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Mushroom Ban NL
#7505741 - 10/10/07 03:00 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I looks like bad news. I pray that they dont ban shrooms but i think they will do it.
It would be nice when some dutch peoples keep us informed.
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2007/10/minister_to_ban_magic_mushroom.php
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wow, horrible horrible news. and couldn't have come at a worse time... 
ive been planning a trip there since january, already have my tickets!
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they're going the easy but ineffective route, what a pity.
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"Health minister Ab Klink is preparing to ban the sale of hallucinogenic mushrooms following a string of incidents involving foreign tourists, the AD newspaper reports on Wednesday."
Leave it to foreign tourists who can't handle their shrooms to fuck it up for everybody else. I know someone who lived in Germany for 2 years who would take weekend trips to Amsterdam. She told me you can always tell who the Americans were because they would be the ones fucked up stumbling around on the streets acting like fools.
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allreadyused said: She told me you can always tell who the Americans were because they would be the ones fucked up stumbling around on the streets acting like fools.
That is how you distinguish them in any city, though.
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In the Netherlands just because a substance is illegal doesn't mean that it is difficult to get your hands on, IME. I don't really think they waste their time/resources enforcing drug laws. For instance, last year I often saw dried shrooms for sale, even though they were technically illegal.
Don't worry; you're still gonna have the time of your life. If it's your first time in town be sure to check out the Grey Area coffeeshop. Also, you can do worse than to stay at the Get Lucky Guesthouse.
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illegal is not the same as ban.
i cant believe this actually passed! well, hopefully they will still be around in the next few months.
I'll try to get more info on my trip there - maybe even some interviews with shop owners and etc.
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allreadyused said: She told me you can always tell who the Americans were because they would be the ones fucked up stumbling around on the streets acting like fools.
Mericans, always running, rarely walking.
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funny enough, it was the death of european tourists, and not americans that sparked this ban.
Edited by kotik (10/16/07 05:16 AM)
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Re: Mushroom Ban NL [Re: kotik]
#7522148 - 10/16/07 06:20 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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it's not realy the tourists fault mushrooms are getting banned. the few inicidents involving mushrooms each year are nothing compared to the shit with for example alcohol abuse. its just politics. the incidents are used as an excuse to get dutch drug laws in line with other EU countries. the current goverment are a bunch of cowards who's only interest is to save their own political hides and suck up to our bigger neighbours and uncle sam.
amsterdam police wil get alot of extra work enforcing the ban and in the end nothing really changes. except buyers will be at the mercy of unscrupulous street dealers.
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Re: Mushroom Ban NL [Re: kaal-kopje]
#7522317 - 10/16/07 08:46 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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kaal-kopje said: except buyers will be at the mercy of unscrupulous street dealers.
Silly dude, you're posting at the Shroomery. Buyers won't be at the mercy if they decide to not be buyers anymore.
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not everyone has a long enough vacation to the netherlands to start a culture from inoculation to fruiting though...
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Re: Mushroom Ban NL [Re: kotik]
#7522559 - 10/16/07 10:36 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Clearly, if it is illegal, most tourists won't be buyers.
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Are American tourists scoffed at in Amsterdam? I mean like... if you walk into a coffee shop for the first time and start asking questions.. does everyone roll their eyes at you?
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Re: Mushroom Ban NL [Re: kotik]
#7522586 - 10/16/07 10:44 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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a major dutch vendor started an initiative to save the shrooms from being banned. they've set up a site where you can sign a protest email and send it to the minister of health or other officials of the dutch government. they also give out free sporeprints so people can start growing their own. 20.000 protest emails have been sent in the last few days.
it is in dutch reddepaddo.nl
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Re: Mushroom Ban NL [Re: BrAiN]
#7522594 - 10/16/07 10:46 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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BrAiN said: Are American tourists scoffed at in Amsterdam? I mean like... if you walk into a coffee shop for the first time and start asking questions.. does everyone roll their eyes at you?
I doubt it, considering how much tourism there is.
I just asked someone who is quite familiar, and they said no one rolls their eyes at anyone really, that everyone is pretty cool.
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Prankster239 said: I looks like bad news. I pray that they dont ban shrooms but i think they will do it.
It would be nice when some dutch peoples keep us informed.
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2007/10/minister_to_ban_magic_mushroom.php
There isn't much information around about this at the moment. I'll keep you informed. I think the parliament will vote for it this week.
Sad political years in Holland for the last 5 years.
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Re: Mushroom Ban NL [Re: BrAiN]
#7522933 - 10/16/07 12:31 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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BrAiN said: Are American tourists scoffed at in Amsterdam? I mean like... if you walk into a coffee shop for the first time and start asking questions.. does everyone roll their eyes at you?
No, because there are almost only tourists in coffee shops where tourists go
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Re: Mushroom Ban NL [Re: Annom]
#7534434 - 10/19/07 07:53 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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The parliament is on recess until the 29th of October.
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Re: Mushroom Ban NL [Re: Annom]
#7628974 - 11/13/07 05:46 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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any updates? Ive searched all the news sites, and Time has a recent article, but still doesnt say if the ban is in effect yet, or when it will be.
http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1681387,00.html
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Re: Mushroom Ban NL [Re: kotik]
#7718471 - 12/05/07 04:41 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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bump for updates? I can't find info anywhere - erowid, google news, and the place I would expect at least something.. the shroomery?!?!
