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OfflineVisionsToReality
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Is my fishtank heater too weak?
    #7505437 - 10/10/07 01:43 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

It's 50 watts and has been in 3 inches of water in a sterilite tub for going 12 hours. The water isn't even warm really. It has no thermostat but says it'll bring the water to 80 degrees. It cost 15 bucks at walmart, so Id think the damn thing should work...do I have to wait longer?


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Re: Is my fish tank heater too weak? [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7505451 - 10/10/07 01:46 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

IMHO, that tek is not great.

Try a space heater to keep an entire room at 75-80, easy, no hassle, maybe more expensive, but my foaf uses one he bought for $70, and it has lasted for years and years!


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Re: Is my fish tank heater too weak? [Re: Captain Cubensis]
    #7505477 - 10/10/07 01:52 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah I can't do that method so it's either the fishtank heater or something other than what you suggested. Why do you think that tek isn't good? I thought it was pretty great in terms of cheapness/effectiveness/space...aside from having a tub with a cord comin out of it...and aside from mishaps..such as the water NOT HEATING!!! =)

Maybe I have too much water, although it says 2-15 gallons....so weird how it's not doing much..


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Re: Is my fish tank heater too weak? [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7505489 - 10/10/07 01:55 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Well, it's electricity and water first off, minor consideration perhaps, but it does make your set-up at least slightly more dangerous, if not more heavy.

How about a heating pad? Eliminates the need for water?


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Re: Is my fish tank heater too weak? [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7505496 - 10/10/07 01:56 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I had that same heater from wal-mart.. take it back. Go to petsmart and get one of the kind that you can adjust and is also fully submersible. I got one on sale for $10. Look for the one with the knob on the top of it, I think it's 25 watts and you can adjust the heat.. fully submersible. It works good. You can keep it between 80-82.


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Re: Is my fishtank heater too weak? [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7505508 - 10/10/07 01:58 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I use a 50w heater, works very well. Not much temprature fluctuation, and fits 24 jars. My heater was a little more expensive (30$) but my setup consists of 2 orange paint buckets from H'depot. Basically a TiT. I cover it with a sleeping bag, keeps the heat in. Ok cant figure out how to upload pic off it, but if you want one let me know.


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Re: Is my fishtank heater too weak? [Re: NationofStrangers]
    #7505517 - 10/10/07 02:00 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Is my fishtank heater too weak? [Re: NationofStrangers]
    #7505541 - 10/10/07 02:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Hmm yeah I am considering just takin it back and gettin a thermostat. I emptied half the water and I'll give it 1 more try.

This one is submersible so that's good. Yes, electricity+water....I guess that places my trust in the design of the submersible water heater...

Heating pad..maybe...last I checked they were at least 30 bucks for a small one...Considering I'm in a broke phase right now...that can't happen. But it's a good idea.

The only thing with the heating pad I don't like is that it would rely on conducting heat through air rather than heat through water. I would think water would work better, but who knows..

Just wondering for those of you who have experience with these heaters...do they take pretty long to heat up water?


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Re: Is my fishtank heater too weak? [Re: NationofStrangers]
    #7505553 - 10/10/07 02:09 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I would be careful putting your setting at 80+ degrees. If the water gets that temp around your tub and your jars start colonizing the temp is going to rise to at least 92. I know this from personal experience. Set the temp a bit lower like 70 and the inside of the tub will be a nice 80-84 degrees.


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Re: Is my fishtank heater too weak? [Re: Walter1496211]
    #7505586 - 10/10/07 02:20 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

My apartment is about 70 or so degrees most of the time, can i just put the jars in the closet? if the temp is going to raise about 10 degrees, i wouldn't have thought i would need a heater. Qué no?

Sorry to temporarily jack the thread.


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Re: Is my fishtank heater too weak? [Re: buggas]
    #7505594 - 10/10/07 02:22 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

YES, your apartment is fine, room temp is all you need!


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Re: Is my fishtank heater too weak? [Re: buggas]
    #7505610 - 10/10/07 02:25 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I think they should be alright it will take a bit longer though since the surounding air is a bit colder. A lot of people say that a room temp is perfect and is fine ie Rogger Rabbit. Others say that having your jars at 80-84 is perfect. The concept of the 10 degree change is if your tub is sealed hot air is trapped in there and there is an organic proccess going on so it creates a lot of heat thats why the temp raises. This would not happen so much if your jars were just sitting out because they are not confined in a tub surrounded by hot water.


