the water by way of music or the electrical influence of the monks which caused the crystals to form the way they did. not the intent behind it. My question then becomes who's to say that the two are not connected. in the doctors lab they also taped different words to the bottles and each had a different reaction during the time of crystal formation as well.
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