I am shocked that there has been little to no mention of this whatsoever on this entire site. Seems like a pretty big issue to me, but maybe I'm just seeing it differently.
Either way, I'm going to find out what's happening myself, even if I have to buy a ticket to fly over and investigate.
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Re: Mushroom Ban NL [Re: kotik]
#7718960 - 12/05/07 09:56 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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As fas as I know, they quietly let it simmer down, because they realized they weren't going to do it.
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Re: Mushroom Ban NL [Re: kotik]
#7718965 - 12/05/07 09:58 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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i heard about this somewhere possibly cnn or the nightly news. its a shame but you can't have mushrooms be legal if foreigners are coming to your country to buy them and then they end up hurting/killing themselves or other people. it is a shame but i honestly can't disagree with the decision.
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Re: Mushroom Ban NL [Re: SlashOZ]
#7719129 - 12/05/07 10:46 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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SlashOZ said: i heard about this somewhere possibly cnn or the nightly news. its a shame but you can't have mushrooms be legal if foreigners are coming to your country to buy them and then they end up hurting/killing themselves or other people. it is a shame but i honestly can't disagree with the decision.
More foreigners go into other countries and die from aspirin than mushrooms. Well, more people die in general from aspirin than mushrooms, anyways.
So.... you might want to put everything in perspective before you agree with a government needlessly controlling your life.
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its not that they are overdosing its that they are doing stupid things like jumping off bridges, out of windows etc etc in public. its kind of like drinking and driving laws.
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Re: Mushroom Ban NL [Re: SlashOZ]
#7719724 - 12/05/07 01:46 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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SlashOZ said: its not that they are overdosing its that they are doing stupid things like jumping off bridges, out of windows etc etc in public. its kind of like drinking and driving laws.
Yes, but it isn't like prohibition of alcohol, and that is the point.
The mayor had previously proposed a plan that would place regulations on mushrooms, such that there would be a three-day waiting period. That, of course, would work to alleviate concerns of unfortunate abuse of mushrooms, coupled with the fact that educational reference material about consuming mushroom would be provided in the meantime. There would be an age requirement, to discourage usage by underage tourists, which the waiting period would also work against.
They sell 500,000 doses of mushrooms in a year, that kind of money speaks.
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Re: Mushroom Ban NL [Re: SlashOZ]
#7719955 - 12/05/07 02:41 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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SlashOZ said: its not that they are overdosing its that they are doing stupid things like jumping off bridges, out of windows etc etc in public. its kind of like drinking and driving laws.
actually, as far as i know, the girl (that was underage anyways) was never confirmed to have been on mushrooms. It was a rumor, that was never verified - yet legislation was passed anyways.
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Re: Mushroom Ban NL [Re: kotik]
#7720244 - 12/05/07 03:46 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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what should they do to resolve the problem? mandate that everyone have a trip sitter? unless that happened then there will continue to be cases of people accidentally killing themselves while they are tripping balls. i don't know if you have ever tripped balls but you can't do anything and you can barely function at all.
the reality of the matter is that most people take mushrooms to get "F***ed up" and not for a spiritual reason. many people still take mushrooms without doing much research beforehand. selling an incredibly powerful drug to people who do not know what to expect especially if they are vacation to a foreign country just sounds like a bad idea doesn't it? now, granted, if everyone visited the shroomery before they tried mushrooms this kind of stuff would not be a problem.
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Re: Mushroom Ban NL [Re: SlashOZ]
#7720537 - 12/05/07 04:44 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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what problem? there are far more people hospitalized due to alcohol than any other substance in the amsterdam (and I would assume the world).
"selling an incredibly powerful drug to people who do not know what to expect especially if they are vacation to a foreign country just sounds like a bad idea doesn't it? "
uhh, so is getting drunk in a foreign country.
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Re: Mushroom Ban NL [Re: kotik]
#7721658 - 12/05/07 08:11 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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So, they arent going to ban Mushrooms? If so they are brilliant.
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Re: Mushroom Ban NL [Re: newlife]
#7721910 - 12/05/07 09:02 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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ill be sure to post an update in a couple weeks.
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Re: Mushroom Ban NL [Re: kotik]
#7722189 - 12/05/07 10:18 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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actually in my experience getting drunk and stoned in a foreign country is pretty fun. i might have even of tripped if i could have got my hands on something. however i would of had someone with me so even if i was freaking out the entire 8-10 hours i wouldn't kill myself.
also dont' take my arguments a pro alcohol arguments. besides tobacco alcohol should be illegal instead of weed and even hallucinogens in the U.S. imo. however any legalization of hallucinogenic drugs should be heavily regulated and monitored to keep people from hurting themselves on accident. possibly getting a prescription for their use after you pass a psych test or something. honestly i don't know but free access to such heavy drugs is not a good thing, ie alcohol and tobacco.
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fireworks_god said: As fas as I know, they quietly let it simmer down, because they realized they weren't going to do it.
Let's hope so, but I don't think that will happen. The wrong ppl are in power in Holland you see. Anyway, here's an update:
http://www.procare.nl/index.php?article_id=40
So shrooms will remain legal in Holland for a couple of months. Let's hope some politicians change their mind, I don't consider this likely though.
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Re: Mushroom Ban NL [Re: Nebula]
#7732414 - 12/08/07 09:48 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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thanks for the update! This is good news (well, within context that is)
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