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Re: Is my fish tank heater too weak? [Re: Walter1496211]
    #7505621 - 10/10/07 02:29 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

It's not that crucial, if you are patient.

Like my foaf says, if you knock-up jars every week, you will soon be birthing jars every week, regardless of how long it actually takes each jar to colonize.

Most heater teks increase risk, electricity usage, timers, and overall work, since you have to constantly check the temps to be careful.

An ambient room temp requires none of this risk or extra work.

My foaf has a good space heater and room thermometer, thats all he needs, if it gets to 80 in the room, it's too hot, 68 is too cool.

But like I said, some strains will colonize and fruit at 60 degrees.


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Re: Is my fish tank heater too weak? [Re: Captain Cubensis]
    #7505634 - 10/10/07 02:33 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for all the valuable input...gonna definitely take it all into consideration. Makes me not sure what I wanna do just yet in terms of incubation.....hmmm


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Re: Is my fish tank heater too weak? [Re: Captain Cubensis]
    #7505636 - 10/10/07 02:33 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I agree if your a beginer I would just be patient. It is way to easy to end up with your tub roasting at a solid 90 degrees you really have to watch it. And yes good point it is less work and less energy wasted.


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Re: Is my fish tank heater too weak? [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7505638 - 10/10/07 02:34 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

PS: what's a foaf? lol. Reminds me of loaf.


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Re: Is my fish tank heater too weak? [Re: Walter1496211]
    #7505649 - 10/10/07 02:36 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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I agree if your a beginer I would just be patient. It is way to easy to end up with your tub roasting at a solid 90 degrees you really have to watch it. And yes good point it is less work and less energy wasted.




Yeah I don't like the idea of running electricity all day long. That gets me. I'm starting to lean towards the no-heat method, here....

A week more of incubation kinda sucks, not only because you have to wait longer, but because it means contamination could set in more easily...which I suppose doesn't matter if you do what you do in a clean way....and if you just keep knocking up week by week...!


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Re: Is my fish tank heater too weak? [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7505657 - 10/10/07 02:38 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

A foaf is a friend of a friend, since I myself don't know anything about mycology because I don't even like mushies...lol

Like my foaf said, knock them up every week, birth them every week=continuous supply, with no heaters.


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Re: Is my fish tank heater too weak? [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7506099 - 10/10/07 04:25 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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VisionsToReality said:
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Walter1496211 said:
I agree if your a beginer I would just be patient. It is way to easy to end up with your tub roasting at a solid 90 degrees you really have to watch it. And yes good point it is less work and less energy wasted.




Yeah I don't like the idea of running electricity all day long. That gets me. I'm starting to lean towards the no-heat method, here....

A week more of incubation kinda sucks, not only because you have to wait longer, but because it means contamination could set in more easily...which I suppose doesn't matter if you do what you do in a clean way....and if you just keep knocking up week by week...!




A tub-in-tub incubator is a nice thing to have. It really does speed it up. 80-82 is ideal... because there is some internal heat produced by the mycellium which raises the internal temperatures of the jars by like 4 - 6 degrees or so. You don't want the internal temperature of the substrate to exceed 86. I have a tub-in-tub that stays mostly at 82 and the growth is very quick. Check petsmart for good aquarium heaters that you can adjust..


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Re: Is my fish tank heater too weak? [Re: Captain Cubensis]
    #7506181 - 10/10/07 04:42 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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VisionsToReality said:
Maybe I have too much water, although it says 2-15 gallons....so weird how it's not doing much..



I have a few thoughts here ...

It's possible that the heater is working and you can't tell (remember that room temperature water feels colder than room temperature air, because both are lower than your body temperature and water transfers better). Most people shower in 95+ degree (Fahrenheit, of course) water. Don't measure by feel, use a thermometer. You could probably measure the inside of the incubator (where the jars go) if you don't have a submersible thermometer.

It's also possible that you don't have enough water. The heater heats the water close to it and convection should move that heated water around, so that the entire tank gets heated to some degree, but the heater shuts off as soon as it thinks its goal has been accomplished. If the water is not moving around enough, it might fool the heater into thinking it's done when it's not. It could also be that the heat is dissipating rapidly. The water acts like a battery, storing heat and releasing it slowly, the heater charges that battery but stops when it reaches a full charge (which is whatever heat level the heater is set for). The capacity of that battery is the amount of water you heat. The heater has some minimum threshold temperature at which it will engage (otherwise it would run all the time). Basically, the heater heats the water to 80, the water cool (to 77 or something) and the heater kicks on and repeats the cycle.


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Yeah I don't like the idea of running electricity all day long. That gets me. I'm starting to lean towards the no-heat method, here....



Generally, an aquarium heater (like a space heater) shuts off when the desired temperature is reached, so the amount of electricity wasted is (or should be) negligible.


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Captain Cubensis said:
Well, it's electricity and water first off, minor consideration perhaps, but it does make your set-up at least slightly more dangerous, if not more heavy.

How about a heating pad? Eliminates the need for water?



That it does, when compared to open-air incubation. A heating pad or space heater, however, are far more likely to cause a fire than an aquarium heater, in my humble opinion, especially if you put the aquarium heater on a breaker or fuse so that it turns off if there's an electrical short.


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Re: Is my fish tank heater too weak? [Re: anomaly420]
    #7506221 - 10/10/07 04:49 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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anomaly420 said:
A tub-in-tub incubator is a nice thing to have. It really does speed it up. 80-82 is ideal... because there is some internal heat produced by the mycellium which raises the internal temperatures of the jars by like 4 - 6 degrees or so. You don't want the internal temperature of the substrate to exceed 86. I have a tub-in-tub that stays mostly at 82 and the growth is very quick. Check petsmart for good aquarium heaters that you can adjust..



I agree that colonization in the ideal temperature range is better, under ideal circumstances. However, RR and the other members of the anti-incubator crowd have a point ... it adds an unneeded level of complexity to many cultivations and requires careful monitoring for the correct temperature.

I'd say, if your room's temperature is reliably at or above about 70, you might want to consider going without the incubator to keep your life that much simpler.


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Re: Is my fish tank heater too weak? [Re: NexusOne]
    #7506725 - 10/10/07 07:20 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

This is a awesome discussion, not that the other ones of the same nature are not.

We've covered incubation temps, but what about fruiting temps? They have to be higher, right? Can you just get by, by raising the humidity (i.e. in a FC)?

I'm kind of impatient. My cat is meowing for some shroomies for the holidays.

She was thinking of using the 'heat bomb' tek, here, to get that temp a bit higher in the FC. Especially because it's been said that cooler air doesn't hold humidity as well. Is this true?


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Re: Is my fish tank heater too weak? [Re: buggas]
    #7506777 - 10/10/07 07:37 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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buggas said:
We've covered incubation temps, but what about fruiting temps? They have to be higher, right? Can you just get by, by raising the humidity (i.e. in a FC)?



My understanding is that fruiting temperatures (typically 75ish) should be below incubating temperatures (80ish). Assuming that the popular wisdom is true and the perfect fruiting temperature is 74-76, then it should be only slightly above room temperature, and you're probably fine fruiting without a heat source. I have heard of people placing their terrarium inside their incubator to warm it up (obviously only necessary if your environment is not well heated to begin with).

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buggas said:
She was thinking of using the 'heat bomb' tek, here, to get that temp a bit higher in the FC. Especially because it's been said that cooler air doesn't hold humidity as well. Is this true?



Absolutely. Warm air holds a lot more humidity than cold air does, but anything above room temperature is not necessary (and could actually have a negative effect on your growth, for all I know).


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Re: Is my fish tank heater too weak? [Re: NexusOne]
    #7584411 - 11/01/07 03:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I put an aqua heater in my chamber/incubator and the difference was insane. I had a colony of myc that went from 15% colonization to 85% overnight because of the heater.

Also, some say heat pads get too hot and don't have a proper thermostat to regulate.

Just get an aqua heater and make a heat bomb. It will work in your incubator or FC. It's like a small portable thermostat controlled heater that fits in a shoe box.


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Re: Is my fish tank heater too weak? [Re: buggas]
    #7584435 - 11/01/07 03:19 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

the heater should say how much water it can heat.


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